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Question How many more AMGs entering the match by 2013?

Does anybody know how many additional US med graduates will be applying from 2013?
I have heard 20,000 extra.
So what will be the chances for IMGs? are the seats being increased?
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This is a good question....I really hope the seats increase as well for IMGs.
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The number of US graduates this year is only about 20,000 - that number will increase by a few hundred every year because of the new schools opening up. By 2013 (the match that I'll be applying for too!), the competition will be tighter, but only by that first few hundred. It will get more competitive every year, certainly, and if more residency spots do not open and the system of health care remuneration does not change, US grads might equal residencies by 2020. Residency spots are actually funded by the government, and it seems unlikely that they will fund new spots when some residencies (the ones that no one wants) still go unfilled, drastic budget cuts are on the table every state, and politicians are clamoring for less government investment in health care. We will have to see what the future brings, and work as hard as we can to be competitive.
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Looks like there is no hope in the 2013 match....
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Wow so many changes
1) Number of questions reduced but lenghthier questions
2)Questions in exam(even step 1 ) got more clinical
3)Step 2 CS will require typing
4)No 2 digit scoring
5)No prematches(for 2013 match)
Is there anything else?
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Looks like there is no hope in the 2013 match....
There is plenty of hope - it will be a little tighter, but nothing to despair over!

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Wow so many changes
1) Number of questions reduced but lenghthier questions
2)Questions in exam(even step 1 ) got more clinical
3)Step 2 CS will require typing
4)No 2 digit scoring
5)No prematches(for 2013 match)
Is there anything else?
  • (1) & (2) make it a little more difficult for those who learned English as a second language, it's true - but it will also make it more difficult for the not-so-smart US med students who were hoping to just memorize a list of buzzwords. I think that (1) will give the higher-quality FMGs an advantage over the lower layers of AMG's. (2) will definitely give FMG's a better advantage, since US students taking Step 1 have no clinical experience.
  • (3) is actually an advantage for FMG's as well - an FMG's handwriting is usually distinctly different from American handwriting, but everyone looks the same on the typed page. Now evaluators will be more blinded - surely that's a good thing.
  • (4) Hardly any programs looked at the 2-digit scores before - I'm not sure why so many FMG's fixate on that part of the score - AMG's only pay attention to the 3-digit score. I think that not reporting the two-digit score will make no difference.
  • (5) goes both ways, really. I don't know if, in the end, it will do more to help or to hurt FMG's.

I think your gloom may be premature!
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Wait wait....are you saying that in the U.S during the first 2 years of medical school, they don't do ANY sort of clinicals? Like even learning how to take history or examine patients?? this is awesome.
Anyway, it'll just get harder. Life is hard guys. Get used to it. I think we should just do what we can and leave the rest to God.
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does anybody have clear knowledge on this matter???
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[]does anybody know how many additional US med graduates will be applying from 2013?i hav heard 20,000 extra.
so what will be the chances for IMGs?are the seats being increased?[/QUOTE]

does anybody have clear knowledge over this?
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i only wrote about number of changes,which were facts and i left it upto readers as how they interpret it .
Why is that you felt gloom in it? Is not that premature?
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i only wrote about number of changes,which were facts and i left it upto readers as how they interpret it .
Why is that you felt gloom in it? Is not that premature?
I think I was thinking of your post in another thread that seemed sort of gloomy:
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OMG. First they said they are not going to report 2 digit score to the programs(while I went for step 1 with 99 in mind), now they are saying there will be no prematches for 2013 match (same year I will be applying) . Damn, don't know what to say. Sometimes feel like I should quit thinking about residency. Don't know whether its a good news or a bad news for me but I am feeling so low
I'm glad if my assessment was premature though!
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ur deviating from the topic
this was not my original concern
do you know anything abt the concern that i raised?
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@ rahul .It only increases by few hundreds (roughly 200 to 300 each year)
It might help you.Especially look at the graphs
Attached Files
File Type: pdf enrollmentreport.pdf (190.5 KB)

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I think I was thinking of your post in another thread that seemed sort of gloom
Was that relevant to this thread?
Yes.I was disappointed at that time as i read on another forum:
I found it on another forum.Might help:
However, I'm wondering if this move might also have the consequence of reducing the number of foreign grads that programs in general take, since apparently one of the rationalizations for prematches is that it makes it easier for programs to get the visa paperwork done in time to start residency. That might lead to an even stronger preference for American grads than (most) programs have previously had. Since the number of American applicants is increasing each year and many of us(americans) have concerns about the number of residency spots not being adequate for the number of med school grads, I wonder if that's why this is being brought up now.
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After reading above post i would be lying if i say i was not disappointed,since i belong to region where the delayed visa clearance have resulted in the loss of residency for very brilliant students and the prematch was one of the way to start all visa work before time(even if it gets delayed)..Since you are AMG you can call it whatever you want---gloom,doom etc. but that is fact for IMGs.I hope you will agree sometimes with IMGs. Its good to think positively but we cant ignore the realities
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Since we both are going for same match ( 2013),wish you good luck for all the exams and whole process
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Looks like there is no hope in the 2013 match....

There is plenty of hope - it will be a little tighter, but nothing to despair over!

