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Form Form 186 issue (notary public)

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I want to ask about form 186.

If I am a away from my collage country they said that form 186 need to be signed by a notary public so how the ECFMG knows that I live in a another country (away from my collage) and my collage they usually don't look who gives the paper and don't ask to see me to be sure that the same person is the same one in the picture so can I skip the notary public and print form 186 that don't need notary public signature ? because how they will know I am outside my country?

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There's no Form 186 without Notary Public, All forms 186 has to be signed by Notary Public, some have additional signature needed by Med School Official and some do not have.

It doesn't matter whether you are inside or outside your country, you have to sign form 186 in front of a notary public, so that the ECFMG can hold you accountable for what you are saying, your name, date of graduation, ...etc so that later on if problems arise they can catch you and say, you said that this is your name, this is your picture, this is your signature ..etc

Also, you cannot choose which Form you "like" to sign. The ECFMG will give you a form "online PDF download" to sign and you have to sign that form itself, you cannot choose and pick.
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thanks aloooooooot
but i hear there is 2 types (A AND B) SO a cording to u ... the ecfmg will send me one form acording to my case the form must be signed by notary public and collage official
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If your school is not participating in EMSWP and your credentials have not been "primary-source" verified, your Form 186 will contain two signatures spaces, one for a notary public and the other for a medical school official.

Once you finish the online-part of ECFMG application, you will presented with that form.

You have to sign it in front of notary public, send it to medical school for medical school official for signature and then your medical school should send it back to the ECFMG (not you).
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i have another question if i put an eligibility (april. may .june) and i send my paper to my collage but the process took longer time than eligibility 3 months does that mean i can expand it to another 3 months until the paper complete and allow me to have exam or i cant until my paper complete ??? iam really afraid
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If they give you eligibility period then you can extend it without the need for verification and you won't have a problem.

The problem is that they might not give you an eligibility period to begin with, before verifying your status from your college according to the new rules.
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but when i had started to register for the exam
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Item 2. Eligibility Period
Select an eligibility period for Step 2 CK from the list below.
2011 Eligibility Periods
Before applying for an eligibility period in 2011, you must have read the ECFMG 2011 Information
Booklet and the USMLE 2011 Bulletin of Information. If the processing of your application is not
completed in time to assign the eligibility period you select, you will be assigned to the next available
eligibility period, based on the date your application is processed. If the next eligibility period extends
into 2012 and you test in 2012, you must become familiar with and will be subject to the policies and
procedures detailed in the ECFMG 2012 Information Booklet and USMLE 2012 Bulletin of Information.
Eligibility Period
November 01, 2010 - January 31, 2011
December 01, 2010 - February 28, 2011
January 01, 2011 - March 31, 2011
February 01, 2011 - April 30, 2011
March 01, 2011 - May 31, 2011
April 01, 2011 - June 30, 2011
May 01, 2011 - July 31, 2011
June 01, 2011 - August 31, 2011
July 01, 2011 - September 30, 2011
August 01, 2011 - October 31, 2011
September 01, 2011 - November 30, 2011
So I must choose Eligibility Period
and is that means if my paper didn't complete in the time I've choose they will assigned to the next available eligibility period, based on the date my application is processed?
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but when i had started to register for the exam

So I must choose Eligibility Period
and is that means if my paper didn't complete in the time I've choose they will assigned to the next available eligibility period, based on the date my application is processed?
Yes you must choose an eligibility period but if they don't accept it (your credentials verification) they won't send you a scheduling permit which means you don't get that eligibility period and if your credential verification took time beyond your intended eligibility period they'll ask you to reapply again afterwords when your credentials are verified.
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Thank you, Dr. StepTaker for such a clear explanation! All the best!
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FORM 186 - CERTIFICATION OF IDENTIFICATON FORM - MEDICAL SCHOOL OFFICIAL


USMLE®/ECFMG® ID Number:
Reference Code:
Name:
Date of Birth:
Medical School:
Attendance Dates:
Graduation Date:
Degree Date:
Certifying official must sign below
________________________________________
When completed and submitted to ECFMG, this Certification of Identification Form (Form 186) will become a part of your ECFMG record and will be used to identify you when you submit an application to ECFMG for a USMLE Step or Step Component within five years from the date this form is evaluated and accepted by ECFMG.

