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i am a usmle aspirant. I wanted to go for hands on clinical experience via americlerkship in internal medicine. Can someone pls tell me how is it and the hospitals covered by them. I want to know whether their experience with Americlerkship was SATISFACTORY OR NOT. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks :-)
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Do Americlerkship provide USCE within programs affiliated with ERAS (residency programs) or just private clinics/hospitals not providing residency programs ?
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Do Americlerkship provide USCE within programs affiliated with ERAS (residency programs) or just private clinics/hospitals not providing residency programs ?
I believe that you are asking if the hospitals have ACGME accreditation, ERAS is the application service. If this is the question the answer is yes we offer hands on experience in teaching hospitals, hospitals, outpatient clinics, and a combination of two or more of those settings.

Residency will have outpatient rotations as well as hospital rotations. You should prepare to show your strengths in multiple disciplines (according to the ACMGE) and not just the single specialty you are applying to. Here is a useful link for you regarding this

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I believe that you are asking if the hospitals have ACGME accreditation, ERAS is the application service. If this is the question the answer is yes we offer hands on experience in teaching hospitals, hospitals, outpatient clinics, and a combination of two or more of those settings.

Residency will have outpatient rotations as well as hospital rotations. You should prepare to show your strengths in multiple disciplines (according to the ACMGE) and not just the single specialty you are applying to. Here is a useful link for you regarding this

http://www.acgme.org/Outcome/comp/Ge...dards21307.pdf
Excellent, if I choose to do an externship in Internal Medicine for 2 months will I get to do it in a hospital that is providing a residency program ?
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Yes this is correct, an ACGME accredited facility indicates residency program affiliation
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I am interested to apply externship.
How should I proceed ?
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I am interested to apply externship.
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You can private message me. I will be happy to help you

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You will involved in hands on clinical experience in private clinics even if they told you that you´ll have a teaching hospital guarantee and you have to pay extra $ 500 for teaching hospital. At the private clinics, you will not get the academic environment to learn because the clinic is busy and the attending physician don´t have time to teach you & make discussion as we see in teaching facilities, so you are like running the their business, i´m sorry to say that but that what i have felt. So, my advice keep your money for yourself and get an observerships that can be considered as US clinical experience in many programs.
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You will involved in hands on clinical experience in private clinics even if they told you that you´ll have a teaching hospital guarantee and you have to pay extra $ 500 for teaching hospital. At the private clinics, you will not get the academic environment to learn because the clinic is busy and the attending physician don´t have time to teach you & make discussion as we see in teaching facilities, so you are like running the their business, i´m sorry to say that but that what i have felt.So, my advice keep your money for yourself and get an observerships that can be considered as US clinical experience in many programs.
Welcome to the forums Anders, I am sorry that you have had a bad experience. You can message me with the specific details of your situation and of course we will take all steps to help rectify your loss. Of course we all know that no company is perfect and we are proud of the fact that we take every complaint very seriously and go through all proper steps to help make things right again.

I am troubled about your feedback though as it looks like you only have two posts here on this forum, both of which are trying to say bad things about our company. If you need help with something, the best thing to do is to bring it to the attention of your representative. Signing up for a forum just to post bad comments is not unproductive and if you really have gone through what you claim, this will result in no resolution

We are here to help but you must first approach someone and communicate with us


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Dear Molly

I have just two posts because unfortunately i found it late and i shared my experience with other IMGs, so it´s not just posting as you mentioned as it may be productive for other IMG.

My concerns was addressed to my representative, and the result was two weeks late from my start date which was too late for me.
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Okay sure, if you would like to resolve our challenges I will need more information about your case. Please private message me so I can look into this matter for you

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how can i get medical electives before my graduation to gain usce .....???
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can anyone tell me if i can do medical electives in us so that i can get USCE prior to my graduation..........i am 4th yr medical student in LSMU,ukraine.
Is there any1 who can help.me

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Yes you can do elective as a student in the US I will be happy to help you

QUOTE=coolspaciba;69868]can anyone tell me if i can do medical electives in us so that i can get USCE prior to my graduation..........i am 4th yr medical student in LSMU,ukraine.
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Sure no problem I am emailing you now

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thank u fr ur reply sir,

I was studying final MBBS now,and going to write my final exams on 1st feb 2012 completing by feb ending 2012..

my Question is
1)can i get clerkship in USA with out step 1??
2)when can i get clerkship if i apply in november 2011??
3)what are all the universities(USA) that offer clerkship before completing steps exam
4)how much it costs??
5)is TOEFL exam mandatory for appplying clerkship??
6)do i require any recomendation letter from US Dr's??
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are there any universities offering clerkship without step1,,
and accepting visitors visa??

please need help
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I would suggest that you complete your basic sciences exam prior to clinicals Having the fund of knowledge before your hands on program can ensure you get the most from this experience.