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Originally Posted by dr_sherani
Wow so many changes
1) Number of questions reduced but lenghthier questions
2)Questions in exam(even step 1 ) got more clinical
3)Step 2 CS will require typing
4)No 2 digit scoring
5)No prematches(for 2013 match)
Is there anything else?
  • (1) & (2) make it a little more difficult for those who learned English as a second language, it's true - but it will also make it more difficult for the not-so-smart US med students who were hoping to just memorize a list of buzzwords. I think that (1) will give the higher-quality FMGs an advantage over the lower layers of AMG's. (2) will definitely give FMG's a better advantage, since US students taking Step 1 have no clinical experience.
  • (3) is actually an advantage for FMG's as well - an FMG's handwriting is usually distinctly different from American handwriting, but everyone looks the same on the typed page. Now evaluators will be more blinded - surely that's a good thing.
  • (4) Hardly any programs looked at the 2-digit scores before - I'm not sure why so many FMG's fixate on that part of the score - AMG's only pay attention to the 3-digit score. I think that not reporting the two-digit score will make no difference.
  • (5) goes both ways, really. I don't know if, in the end, it will do more to help or to hurt FMG's.
I think your gloom may be premature!
@Mondoshawan.Why is it that AMGs like you thinks that everything benefits IMG's? I dont think so .
P.S: Heard that there is american accent but just came to know from you that an FMG's handwriting is usually distinctly different from American handwriting
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Thanks @ dr.sherani for that pdf file . It explains well
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... but that is fact for IMGs.I hope you will agree sometimes with IMGs. Its good to think positively but we cant ignore the realities Thanks Since we both are going for same match ( 2013),wish you good luck for all the exams and whole process
Ah, I hadn't thought about the effect of the visa clearance delay... I do often think of the effect of policies on IMG's and new Americans in general (I am married to a foreign national myself), and I would like to see the match as open as possible - we all have a lot to learn from each other! Good luck to you in 2013, and I hope to work beside you one day!
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@Mondoshawan.Why is it that AMGs like you thinks that everything benefits IMG's? I dont think so .
P.S: Heard that there is american accent but just came to know from you that an FMG's handwriting is usually distinctly different from American handwriting
I don't think that everything benefits F/IMG's... There are many policies that are blatantly discriminatory, and certainly much to be done that could level the pitch. The increased number of AMG's will definitely make it more difficult for FMG's and IMG's; I wasn't trying to imply otherwise, merely to point out that the figure of 20,000 was inaccurate and to allay some of the more dramatic fears that my colleagues here had. I apologize if I came off as callous or offhand I was not trying to belittle the difficulty of anyone's journey! As someone wrote, "let us be kind to one another, for most of us are fighting a hard battle".
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... but that is fact for IMGs.I hope you will agree sometimes with IMGs. Its good to think positively but we cant ignore the realities Thanks Since we both are going for same match ( 2013),wish you good luck for all the exams and whole process

Ah, I hadn't thought about the effect of the visa clearance delay... I do often think of the effect of policies on IMG's and new Americans in general (I am married to a foreign national myself), and I would like to see the match as open as possible - we all have a lot to learn from each other! Good luck to you in 2013, and I hope to work beside you one day!
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@Mondoshawan.Why is it that AMGs like you thinks that everything benefits IMG's? I dont think so .
P.S: Heard that there is american accent but just came to know from you that an FMG's handwriting is usually distinctly different from American handwriting

I don't think that everything benefits F/IMG's... There are many policies that are blatantly discriminatory, and certainly much to be done that could level the pitch. The increased number of AMG's will definitely make it more difficult for FMG's and IMG's; I wasn't trying to imply otherwise, merely to point out that the figure of 20,000 was inaccurate and to allay some of the more dramatic fears that my colleagues here had. I apologize if I came off as callous or offhand I was not trying to belittle the difficulty of anyone's journey! As someone wrote, "let us be kind to one another, for most of us are fighting a hard battle".
No need to apologize my friend.we are all here to help each other
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thanks alot for that article.i was looking for somthng like that in written.
where did u get this from?

so it means no . Of AMG are inreasin every year by few hindreds.for application in 2013 we will have to compete with their 2007 batch in which the AMG would have been increased by abt 3500 i.e 2000 in medical and 1500 in osteopathic seats.n if they dont increse residency seats this much no. of IMG will have to lose their seats.
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Number of AMGs is increasing every year by few hundreds for application in 2013 we will have to compete with their 2007 batch in which the AMG would have been increased by about 3500 i.e 2000 in medical and 1500 in osteopathic seats and if they don't increase residency seats this much no. of IMG will have to lose their seats.
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This is serious... now I'm worried :S
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Mondoshwan are u an AMG? :O I think just passing the boards will get u residency then i wouldn't worry about u :P
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@Mondoshawan.Why is it that AMGs like you thinks that everything benefits IMG's? I dont think so .
P.S: Heard that there is american accent but just came to know from you that an FMG's handwriting is usually distinctly different from American handwriting
The way IMG's write their "r" is very distinctive.. that's one of the things i've noticed

Other than that, I don't know what else is different..
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There is no point of looking at this negatively, as a disadvantaged bunch, we have to make our CV's more competitive, nothing else we can do.

Its their system, we have no right to change it
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I hope very soon.
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There is no point of looking at this negatively, as a disadvantaged bunch, we have to make our CV's more competitive, nothing else we can do.

Its their system, we have no right to change it

well said..that's exactly it...
how bad you want.. go out there and get it,
the remaining seats are just for the best
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guys in this case what's going to happen? Should we continue spending money on usmle's or is there no hope for 2013? :S I mean we need honest answers...like a statement from usmle.org or something

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I've got some results from recent studies done with regards to this topic.. see my thread!

http://www.usmle-forums.com/general-...html#post43277

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