Sign this Form 186 in the presence of an authorized official of your medical school. Certification of Identification Forms must be sent to ECFMG directly from the office of the official who witnesses the applicant’s signature. All information on an application and on the Certification of Identification Form is subject to verification and acceptance by the Educational Commission for Foreign Medical Graduates.
________________________________________
I certify that I am the individual named above, am represented in the attached photograph(s), the photograph(s) were taken within 6 months of the date of this Certification of Identification Form and that the signature below is my signature.
I request and authorize every person, medical school, university, hospital, government agency, or other entity to release information to ECFMG bearing on the content of my application or any other document submitted to ECFMG including, but not limited to, records, diplomas, transcripts, and other documents concerning my identity, citizenship or immigration status, educational, academic or professional history and status, or enrollment. I hereby authorize ECFMG to transmit any information in its possession, or that may otherwise become available to ECFMG, bearing on the content of my application or any other document submitted to ECFMG, including, but not limited to, records, diplomas, transcripts, and other documents concerning my identity, citizenship or immigration status, educational, academic or professional history and status, or enrollment, to any federal, state, or local governmental department or agency, to any hospital or to any other organization or individual who, in the judgment of ECFMG, has a legitimate interest in such information. For further information regarding ECFMG's data collection and privacy practices, please refer to our privacy policy available on the ECFMG website at www.ecfmg.org/annc/privacy.html.

Signature of Applicant (in Latin Characters) X_________________________________________________ _______

Date: _______________ (day/month/year)

________________________________________
Certification by Medical School Official:
I hereby certify that the photograph, signature and information entered in all parts of this form, including medical school, attendance dates, and graduation and degree dates, accurately apply to the individual named above and that this individual is a graduate of the institution indicated below.
Signature of Medical School Official (in Latin Characters) X______________________________________________
(Signature must match exactly the signature on record with ECFMG)

Date: _______________ (day/month/year)
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________
Print Name (in Latin Characters with English translation, where applicable)

__________________________________________________ __________________________________________
Official Title (in Latin Characters with English translation, where applicable)

________________________________________
Institution
Mail To: IWA ECFMG 3624 Market Street, 4th Floor, Philadelphia, PA 19104-2685 USA
Form 186 - Type A, Rev. Sep 2010


Yes. I have printed this Certification of Identification Form.
this is form 186 of a friend of mine who live in usa and graduate from my collage i copy it and there is in left upper of the form a place for photograph and stamp or seal of medical school must cover part of the photo and the form and below the photograph they write (Certifying official must sign below) does they mean notary public sign by (Certifying official must sign below) or what??????
or this form doesn't contain notary public seal or sign by the way my school is not participating in EMSWP ( Baghdad university /collage of medicine ) SO the other form type b as i think that contain notary public and collage official sign ?????.
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this is form 186 of a friend of mine who live in usa and graduate from my collage i copy it and there is in left upper of the form a place for photograph and stamp or seal of medical school must cover part of the photo and the form and below the photograph they write (Certifying official must sign below) does they mean notary public sign by (Certifying official must sign below) or what??????
or this form doesn't contain notary public seal or sign by the way my school is not participating in EMSWP ( Baghdad university /collage of medicine ) SO the other form type b as i think that contain notary public and collage official sign ?????.
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This is not the form that contains the Notary Public Signature. You will get a different form, that has both Notary Public and Med School Official Signature if your school does not participate in EMSWP and you have not been verified before.
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well i have another question
after i sign form 186 by notary public and since i am in another country from my collage so i must send it via DHL to a friend who will take the paper to my collage or i can send it via email the papers( form 168 an other papers) and he can print it and take it my collage???
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well i have another question
after i sign form 186 by notary public and since i am in another country from my collage so i must send it via DHL to a friend who will take the paper to my collage or i can send it via email the papers( form 168 an other papers) and he can print it and take it my collage???
Form 186 has your photograph and should be signed and stamped by you and by the notary public and should be sent in it's original physical paper to your college, you can't scan it and email it, it will reach there as a copy and the ECFMG will definitely reject it.
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today i pay for step 2ck and iget form 186 there was 2 types

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You are a graduate of a medical school that does not participate in the ECFMG Medical School Web
Portal (EMSWP) (or the medical school information you provided in Item 18 is not sufficient for ECFMG
to determine if you are a graduate of a medical school that participates in EMSWP), and you do not
have a valid Certification of Identification Form (Form 186) on file with ECFMG. Therefore, you must
complete a Certification of Identification Form (Form 186).
Because your medical school does not participate in EMSWP, you are able to complete either a
"Certification of Identification Form (Form 186) - Certification by Medical School Official" or a
"Certification of Identification Form (Form 186) - Certification by Notary Public and Medical School
Official."
The on-line part of your application will be transmitted to ECFMG only when you click on one of the
links to proceed to the Certification of Identification Form (Form 186).
and there was 2 choices and i choose (Certification of Identification Form (Form 186:Certification by Notary Public and Medical School
Official)

Quote:
You must click on one of the links below to access and print your Certification of Identification Form

(Form 186). Use the link that lists the official(s) who will sign your Form 186.