AmeriClerkships will require your step 1 score prior to any teaching hospital exposure. If you decide that you would like to begin before your exam, we do have other excellent hospital facilities (without ACGME accreditation) we can place you in. Good luck in your studies!!!

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sir,
i will give u a clear idea now,
MEDICAL schools in INDIA
1st yr - 1yr
2nd yr - 1.5 yr
3rd yr - 1 yr
4th yr - 1 yr
5th yr - 1yr (INTERNSHIP -we work in our own hospital and PHC,UHC)
TOTAL - 5.5 yrs

now i'm in 4th yr will complete it by feb ending 2012

i approached u now only(4th yr) so that i can get a clerkship on or after march 2012 - this is very much clear to u now,right??

i don know about USMLE in my 2nd or 3rd yr to comple step 1,
now(in 4th yr) i came to know much about USMLE..

in order to get residency in USA,clerkship adds good credit right??
but as u said many teaching hospitals are asking step 1 score for that..

If i start preparing for step 1 from 2012 march-write the exam by the end of 2012-wait fro results-apply fro clerkship-wait for acceptance-------by this time i may complete my internship in my medical scool which makes me unfit( not eligible) for clerkship right???
because of this reason i asked are there any teaching hospitals offering clerkship with out step 1 score,

how should i plan now for clerkship?
shal i stop my internship last 3 months and apply fro clerkship??
should i leav clerkship plan and skip to observersship after my graduation??
please kindly suggest me.

thank you in advance sir,
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Hello every1
i am a usmle aspirant. I wanted to go for hands on clinical experience via americlerkship in internal medicine. Can someone pls tell me how is it and the hospitals covered by them. I want to know whether their experience with Americlerkship was SATISFACTORY OR NOT. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks :-)
I have friends which introduced me to americlecship and I had seen their representative in Kaplan toronto. My friends experience were mixed and My own was terrible. This is especially true If you need visa for entering US. they do not refund big part of your money if for any reason your visa is delayed or you are subjected to administrative processing.
Moreover there are now other institutes offering the same services with more affordable price. These guys are greedy and want your money without any safeguard for unpredictable issues. I personally do not recommend them.
As for quality of rotations my friend had 2 rotations in internal medicine which she was happy with one and totally disappointed for the second one.
So watch out!
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I’d like to give some recommendations, followed by telling about my experience in searching for and attending a clinical hands-on experience in the United States, because I wish there was such a story out there when I was looking for it myself.

My recommendations are intended for those who are still students at any foreign medical school.

My recommendations

I recommend trying to contact university hospitals, starting at least year before the time you plan to be in the US, because deadlines for applications may be more than a year in advance in some cases. For example, I've seen some institutions essentially stating that applications need to be received by the previous academic year, so if you want to start an activity in June, and their academic year switches between June and July, then the application may need to be handed in by June in the previous year at the latest.

Also look up at an early stage what kinds of visa types are available for you when going to the US from your country to do clinicals.

A list of medical schools that offer electives to international medical students is found at the AAMC webpage (https://services.aamc.org/eec/students/index.cfm). If the link has become broken, then the listing may still be found by googling something like “AAMC On-Line Extramural Electives Compendium”. Last time I checked you could change the criteria under “Search Schools By:”, and thereby get to search by state, province or region, as well as specifically sort out the institutions that accept international students for electives.

I recommend beginning by systematically going through the electives pages for these institutions. Updated webpages for their elective catalogs should be found at the AAMC webpage. Otherwise, you can google each institution to find electives catalogs and contact information.

Still, acceptance of international medical students does not mean acceptance of medical students from YOUR university, because many instances of such acceptance are based on agreements between particular universities only. So you can expect to find your school ineligible for electives of many of these universities, but don’t let it drag your spirits down.

If you don’t find any proper electives or programs in the particular field you wanted, I recommend searching for electives or programs in somewhat related subjects.

