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Hello everyone ,

I am an undergraduate from Southeast Asia. I have a wild passion for surgeries. I love the OT and die to spend anytime in there or around the surgery department in my hospital. I have this dream of getting a general surgery residency in the States. I know that it is very difficult for an IMG to get into surgical residencies but i am willing to go for it at any costs (blame the passion , maybe).

I want to know how difficult could it be and what is the least credentials that would lead to a successful match ?

I have not given any steps yet , so have a chance to score .

Also , if you can tell me about the importance of research for a surgical residency ?

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Well it is great that you have a passion for surgery. It is possible to get a General surgery residency it states provided you are willing to work hard for it. If you are currently in Med school, my advice to you would be to start preparing right now. This is what you need to do. Give atleast one step exam before graduation. Ideally ur step 1. Aim for a score higher than 250. A 260 would be ideal. If u are in ur early years than u can also give ur CK during uni time. If u manage to get a 250s in step one, u can easily manage a 260s on CK.

Other than ur steps, one thing u definitely have to do is to find clinical electives at good teaching hospitals in states. Try to get as much experience as u can. Go in 3rd year,4th and final year. You might need to give ur step 1 before u can go as some programs ask for a step 1 score.

Lastly keep in mind you will need to spend sometime doing research in the states for atleast a year and half. This is why it is so so important to give ur steps earlier so u can save time , and do ur research and still be relatively young when u apply for the match.

2 of my friends from South East Asia got matched at real good GS programs this past year. They both gave steps early, did electives during uni time, had atleast 1 score in 260, but most important thing they did was they spent a year and half doing research at a University. They matched in categorical programs.

Some people who skip research usually opt to get preliminary positions and have to re apply. Which is also an option but keep it as a back up.

It is a long and demanding journey but is very doable if this is the only thing u want to do.

P.S if u can marry a US citezin and get a GC before apply that surely helps. just saying.

Wish you all the very best.
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Thank you very much for your reply sir.

I am planning to give my step 1 exam in july 2017.
I will be graduating in April 2018 , although kinda extend that by 2-3 months.
currently in 4th year with final exams due in Feb - march 2017.

The problem i face right now is managing an elective. As step 1 results take around a month to come.....and since i will give the step 1 exam in july 2017 , i will have my result in august. For electives , they recommend atleast 6 months prior application. And since September to February is the most ideal time for an IMG to get an elective , I will be too late to apply.

In short , can you please tell me if i get scores around 260 And still apply for electives with 2 months remaining , would they consider my application ?


Also i wanted to know wether to get into a research for 1-1.5 years after graduation , is it required to have a research experience prior to that ?
I mean on what basis do they offer research positions to IMGs ?
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I recently learned that volunteer work is highly appreciated In surgery residencies. Can you please tell me what kind of volunteer work do they refer to ?
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I dnt know abt any hard and fast rule abt waiting 6months before applying, Id say get ur score and apply straight away. Anywhere and everywhere, open websites of all the uni med schools, check their clerkship info and email them.

Regarding research, there isn't any selection criteria. Some ppl search for research positions online. Some find it through their seniors or friends in programs. What u can do is find an elective and get ur foot through the door. Over there u can talk to attendings and get involved in research. They will teach u abt research methodology during the first-month n later u can do their work. I know one guy who did a rotation at Cleveland clinic and was later offered a year-long paid research position.

Volunteer work...hmm i dont have any idea abt this. Usually on our eras CV there is a section called volunteer work. We mention our extra curricular work here. I mean it could help but then again i dnt think it is as important as having high scores, good USCE and solid research time. If u dont have these things, volunteer work will do u no good.
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You need a score above 230 and ballzy ambitions.

Research, national awards, outstanding achievements in sport or anything better than the rest helps.

Chances are still slim
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Well it is great that you have a passion for surgery. It is possible to get a General surgery residency it states provided you are willing to work hard for it. If you are currently in Med school, my advice to you would be to start preparing right now. This is what you need to do. Give atleast one step exam before graduation. Ideally ur step 1. Aim for a score higher than 250. A 260 would be ideal. If u are in ur early years than u can also give ur CK during uni time. If u manage to get a 250s in step one, u can easily manage a 260s on CK.

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Lastly keep in mind you will need to spend sometime doing research in the states for atleast a year and half. This is why it is so so important to give ur steps earlier so u can save time , and do ur research and still be relatively young when u apply for the match.

2 of my friends from South East Asia got matched at real good GS programs this past year. They both gave steps early, did electives during uni time, had atleast 1 score in 260, but most important thing they did was they spent a year and half doing research at a University. They matched in categorical programs.

Some people who skip research usually opt to get preliminary positions and have to re apply. Which is also an option but keep it as a back up.

It is a long and demanding journey but is very doable if this is the only thing u want to do.

P.S if u can marry a US citezin and get a GC before apply that surely helps. just saying.

Wish you all the very best.
Hi guys,
I;m very intterested in this conversation. I'm Italian, a 2nd yr med student too. I'm so ''neurosurgery''. What are the chances of getting in? I will take my 1st step by 3rd yr promptly.
And i know this sounds quite backward, but can you tell me how to request for a clinical elective while in Med school (i mean like a website kinda).
Thanks
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Hi guys,
I;m very intterested in this conversation. I'm Italian, a 2nd yr med student too. I'm so ''neurosurgery''. What are the chances of getting in? I will take my 1st step by 3rd yr promptly.
And i know this sounds quite backward, but can you tell me how to request for a clinical elective while in Med school (i mean like a website kinda).
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You can apply directly to hospital elective programs if you have a score of 250+. However there are other services that can connect you with clinical experience such as medclerkships.
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You can apply directly to hospital elective programs if you have a score of 250+. However there are other services that can connect you with clinical experience such as medclerkships.
Thanks.
I just found out my school doesn't permit external placements (electives and clerkships).
- Do you think just getting all the usmle stepps will be enough to get matched for residency? with no USCE.
- Or if that's going to be a problem, can i do a sub-internship or externship after graduation (completing my course)?
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