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Question What is the eventual fate of an ECFMG certified person???

well it seems to be a weird question but its reality too...can anybody tell what is the eventual fate of a doctor in america??i have heard that NO ECFMG CERTIFIED PERSON IN USA IS UNEMPLOYED....what does it mean???does it mean that anyone who passes all steps succeeds in getting residency at last<after many tries>.........u guys what u think????????????????????
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I have the same question
The staff working for this forum used to check postings often and answer but I see less and less of their response lately
Staff response is one of the unique features of this site, I hope they will keep it
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Being an ECFMG certified means that you are certified to join a training residency position in USA.

The majority of IMGs who got certified eventually joined a residency program and continued a clinical or an academic medical career in USA. However, it's not 100% guarantee, still there are some people who are ECFMG certified who were not or are not being able to match into a residency position, but this constitutes a small portion.

Some of the reasons why these people did not get into residency are the following:
  • Low USMLE scores
  • Second attempt pass in any of the steps
  • Long years after graduation and with gaps in the CV
Of the above reasons, the last one is critical. The key is to maintain a clinical CV with no gaps, read more about this here IMGs; How to explain gaps in the CV

However, even those who did not match into a mainstream residency, they eventually got into some sort of medically related jobs, specially if they are living here in USA and has got a green card or some sort of legal status.

The ECFMG itself is recently trying to help these candidates. They recently sent a survey asking them if they are interested in looking for "non-clinical" careers.

Of the examples of non-clinical careers that I can think of now are the following:
  • Working in pharmaceutical companies
  • Working in hospital settings but in a non-clinical position such as "management"
  • Working in the private sector as medical assistants or in management
  • Working in medical coding and transcription
Of course these jobs have lower income than the clinical career but still you can manage to live with it.

USA is a land of opportunities, those who are willing to work, usually end up working and living, even in these difficult economic times.
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Dear StepTaker : you said IMG's who are ecfmg certified .. are you sure you are not talking about AMG's? because for an IMG's to work in USA it's crucial to have a visa sponsorship ( or permanent residency which is not the case most of the time ) from a company in America .. I am not sure how many companies in america are willing to sponsor someone's visa to bring him in from overseas!

plus, you said that these non-clinical settings are less paid .. residents are paid like 20-25 $/hour .. i think most qualified jobs in America will pay more than that!
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Dear StepTaker : you said IMG's who are ecfmg certified .. are you sure you are not talking about AMG's? because for an IMG's to work in USA it's crucial to have a visa sponsorship ( or permanent residency which is not the case most of the time ) from a company in America .. I am not sure how many companies in america are willing to sponsor someone's visa to bring him in from overseas!
I said they can join residency. I did not say they can join a permanent practicing and sponsoring job in USA.
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plus, you said that these non-clinical settings are less paid .. residents are paid like 20-25 $/hour .. i think most qualified jobs in America will pay more than that!
Here I am talking about a permanent job situation (those who fail to get a match and decided to work in the non-clinical field). Such a job should be compared to the board certified doctor (finished residency) because it's an eventual fate (residency is just 3-7 years).
Board certified licensed doctors in USA get an average of $120K per year while non-clinical jobs get an average of $30K per year.

Also, I disagree with your statement
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Many of those non-clinical jobs are in that range $20-25/hr. So even if you compare it to the resident salary, it's not higher.
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Many things come into play, though given visa restrictions, its really hard to see a company file for someone to work, because there are also people within the country they can pick up.

Options can include getting a masters in public health, an MBA or even something like taking the LSAT and going to law school.
What this does is set you apart by giving you a US degree from a local school that a regular US company can recognize.

Jobs include pharm companies (which can pay great, anywhere from $100-$150k) as a drug rep or working on clinical trials.

Working for the FDA, State govt or Fed govt like CDC etc

Options above are especially for US citizens/green card holders.

Research in academia is another option, but one will need a US Masters degree or PhD to do that. (Esp a good option for non US citizens/Green card holders).

Regarding average stated above, seems a tad low. When I graduated from undergrad ages ago, even full time science lab related degrees paid more than $30k, let alone now. Friends who started working with their science degree (BS) for pharm related companies after undergrad, now 10+ yrs later (those without Masters), are at about $60-70k/yr salaries. Those with Masters are at about $75-90k
Of course years of experience plays a big role, but even looking at jobs I've seen now, many start off at about $60k easily.

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5 years
10 years
15 years
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The staff working for this forum used to check postings often and answer but I see less and less of their response lately
Staff response is one of the unique features of this site, I hope they will keep it
They still post regularly enough, man. You'll get an answer within a day or two. Just keep in mind that the staff are residents, possibly with families; they're doing a great job.
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10 years
15 years
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Hmm, I'd be interested in knowing how long it takes to find residency. After certification, do most IMGs get accepted in a program in the first year or two?
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5 years
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