However, if you haven't found any other means of getting a hands-on experience in the US by approximately two months before the start of your available period, and a future residency position is really important to you, then I think you may begin to consider contacting a third-party agency that arranges a rotation for you. However, such arrangements are costly (at over $600 per week for AmeriClerkships), and I’ve experienced myself that they can be delayed by weeks with short notice and that you may be placed in another field of medicine/surgery than the one you applied and payed for.

AmeriClerkships for example states that you can start your clinicals 4 to 6 weeks at the earliest after documentation has been presented, and this documentation mainly includes:
*Medical education record which shows that you attend or attended an approved medical school.
*Documentation that you can legally stay in the United States during the period of interest, and that also establishes your identity.
*Clinical Authorization Letter bearing the sponsoring institutional seal (if you're a medical student, extern or resident).
*Documentation of health or travelers insurance for the period of interest.
*Documentation of immunizations including: Hepatitis B, Tetanus, Varicella, Mumps, Measles, Rubella, as well as a PPD within 12 months (if positive, then negative CXR), and flu shot within 12 months
*Up to date curriculum vitae

Also, if you've let a third-party organization arrange your clinicals, plan so that you have at least 2 weeks as buffer time after the clinicals before you need to leave the United States, as I've experienced myself that once clinicals get delayed they can get VERY delayed and you don't want to miss days in the hospital that you’ve payed so much money for.

My recommendation is also to not contact private practices for arranging clinicals – at least I didn’t get a single significant reply.
My search for clinicals

As a background for my recommendations, I started to search for clinicals by looking at electives and rotations offered by various university hospitals. However, I didn’t know about the AAMC webpage then, so I searched by each university hospital individually, which was a very slow process considering the low fraction of acceptance of international students from universities without established exchange programs.
When there was only about 6 months before my available period for doing a rotation in the US, I turned to private practices instead, and I wrote about 30 applications to different ones asking about an externship, even if I would pay any fees rather than demanding a pay from them, but got no offers. I think major reasons for not getting a reply was that I didn’t send any information about what visa I would use, or what malpractice insurance I would have.
At that point I turned to third-party agencies, which I had already come across earlier. The first third-party organization that I came in contact with to arrange my clinicals was IMGPrep, which offered a 3 month hands-on clerkship program for $7,850. It seemed ok until I read one of the last paragraphs in their agreement:
"If IMGPrep cannot find an externship position that will accept you as an extern in their facility, within an agreed upon time, IMGPrep will refund all fees less a $500 deposit for work undertaken on your behalf."
This made me realize that it could be possible to keep such a business going by simply saying "sorry, we couldn't find any position for you" to everyone and still earn $500. I know the probability is still small, but it's still a considerably large amount of money and as an aspiring physician you don't want to waste time on scams. Also, if they were as good as they claimed themselves to be, they wouldn't need to have such a "deposit" at all. So this still made me suspicious enough to make an Internet search for some page comparing different third parties, and I came across this forum page for "What is the best Paid IMG Externship provider company?":
Paid Externships for IMGs
, and the "winner" was an organization called AmeriClerkships (with 107 votes), followed by IMG Prep (with 26 votes) and FMG Portal (with 18 votes). Thus, I contacted AmeriClerkships.
My experience with AmeriClerkships

I enrolled in an 8 week clerkship in OB/GYN in Michigan, which cost $5600. The clerkship was claimed to be an obstetrics hospitalist one featuring a teaching hospital and attended by a teaching hospital affiliate, starting in June. I enrolled and paid in February, thinking it would be safe to do it long before the start of the clerkship. However, one month before it would have begun I got an email saying that the attending physician I was originally planned to follow would not be able to have me there, and that they were looking for an alternative one. I was asked whether I would like to change location to Georgia instead for ease of finding an attending physician, or continue to be placed in Michigan. For various reasons I wanted to have my rotation in Michigan rather than in Georgia, and I had already arranged for accommodation and flights, so I chose to continue to be placed in Michigan. I booked a flight to be at the site a week before the planned start of my clincals, and a return flight to return home two weeks after I was expecting to have the clinicals completed. The trip there went smoothly, but I didn’t hear about any new site for my rotation. The expected start date passed, and it wasn’t until seventeen days after the originally start date that I received an email stating that I was confirmed to begin, and that I was to show up at a nearby location at 11 am. I showed up at that location and time and met the doctor, but only to be informed that it wasn’t about starting my clinicals but only to have a short interview, after which the doctor said that he was unable to have me there until he had received further information from AmeriClerkships that I was appropriately covered for any instance of malpractice. Also, the site was a clinic providing infertility treatment, and was not a hospital providing OB/GYN service in general, which I had applied and payed for.
At this time, I seriously doubted that AmeriClerkships would find a clinical location in Michigan, so I told them that I would accept being located at another site, even if it was more than 50 miles away.
After 3 weeks had passed since the date I was originally scheduled to have begun my clinicals, I was informed that I could begin in Chicago, starting after 3 days at the earliest. I didn’t want to miss another day of my available time before having to return home, so I accepted it. It was a bit difficult to find a proper place to stay in Chicago in such short notice, but I eventually managed to find one.

