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Question US or UK; Which is better and easier for residency?

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Is it good to go for a residency in the UK.
What exam should one go for. What is the doctors pay during residency and later?
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UK doesn't seem to like non EU citizens, so makes it hard to climb up the ladder.
Plus with the US, you can pretty much practice in any country easily down the road, including the UK after passing PLAB.
If you do a residency in the UK, and decide later u want to move to the US, you'll have to go thru the whole process again.
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UK doesnt seem to like non EU citizens, so makes it hard to climb up the ladder.
Plus with the US, you can pretty much practice in any country easily down the road, including the UK after passing PLAB.
If you do a residency in the UK, and decide later u want to move to the US, you'll have to go thru the whole process again.

is it true that we can practise in any country after clearing all usmle steps..????or do we need to give country specific exam to practise..say for example new zealand or australia??!!!
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is it true that we can practise in any country after clearing all usmle steps..????or do we need to give country specific exam to practise..say for example new zealand or australia??!!!
OK , After completing you residency in U.S and passing Diplomat American Board Exam , you can practice in any country of your choice , you will be preferred over MRCP's and other fellows, it's a fact ,
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is it true that we can practise in any country after clearing all usmle steps..????or do we need to give country specific exam to practise..say for example new zealand or australia??!!!
After completing residency in the US, u can.
So yeah its a challenge to get into residency in the US, but at the end of the day, you can go anywhere and be alright, because everyone knows the US has the toughest medical standards and seriously the USMLE exams are 2nd to none in any country, including PLAB!
Australia even hires anyone that has clinical experience in US, UK, South Africa, Ireland, Canada and New Zealand.
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i have heard that if we pass all step of usmle ,we will get our degree converted into m.d ? and what are the benefits of appearing in steps during undergraduate studies.. ? t
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After completing residency in the US, u can.
So yeah its a challenge to get into residency in the US, but at the end of the day, you can go anywhere and be alright, because everyone knows the US has the toughest medical standards and seriously the USMLE exams are 2nd to none in any country, including PLAB!
Australia even hires anyone that has clinical experience in US, UK, South Africa, Ireland, Canada and New Zealand.


ok.does that mean once ur are done with your residency u can practise newhere in the world without giving neother exams?.....
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i have heard that if we pass all step of usmle ,we will get our degree converted into m.d ? and what are the benefits of appearing in steps during undergraduate studies.. ? t
You dont get ECFMG certified without an officially verified medical diploma.

Not sure that I quite understand what you are saying. You mean what are the benefits of taking Step I while in med school? Obviously the main reason is that you are still in the study mode, and the material is still relatively fresh in your memory.
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ok.does that mean once ur are done with your residency u can practise newhere in the world without giving neother exams?.....
I dont know about not taking any exams in every country, most likely I've been told, but even then, it'll be a cake walk after what you had to get through, so you should be able to pass.
I mean after residency, you would have taken Steps 1-3 +CS+Residency exams and maybe even your board licensing exams, so there's absolutely no exam you wouldnt be able to easily pass in any country.
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we asians have a degree called MBBS(bachelor of medicine and bachelor of surgery ) and i have heard that after completing usmle steps this degree converted into m.d and yup i mean to say that what are benefits if we appear in usmle steps during medical shcool .. any benefit in residency if we appear in steps during medical shcool .?
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we asians have a degree called MBBS(bachelor of medicine and bachelor of surgery ) and i have heard that after completing usmle steps this degree converted into m.d and yup i mean to say that what are benefits if we appear in usmle steps during medical shcool .. any benefit in residency if we appear in steps during medical shcool .?
An MBBS is considered equivalent to an MD degree in the US for clinical purposes, though when asked the full name of degree earned on documents, you'd be expected to put MBBS.

For residency, there are no additional benefits, it wouldnt help you get in easier or quicker.

Completing the USMLE exams, doesnt guarantee one a residency spot. It allows you to get ECFMG certified, which is part of the requirement to get into residency.
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An MBBS is considered equivalent to an MD degree in the US for clinical purposes, though when asked the full name of degree earned on documents, you'd be expected to put MBBS.

For residency, there are no additional benefits, it wouldnt help you get in easier or quicker.

Completing the USMLE exams, doesnt guarantee one a residency spot. It allows you to get ECFMG certified, which is part of the requirement to get into residency.
i think if we appear in steps quicker that it would be benifited if we get good score also coz residency for imgs is becoming tougher and tougher everyyear.. and one more question i have heard that 3 digit score above 240 will get residency easily and is it for every field . internal medicine and surgery etc ..??
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i think if we appear in steps quicker that it would be benifited if we get good score also coz residency for imgs is becoming tougher and tougher everyyear.. and one more question i have heard that 3 digit score above 240 will get residency easily and is it for every field . internal medicine and surgery etc ..??
No its of no benefit, the best time is when you are ready to take it. Scores also expire in 7 years, so if you take Step I now, but are unable to take Step 2 CK for more than 7 years, then no matter your previous Step I score, you'll have to retake it.

Above a 240 makes it easier but its no guarantee. It would obviously be easier for someone going into family or internal medicine, but not necessarily for surgery. I have a friend (from a US med schl) who got above a 240 and didnt match for ortho. The person had to do several years of research and reapply before they matched.

Specialties such as the ROADS aka Radiology, Ophthalmology, Anesthesiology, Dermatology and Surgery (surgical specialties like Urology, Ortho, Neuro especially) are hard to get into regardless of great USMLE scores.
Many factors can come into place for residency such as school you attended, US Clinical Experience, Connections (Who you know: Nepotism is very real in this process), Personal Statement, Letters of Recommendation (US ones are given more preference), Whether you are a US Citizen/Green card holder. The latter is because some programs dont offer H-1 visas and prelim programs give J visas, which can be a problem later when the person gets into another residency program.
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No its of no benefit, the best time is when you are ready to take it. Scores also expire in 7 years, so if you take Step I now, but are unable to take Step 2 CK for more than 7 years, then no matter your previous Step I score, you'll have to retake it.

Above a 240 makes it easier but its no guarantee. It would obviously be easier for someone going into family or internal medicine, but not necessarily for surgery. I have a friend (from a US med schl) who got above a 240 and didnt match for ortho. The person had to do several years of research and reapply before they matched.

Specialties such as the ROADS aka Radiology, Ophthalmology, Anesthesiology, Dermatology and Surgery (surgical specialties like Urology, Ortho, Neuro especially) are hard to get into regardless of a great USMLE scores.
Many factors can come into place for residency such as school you attended, US Clinical Experience, Connections (Who you know: Nepotism is very real in this process), Personal Statement, Letters of Recommendation (US ones are given more preference), Whether you are a US Citizen/Green card holder. The latter is because some programs dont offer H-1 visas and prelim programs give J visas, which can be a problem later when the person gets into another residency program.
thanx lena and usmle is accepted by other countries also like newzealand or uk ? i have also heard that ...am very tense coz i have heard that resideny for pakistani imgs is getting tougher now ... i will appear in step 1 september this year
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