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Question The effect of the new 3-Digit-only score on my chances

The new rule of only reporting 3 digit score for Step 1, 2 CK and 3 will begin on 1st July 2011.
I scored 223/95 in Step 1, how does this impact my chances?
Please guide.
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I don't know why everyone is getting this wrong. You will still get both scores on your report, but only the 3 digit score will be sent to residency programs (unless the program specifically asks for 2 digit scores). 2 digits will be sent to state licensing boards.

However, I am also wondering about your question...will the residency programs disregard the 2 digit scores for good?
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I agree

My basic concern is that since my score is only modest at 223. Initially someone told me that there is only small difference of significance between 95 and 99 in most programs (though some programs consider it big difference).
Is it that now guys who have scored 99 (with range from 229to 260) especially with high 3 digit of 240+ shall have bigger difference of significance in those programs that previously considered it of little significance?
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I think so...but it really depends on the specialty you are aiming for......
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Warning! The new scoring will have great impact

Residency programs will now focus on the three-digit score.

The major effect will be on the 99ers, previously students with 235 and 260 were occasionally treated in the same way, as they both have 99. After this new rule, they will be considered differently.

So yes, the new rule will have an impact.

Your score of 223 is significantly less than 260 while previously your 95 was not significantly less than 99.

This means you'll have less chances and matching will be more difficult.
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Means, if you get one more MCQ right, then you are one more "good" student..lol...like, 250 and 251...both are 99 in two digit score, but now, they are not same..they are different, because 251 scorer is "better"..

That really doesn't make sense.
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Residency programs will now focus on the three-digit score.

The major effect will be on the 99ers, previously students with 235 and 260 were occasionally treated in the same way, as they both have 99. After this new rule, they will be considered differently.

So yes, the new rule will have an impact.

Your score of 223 is significantly less than 260 while previously your 95 was not significantly less than 99.

This means you'll have less chances and matching will be more difficult.
i don't think so!
for two reasons : before comparing 260-223 to 99-95 you have to ask : HOW MANY examinees scored 260? they are like less than 1% ! so generally those who score 223 will be compared to those who scored 240 .. 95-99 difference is comparable to 223-240 .. so there will be little change!

the 2nd reason is : most of the guys who scored 99/260+ are aiming for competitive residencies like sub-surgeries .. the pd's of these specialties have always considered the 3 digit scores even before these last changes .. the PDs of the least competitive specialties like IM and peds who used to depend one the 2 digit score have now to shift to the 3 digit scores .. but guess what? once again, this will not change things alot! because most of the time those who score 99 and apply for these specialties will have 3 digit score of 230's to 240's .. yes the myth of 99 will disappear , but PD's will tend to have a new cut off point to replace that 99 score .. i say it will be around 230!
i guess 230 or 240 will be the new 99!
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Residency programs will now focus on the three-digit score.

The major effect will be on the 99ers, previously students with 235 and 260 were occasionally treated in the same way, as they both have 99. After this new rule, they will be considered differently.

So yes, the new rule will have an impact.

Your score of 223 is significantly less than 260 while previously your 95 was not significantly less than 99.

This means you'll have less chances and matching will be more difficult.
The test takers would still receive both the 2 digit and the 3 digit score. Only the residency programs would receive the 3 digit scores. Some state programs MIGHT get the 2 digit scores, only if they ask for it.
Would this make any difference? No no and no.
Almost all the programs of ALL specialties in the US were already considering the 3 digit score as a means of ranking students. They don't see the 99s or the 95s, or even the 85s and 80s. They use the corresponding 3 digit scores all the time.
The 2 digit score is mostly popular in IMGs, but if you ask any AMG they don't even talk about 2 digit scores.
The PDs know what the average USMLE score is and then decide upon it what cutoff they would like to set in their program. The competitive specialties don't look at the 99s only. They look at other things as well.
Only SOME of the state programs looked at 2 digit scores, and they too looked at your 3 digit scores to get a better idea. These State programs would still get the 2 digit and the 3 digit scores.
So, where the 2 digit score MATTERED, its still going to be.
Where the 3 digit mattered, its gonna be that.
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I totally agree with the above post. Those who get 260 are usually aiming for the surgical residencies. People aiming for IM/Peds/Anes/Neuro/OB etc they would still place a cut-off Step 1 score around 230 (This is what I hear most AMGs say) - They call it the magic number. Besides, 260 is a crazy score and only 1% get it. I also heard that once you get past a certain 3 digit score, your Step scores don't matter anymore and the rest depends on your LoRs, Personal statement etc.
PLUS, statistically speaking, since the 2 digit score of 99 is now corresponding to lower 3 digit scores, this means that many people are getting lower 3 digit scores, so 223/95 is still great.