AmeriClerkships themselves claim to have a 97% follow-through rate on scheduled start dates (stated in the agreement), but I don't know about the evidence behind that number, but I've experienced that when there actually is a delay, then it can be really substantial. AmeriClerkships didn’t refund my for missed clinical time or rebooking flights.

Other major disadvantages I find with AmeriClerkships are:
*The part of their agreement that says that you may be located anywhere within 50 miles of your desired location, and you have the right to know the zip code first at 7 days prior to clinical start date, and the exact location and name of your attending physician first by 3 days prior to the start date. I assume they have this rule to avoid the instance of participants and physicians making their own agreements, thereby leaving AmeriClerkships redundant. Still, this rule makes it very complicated to properly arrange for accommodation and other practical matters.
*The part of the agreement (and its practical implication) that attending physicians shall supervise their clinical trainees for a minimum of 5 to 6 half-days per week, and that it can be done in any combination of half or full days. My schedule consisted of a total of approximately 90 hours per month, which with a cost of $5600 for 8 weeks corresponds to an hourly cost of $35, which must also be viewed in the perspective that there were four clinical trainees following the doctor, and only one at a time could take a medical history or perform a physical examination. Of course I used the free time to study as well, but I could just as well have hade that free time in my home country. In total, here were only 32 patient encounters that I got to perform personally. Each patient encounter took about 15 minutes, so in effect I only had about 8 hours of actual active clinical time – for a price of about $680 per hour.
*Phone calls to your clinical coordinator (which essentially is your sole contact with the organization) are replied by voicemail about 90 percent of the time. On the other hand, you usually get a reply by email within a few days.
*You are not in control, and has relatively little information about the situation compared to when applying directly to hospitals, which may be detrimental to the process. For example, if I had been in contact directly with clinical sites in Grand Rapids I may have suspected at a much earlier stage that it would take long time to find one at all, and then I may have switched to Chicago at an earlier time.

Also, the rotation was divided between mainly three locations, with a transport time of a bit more than an hour from one place to another by bus or train.

On the other hand, what I like about AmeriClerkships is the friendly approach by their clinical coordinators, and I've often received emails when it should be evening or even night in their local time, indicating that they dedicate even those hours to you. Also, my impression is that they may still be the best (or least bad) among third party agencies for arranging clinicals.

Taken together, I like every person I've been in contact with at AmeriClerkships, but I dislike the entire system of third part arrangements of clinicals.
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I’d like to give some recommendations, followed by telling about my experience in searching for and attending a clinical hands-on experience in the United States, because I wish there was such a story out there when I was looking for it myself.

My recommendations are intended for those who are still students at any foreign medical school.

My recommendations

I recommend trying to contact university hospitals, starting at least year before the time you plan to be in the US, because deadlines for applications may be more than a year in advance in some cases. For example, I've seen some institutions essentially stating that applications need to be received by the previous academic year, so if you want to start an activity in June, and their academic year switches between June and July, then the application may need to be handed in by June in the previous year at the latest.

Also look up at an early stage what kinds of visa types are available for you when going to the US from your country to do clinicals.

A list of medical schools that offer electives to international medical students is found at the AAMC webpage (https://services.aamc.org/eec/students/index.cfm). If the link has become broken, then the listing may still be found by googling something like “AAMC On-Line Extramural Electives Compendium”. Last time I checked you could change the criteria under “Search Schools By:”, and thereby get to search by state, province or region, as well as specifically sort out the institutions that accept international students for electives.

I recommend beginning by systematically going through the electives pages for these institutions. Updated webpages for their elective catalogs should be found at the AAMC webpage. Otherwise, you can google each institution to find electives catalogs and contact information.