Certification of Identification Form (Form 186) -
Certification by Medical School Official

Certification of Identification Form (Form 186) -
Certification by Notary Public and Medical School
Official

so because i live in another country away from my collage and i cant back to my collage country means it must be sign by notary public am i right??

i have question about the form 186

and this is the form 186 that i print

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FORM 186 - CERTIFICATION OF IDENTIFICATION FORM - NOTARY PUBLIC AND MEDICAL SCHOOL OFFICIAL
PART A. TO BE COMPLETED IN THE PRESENCE OF A CONSULAR OFFICIAL, FIRST CLASS
MAGISTRATE, NOTARY PUBLIC OR COMMISSIONER OF OATHS
USMLE®/ECFMG® ID Number:
Reference Code:
Name:
Date of Birth:
Medical School:
Attendance Dates:
Graduation Date:
Degree Date:
Certifying official must sign below
When completed and submitted to ECFMG, this Certification of Identification Form (Form 186) will become part of your ECFMG record and will be used to identify you when you
submit an application to ECFMG for a USMLE Step or Step Component within five years from the date this form is evaluated and accepted by ECFMG.
Sign this Form 186 in the presence of a Consular Official, First Class Magistrate, Notary Public, or Commissioner of Oaths. All information on an application and on the
Certification of Identification Form is subject to verification and acceptance by the Educational Commission for Foreign Medical Graduates.
I certify that I am the individual named above, am represented in the attached photograph(s), the photograph(s) were taken within 6 months of the date of this Certification of
Identification Form and that the signature below is my signature.
I request and authorize every person, medical school, university, hospital, government agency, or other entity to release information to ECFMG bearing on the content of my
application or any other document submitted to ECFMG including, but not limited to, records, diplomas, transcripts, and other documents concerning my identity, citizenship or
immigration status, educational, academic or professional history and status, or enrollment. I hereby authorize ECFMG to transmit any information in its possession, or that may
otherwise become available to ECFMG, bearing on the content of my application or any other document submitted to ECFMG, including, but not limited to, records, diplomas,
transcripts, and other documents concerning my identity, citizenship or immigration status, educational, academic or professional history and status, or enrollment, to any federal,
state, or local governmental department or agency, to any hospital or to any other organization or individual who, in the judgment of ECFMG, has a legitimate interest in such
information. For further information regarding ECFMG's data collection and privacy practices, please refer to our privacy policy available on the ECFMG website at
www.ecfmg.org/annc/privacy.html.
Signature of Applicant (in Latin Characters) X______________________________ Date: _______________ (day/month/year)
CERTIFICATION BY OFFICIAL IDENTIFICATION:
I certify that on the date set forth below the individual named above did appear personally before me and that I did identify this applicant by: (a) comparing his/her physical appearance
with the photograph on the identifying document presented by the applicant and with the photograph affixed hereto, and (b) by comparing the applicant's signature made in my
presence on this form with the signature on his/her identifying document. The statements in this document are subscribed and sworn to before me by the applicant on this _________
day, of the month of _______________, in the year _____________.
X_________________________________________________ ___________________________________________
Signature of Consular Official, First Class Magistrate, Notary Public, or Commissioner of Oaths (in Latin Characters)
________________________________________
Title (with English translation, if not in English)
PART B. TO BE COMPLETED BY MEDICAL SCHOOL OFFICIAL
I hereby certify that the photograph, signature and information entered in all parts of this form, including medical school, attendance dates, and graduation and degree dates,
accurately apply to the individual named above and that this individual is a graduate of the institution indicated below.
Signature of Medical School Official (in Latin Characters) X______________________________________________
(Signature must match exactly the signature on record with ECFMG)
Date: _______________ (day/month/year)
__________________________________________________ _____________________________________
Print Name (in Latin Characters with English translation, where applicable)
__________________________________________________ _____________________________________
Official Title (in Latin Characters with English translation, where applicable)
__________________________________________________ _____________________________________
Institution
THIS FORM MUST BE SENT TO ECFMG DIRECTLY FROM THE OFFICE OF THE MEDICAL SCHOOL OFFICIAL WHO
COMPLETES PART B.
Mail To: IWA ECFMG 3624 Market Street, 4th Floor, Philadelphia, PA 19104-2685 USA
Form 186 - Type C, Rev. Sep 2010
Yes. I have printed this Certif ication of Identif ication Form.
25/01/2011 ECFMG On-line Application
so (
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Signature of Consular Official, First Class Magistrate, Notary Public, or Commissioner of Oaths (in Latin Characters)
________________________________________
Title (with English translation, if not in English)
that means i need only signature of notary public not his seal am i right??
and there is no space for seal
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the notary public should sign where it says signature and should put his seal/stamp where it's says title.

