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Hey everyone,

I have reading the info on forums and AAMC website and was a bit confused on how to ask and submit LoRs.

1) Can I (medical student) upload LoRs that are written and signed by the attending?
2) If not should I ask them for a letter immediately after my rotation in their field or is it better to ask when I submit my applications? (I am currently 3rd year student and will by applying next year).


I would appreciate if someone could help me understand this process.

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Hey everyone,

I have reading the info on forums and AAMC website and was a bit confused on how to ask and submit LoRs.

1) Can I (medical student) upload LoRs that are written and signed by the attending?
2) If not should I ask them for a letter immediately after my rotation in their field or is it better to ask when I submit my applications? (I am currently 3rd year student and will by applying next year).


I would appreciate if someone could help me understand this process.

Thanks
Basically there are two kinds of LoRs, waived (where you will not see the content of the letter and the attending will upload the letter on your behalf) or unwaived (where you will take the letter from the attending and will upload it by yourself).

Generally, unwaived LoRs especially from US faculty are considered red flags by program directors. Unwaived letters imply that you do not trust the attending enough to write a compelling and positive LoR in your support, therefore such letters are limited in usefulness and maybe considered biased by PDs (attendings would only write good about your performance being very generic rather than specific if you do not waive your right to see the letter).

Ask for a letter at the end of your rotation. More importantly ask if they are willing to author a STRONG LoR on your behalf. Waive your right to see the letter, discuss your goals and when you would be applying for residency, keep in touch with them and ask them to upload the letter when you start the residency application process.

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Ask for a letter at the end of your rotation. More importantly ask if they are willing to author a STRONG LoR on your behalf. Waive your right to see the letter, discuss your goals and when you would be applying for residency, keep in touch with them and ask them to upload the letter when you start the residency application process.
Thank you so much for your response.You mentioned to ask for the letter at the end of the rotation. Is that for an unwaived letter? Because for a waived letter he would have to write it at the end of my clinical years (next year) and when I am about to apply for programs right?
I don't have a problem with waived letters I was just worried he would forget about me (or worse refuse to write one) in a year time when I am about to apply for a program.
Really appreciate your time in helping me.


EDIT: I think you responded to my questions in you edit. THANK YOU VERY MUCH
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Thank you so much for your response.You mentioned to ask for the letter at the end of the rotation. Is that for an unwaived letter? Because for a waived letter he would have to write it at the end of my clinical years (next year) and when I am about to apply for programs right?
I don't have a problem with waived letters I was just worried he would forget about me (or worse refuse to write one) in a year time when I am about to apply for a program.
Really appreciate your time in helping me.
No. I meant ask for waived letter at the end of your rotation, request him to write the letter now while your performance is still fresh in his mind, keep in touch with him and ask him to upload the letter next year.
I am afraid that is the problem that almost everyone faces with waived letters. Most people however will write the letter if they have agreed in the first place, though you might have to keep reminding them when the time comes next year to upload the letter as they are really busy folks.
Rule of thumb is not to take uwaived letter from US attendings; for IMGs unwaived letters are acceptable as most professors are not aware and unwilling to go through the tedious process of upload the LoR.
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Rule of thumb is not to take uwaived letter from US attendings; for IMGs unwaived letters are acceptable as most professors are not aware and unwilling to go through the tedious process of upload the LoR.
Excellent. One last question. Since I am from Australia and most likely my attending will not be familiar with the process of uploading he may prefer just giving me the letter to upload it as unwaived.

I was reading the ERAS guidelines for LoR submission below to find out what format he should write the letter in:
https://www.aamc.org/services/eras/2...or_portal.html

And I could not find anywhere mentioning students can upload a scanned copy of LoR. I am wondering if this is no longer available in 2016 and medical students can't upload letters anymore? Or I am missing something?
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Excellent. One last question. Since I am from Australia and most likely my attending will not be familiar with the process of uploading he may prefer just giving me the letter to upload it as unwaived.

I was reading the ERAS guidelines for LoR submission below to find out what format he should write the letter in:
https://www.aamc.org/services/eras/2...or_portal.html

And I could not find anywhere mentioning students can upload a scanned copy of LoR. I am wondering if this is no longer available in 2016 and medical students can't upload letters anymore? Or I am missing something?
Yeah. For IMGs, you have the option of uploading unwaived letters via LoR portal. Google "ecfmg eras supporting documents" for more information. You will be able to access MyERAS once you buy a residency token in June where you will able to chose the option for unwaived LoR and upload the letter via ERAS support services of OASIS in ECFMG website.
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You might find a post explaining the entire process in detail here

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