Still, acceptance of international medical students does not mean acceptance of medical students from YOUR university, because many instances of such acceptance are based on agreements between particular universities only. So you can expect to find your school ineligible for electives of many of these universities, but don’t let it drag your spirits down.

If you don’t find any proper electives or programs in the particular field you wanted, I recommend searching for electives or programs in somewhat related subjects.

However, if you haven't found any other means of getting a hands-on experience in the US by approximately two months before the start of your available period, and a future residency position is really important to you, then I think you may begin to consider contacting a third-party agency that arranges a rotation for you. However, such arrangements are costly (at over $600 per week for AmeriClerkships), and I’ve experienced myself that they can be delayed by weeks with short notice and that you may be placed in another field of medicine/surgery than the one you applied and payed for.

AmeriClerkships for example states that you can start your clinicals 4 to 6 weeks at the earliest after documentation has been presented, and this documentation mainly includes:
*Medical education record which shows that you attend or attended an approved medical school.
*Documentation that you can legally stay in the United States during the period of interest, and that also establishes your identity.
*Clinical Authorization Letter bearing the sponsoring institutional seal (if you're a medical student, extern or resident).
*Documentation of health or travelers insurance for the period of interest.
*Documentation of immunizations including: Hepatitis B, Tetanus, Varicella, Mumps, Measles, Rubella, as well as a PPD within 12 months (if positive, then negative CXR), and flu shot within 12 months
*Up to date curriculum vitae

Also, if you've let a third-party organization arrange your clinicals, plan so that you have at least 2 weeks as buffer time after the clinicals before you need to leave the United States, as I've experienced myself that once clinicals get delayed they can get VERY delayed and you don't want to miss days in the hospital that you’ve payed so much money for.

My recommendation is also to not contact private practices for arranging clinicals – at least I didn’t get a single significant reply.
My search for clinicals

As a background for my recommendations, I started to search for clinicals by looking at electives and rotations offered by various university hospitals. However, I didn’t know about the AAMC webpage then, so I searched by each university hospital individually, which was a very slow process considering the low fraction of acceptance of international students from universities without established exchange programs.
When there was only about 6 months before my available period for doing a rotation in the US, I turned to private practices instead, and I wrote about 30 applications to different ones asking about an externship, even if I would pay any fees rather than demanding a pay from them, but got no offers. I think major reasons for not getting a reply was that I didn’t send any information about what visa I would use, or what malpractice insurance I would have.
At that point I turned to third-party agencies, which I had already come across earlier. The first third-party organization that I came in contact with to arrange my clinicals was IMGPrep, which offered a 3 month hands-on clerkship program for $7,850. It seemed ok until I read one of the last paragraphs in their agreement:
"If IMGPrep cannot find an externship position that will accept you as an extern in their facility, within an agreed upon time, IMGPrep will refund all fees less a $500 deposit for work undertaken on your behalf."
This made me realize that it could be possible to keep such a business going by simply saying "sorry, we couldn't find any position for you" to everyone and still earn $500. I know the probability is still small, but it's still a considerably large amount of money and as an aspiring physician you don't want to waste time on scams. Also, if they were as good as they claimed themselves to be, they wouldn't need to have such a "deposit" at all. So this still made me suspicious enough to make an Internet search for some page comparing different third parties, and I came across this forum page for "What is the best Paid IMG Externship provider company?":
Paid Externships for IMGs
, and the "winner" was an organization called AmeriClerkships (with 107 votes), followed by IMG Prep (with 26 votes) and FMG Portal (with 18 votes). Thus, I contacted AmeriClerkships.
My experience with AmeriClerkships