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I agree

Thanks guys for your input. Though I am quite scared now regarding my chances, but I guess I have myself to blame for scoring a relatively poor 223 in step1.
I shall try to work harder in next steps.
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Dont worry doc.Mav your score is competitive.I know that most of the PD's have been using 3 digit score only,so that does not make difference.They definitely know that score above 220 is good,esp. in diciplines like Int.med and family med.All the best.
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....just forgot to mention that your best bet is community programs especially in Int.med and family med diciplines.Univ. programs are lil more competitive,but again nothing is impossible.
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No I still think u have a shot at a university program, maybe not the ivy league ones but u still have a chance. Just make sure u do usce and get some lOrs. Don't forget u still have step2ck. Good luck
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I agree

Thanks Michelle and add1 for the encouraging words and giving me hope.
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Thanks Michelle and add1 for the encouraging words and giving me hope.
I agree with michelle and add1.
Yes you can still apply at univ programs. 223 is not bad at all. If you improve your step2ck score then it will be even more better.
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Default me too in the same situation 222/95

I know that this is something new for every one, from this year only 3 digit score will be reported in the programs

I was just wanted to know certain things how this will work:

1. First off all as the step 1 pattern changed last year mid earlier 99 was at about 3 digit score of 235 but now it around 3 digit of 229....thats just an example
THE DOUBTS IS WHETHER EARLIER 235 WOULD BE CONSIDERED EQUAL TO 229 NOW? if not then that is something worrisome because earlier they had 14 extra question so they scored more comparatively...
2. or ERAS will report the programs that whether the score is out of (7*48) or (7*46 ) which i think is more reasonable.
I am asking these because both kind of applicants will be there who the exam last year before mid and those who took it as per present pattern..
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I know that this is something new for every one, from this year only 3 digit score will be reported in the programs

I was just wanted to know certain things how this will work:

1. First off all as the step 1 pattern changed last year mid earlier 99 was at about 3 digit score of 235 but now it around 3 digit of 229....thats just an example
THE DOUBTS IS WHETHER EARLIER 235 WOULD BE CONSIDERED EQUAL TO 229 NOW? if not then that is something worrisome because earlier they had 14 extra question so they scored more comparatively...
2. or ERAS will report the programs that whether the score is out of (7*48) or (7*46 ) which i think is more reasonable.
I am asking these because both kind of applicants will be there who the exam last year before mid and those who took it as per present pattern..
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The three digit score is not the number of questions you got correct. Read more about this here
How USMLE Scores are calculated?

The fact that 229 and 235 were both equivalent to a 99 score at certain points in time is THE REASON why they want to stop reporting the two-digit score. The two-digit score is merely an extrapolation of the three digit score, it's not a percentile.

The exam is standardized. This means 229 is less than 235 at all times. It just happens that they have similar two-digit score, that's why the two-digit score is not accuarate (specially for 99ers) and that's why they want to stop reporting it.

Let me know if I answered your query or not.
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let me simplify i was asking about the difference in the marks scored because of less (14) questions in the present pattern of step 1 compared to those who took it earlier with the older pattern of 48 questions/block.

...so if we are given less questions per block then we will comparatively score less i am saying that when i faced 46* 7 i scored 222/95 but if i had faced 48*7 questions then i will score around 230/95 as per older pattern....

so i was asking how this difference will be reported in the programs if only 3 digits is sent to them.... because 222 now is equal to older 230, so they should specify who are old and new...
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let me simplify i was asking about the difference in the marks scored because of less (14) questions in the present pattern of step 1 compared to those who took it earlier with the older pattern of 48 questions/block.

...so if we are given less questions per block then we will comparatively score less i am saying that when i faced 46* 7 i scored 222/95 but if i had faced 48*7 questions then i will score around 230/95 as per older pattern....

so i was asking how this difference will be reported in the programs if only 3 digits is sent to them.... because 222 now is equal to older 230, so they should specify who are old and new...
Again, the number of questions is not related to the three digit score. It does not matter 48 or 46 per block. The three digit score is not the number of questions you got right.
A score of 222 is NOT EQUAL to 230 at all times and at all various total number of questions. 222 is less than 230 at all times, past, present, and future.
222/95 is less than 230/95, they are not the same scores. That's why they want to avoid the confusion created by the two-digit score by reporting the three digit score only.
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as i have mentioned i got 222/95, and i am planning for IM programs
what kinda score is this,
i have passed cs and appearing for ck in august
and have 3 months of electives.
what are your suggestions?
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@JOHNY 90. Don't worry. No one knows for sure (including steptaker) how scoring is done for usmle. Your score is good
But I also think the way they have decreased the number of questions per block and as all say exam is getting tougher day by day that's why they have lowered 99 to 229. I don't see any other reason, why they would lower 99 to 229.
Good luck!

And johny90.
Would you prefer to be candidate with 260 in step 1 and going unmatched
or 222 going matched?
There have been many examples in the past with 260+candidate not matching, while that with low score (even 210) getting matched.
What I mean is there are lots of factors that count, not only score. So work on other factors and hope you match at a good place. Good score is indeed important but not everything
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thanks alot for your support
all the best to you also.
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