Also check the photograph area and whether they mentioned that a seal should cover part of it and see if that is for med school official or for notary public.
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well in the area of photo they mention (seal of official must cover part of the photo) one circle on picture area what official they mean???? and Certifying official must sign below the picture ????? who they mean??


u mention in notary public area ( seal/stamp where it's says title.) but there is no circle for seal only line ____________________ like this so where the seal cover the area
and in the area of (TO BE COMPLETED BY MEDICAL SCHOOL OFFICIAL)
there is circle written in it (affix medical seal here) sooooooooo?????
the seal of official on the photo for who they mean????????
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Notary public seals are usually rectangular (not circular) at least this is the case here in USA. So they'll put their stamp above that line you mentioned. The notary public person himself will tell you that.

As for the photograph seal, I really don't know who should seal it. I think you should call the ECFMG and ask them about that and let me know what they told you.
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today idid my notary public part in usa embassy
in part A to be completed in presense of consular official ,first class magistrate,notary public
he put his seal on my picture and part of the form but he didnt sign below picture
and sign in area of signature and in the area of title he put his stamp ( his name as vice consul )
and print a copy of my passport in a paper and put a stamp of usa embassy and the stamp that contain his name as vice council in the paper that contain my passport and clip it with form 186
so i will send FORM 186 with the paper that clips to it to my college and my dean will complete part B and put his affix in circle of part B( AFFIX MEDICAL SCHOOL SEAL HER)
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If your school is not participating in EMSWP and your credentials have not been "primary-source" verified, your Form 186 will contain two signatures spaces, one for a notary public and the other for a medical school official.

Once you finish the online-part of ECFMG application, you will presented with that form.

You have to sign it in front of notary public, send it to medical school for medical school official for signature and then your medical school should send it back to the ECFMG (not you).
Dear StepTaker, could you please explain, what means credentials is the primary source of verification?

What should I do to choese this option?

As I understood, i don`t need form 186, when my credentials is the primary source of verification?

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Dear StepTaker, could you please explain, what means credentials is the primary source of verification?

What should I do to choese this option?

As I understood, i don`t need form 186, when my credentials is the primary source of verification?

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Primary source of verification means your school verify your credentials directly with the ECFMG, not through any secondary means.

In your OASIS account, if you see that your "certificate of identification" is not yet verified, and your medical college does not participate in the EMSWP, then when you apply (pay the fees), they'll present you Form 186 which includes two sections, one for notary public and another for the medical school official.
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Hi Guys,

I graduated from Kursk State Medical University 7 years ago. Now only trying my luck with USMLE. I don't live in Russia, unfortunately..Does anyone know who should sign form 186 from this particular uni ( in case anyone reading this is or was a KSMU student and just did his/her application recently).
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Hi Guys,

I graduated from Kursk State Medical University 7 years ago. Now only trying my luck with USMLE. I don't live in Russia, unfortunately..Does anyone know who should sign form 186 from this particular uni ( in case anyone reading this is or was a KSMU student and just did his/her application recently).
Many thanks, your feedback will be appreciated..

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Once you finished your Online Application, Form 186 will generate but prior to it there will be an option, such as Since your college is EMSWP verified you can directly go with option B or choose A based on your current location.

Once Form 186 will generate on bottom right corner there will be written Form 186- Type B. Unless your documents will be send by your college officials than only go with Type A.
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Dear all,

I´ve just completed my online application for Step 1 and got confirmation e.mail that my online appl. has been received. Now "Form 186" must be signed. I see people previously discussed enough about it, but still confused, if it must be signed by notary public or only by medical school official. HOW I CAN DEFINE IT? Well, someone says, if you medical school doesnt participate in EMSWP than "notary public" ; another says with notary public, if you are outside of your medical school country....

By the way, I graduated from Hannover Medical School in Germany and I am still in Germany. My online application reports:
Because your medical school does not participate in EMSWP Status Verification program, you are able to complete either a "Certification of Identification Form (Form 186) - Certification by Medical School Official" or a "Certification of Identification Form (Form 186) - Certification by Notary Public and Medical School Official."

PLEASE DO LET ME KNOW;WHICH ONE I HAVE TO COMPLETE/PRINT?

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