I enrolled in an 8 week clerkship in OB/GYN in Michigan, which cost $5600. The clerkship was claimed to be an obstetrics hospitalist one featuring a teaching hospital and attended by a teaching hospital affiliate, starting in June. I enrolled and paid in February, thinking it would be safe to do it long before the start of the clerkship. However, one month before it would have begun I got an email saying that the attending physician I was originally planned to follow would not be able to have me there, and that they were looking for an alternative one. I was asked whether I would like to change location to Georgia instead for ease of finding an attending physician, or continue to be placed in Michigan. For various reasons I wanted to have my rotation in Michigan rather than in Georgia, and I had already arranged for accommodation and flights, so I chose to continue to be placed in Michigan. I booked a flight to be at the site a week before the planned start of my clincals, and a return flight to return home two weeks after I was expecting to have the clinicals completed. The trip there went smoothly, but I didn’t hear about any new site for my rotation. The expected start date passed, and it wasn’t until seventeen days after the originally start date that I received an email stating that I was confirmed to begin, and that I was to show up at a nearby location at 11 am. I showed up at that location and time and met the doctor, but only to be informed that it wasn’t about starting my clinicals but only to have a short interview, after which the doctor said that he was unable to have me there until he had received further information from AmeriClerkships that I was appropriately covered for any instance of malpractice. Also, the site was a clinic providing infertility treatment, and was not a hospital providing OB/GYN service in general, which I had applied and payed for.
At this time, I seriously doubted that AmeriClerkships would find a clinical location in Michigan, so I told them that I would accept being located at another site, even if it was more than 50 miles away.
After 3 weeks had passed since the date I was originally scheduled to have begun my clinicals, I was informed that I could begin in Chicago, starting after 3 days at the earliest. I didn’t want to miss another day of my available time before having to return home, so I accepted it. It was a bit difficult to find a proper place to stay in Chicago in such short notice, but I eventually managed to find one.

AmeriClerkships themselves claim to have a 97% follow-through rate on scheduled start dates (stated in the agreement), but I don't know about the evidence behind that number, but I've experienced that when there actually is a delay, then it can be really substantial. AmeriClerkships didn’t refund my for missed clinical time or rebooking flights.

Other major disadvantages I find with AmeriClerkships are:
*The part of their agreement that says that you may be located anywhere within 50 miles of your desired location, and you have the right to know the zip code first at 7 days prior to clinical start date, and the exact location and name of your attending physician first by 3 days prior to the start date. I assume they have this rule to avoid the instance of participants and physicians making their own agreements, thereby leaving AmeriClerkships redundant. Still, this rule makes it very complicated to properly arrange for accommodation and other practical matters.
*The part of the agreement (and its practical implication) that attending physicians shall supervise their clinical trainees for a minimum of 5 to 6 half-days per week, and that it can be done in any combination of half or full days. My schedule consisted of a total of approximately 90 hours per month, which with a cost of $5600 for 8 weeks corresponds to an hourly cost of $35, which must also be viewed in the perspective that there were four clinical trainees following the doctor, and only one at a time could take a medical history or perform a physical examination. Of course I used the free time to study as well, but I could just as well have hade that free time in my home country. In total, here were only 32 patient encounters that I got to perform personally. Each patient encounter took about 15 minutes, so in effect I only had about 8 hours of actual active clinical time – for a price of about $680 per hour.
*Phone calls to your clinical coordinator (which essentially is your sole contact with the organization) are replied by voicemail about 90 percent of the time. On the other hand, you usually get a reply by email within a few days.
*You are not in control, and has relatively little information about the situation compared to when applying directly to hospitals, which may be detrimental to the process. For example, if I had been in contact directly with clinical sites in Grand Rapids I may have suspected at a much earlier stage that it would take long time to find one at all, and then I may have switched to Chicago at an earlier time.

Also, the rotation was divided between mainly three locations, with a transport time of a bit more than an hour from one place to another by bus or train.

On the other hand, what I like about AmeriClerkships is the friendly approach by their clinical coordinators, and I've often received emails when it should be evening or even night in their local time, indicating that they dedicate even those hours to you. Also, my impression is that they may still be the best (or least bad) among third party agencies for arranging clinicals.

Taken together, I like every person I've been in contact with at AmeriClerkships, but I dislike the entire system of third part arrangements of clinicals.
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I have friends which introduced me to americlecship and I had seen their representative in Kaplan toronto. My friends experience were mixed and My own was terrible. This is especially true If you need visa for entering US. they do not refund big part of your money if for any reason your visa is delayed or you are subjected to administrative processing.
Moreover there are now other institutes offering the same services with more affordable price. These guys are greedy and want your money without any safeguard for unpredictable issues. I personally do not recommend them.
As for quality of rotations my friend had 2 rotations in internal medicine which she was happy with one and totally disappointed for the second one.
So watch out!
i am planning to take an externship with them soon,I am now very scare to sigh the contract,what other companies that u recommend .
I dont have much many to loss, please advise.
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Hi. I am from India and doing my internship here.
I had applied for Herbert Wertheim Medical college and got acceptance for february 2017. The fees for a month is 2500$.
And it is not a teaching hospital
i have heard about FMG portals Medclerships and americlerkships
And they also offer one month elective in same price. so what is better.?
which of the 3 is most reliable
Please help
thank you
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