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Surgery What are the criteria for IMG to get into Neurosurgery?

I got 249/99 in step 1, i am gonna get a residency of neurosurgery at university hospital in Egypt, what do i need to be qualified to get neurosurgery residency in US?
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No IMG can get into neurosurgery, even if you get 270 in step 1 and even if you do multiple neurosurgery residencies and degrees outside US.

IMGs can only get into neurosurgery if they have the following:
-Super high scores in all steps
-Super research experience
-Super connections with neurosurgery PDs
-Super neurosurgery US LoR
-Long surgery experience in USA, such as 3 or 4 years of prelim surgery

So be realistic and forget about it
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So what surgeries can i afford?
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Generel surgery,
Even that one is extremely difficult, but it's possible, while neurosurgery is impossible
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Don't hear people that they don't know anything.
I have two friends who matched at neurosurgery this year, top places, one of them got pre-match offer. They had the same score like you, but they did research for 6 to 8 months, something very doable for you. Find somewhere to do research and you will find something for sure.
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Don't hear people that they don't know anything.
I have two friends who matched at neurosurgery this year, top places, one of them got pre-match offer. They had the same score like you, but they did research for 6 to 8 months, something very doable for you. Find somewhere to do research and you will find something for sure.
Can you please send us the website links to those residency programs so that we can see your two IMG friends listed in the list of residents.

I think you should be realistic, giving false hope is not good and is misleading and might even damage our dude's career.
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Can you please send us the website links to those residency programs so that we can see your two IMG friends listed in the list of residents.

I think you should be realistic, giving false hope is not good and is misleading and might even damage our dude's career.
You don't anything my friend!
I am really sorry about you, I am waiting for your apologize!
You said that I give false hope, this is my answer:
http://www.neurosurgery.pitt.edu/tra...nts/index.html
Georgios Zenonos, MD ( friend of mine from University of Athens, Greece)

Please if you don't know things please don't say lies, please!
WONDER:''I think you should be realistic, giving false hope is not good and is misleading and might even damage our dude's career.''
Please my dear friend I am waiting for your apologize. If you have an honor.
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Where is Wonder??????
I am really sorry, I forgot the second resident:
http://gme.dartmouth-hitchcock.org/n...residents.html
Kimon Bekelis, from the University of Athens, Greece

Hello Wonder, are you there??????
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You don't anything my friend!
I am really sorry about you, I am waiting for your apologize!
You said that I give false hope, this is my answer:
http://www.neurosurgery.pitt.edu/tra...nts/index.html
Georgios Zenonos, MD ( friend of mine from University of Athens, Greece)

Please if you don't know things please don't say lies, please!
WONDER:''I think you should be realistic, giving false hope is not good and is misleading and might even damage our dude's career.''
Please my dear friend I am waiting for your apologize. If you have an honor.
again, try not take things personal and try to be professional. I did not use bad language with you and so you should not use bad langauage "if you have honor"

The link you provided, does not indicate whether these residents are AMGs or IMGs, because they did not list their med schools.
So this link is invalid, try to come with a better one.
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Where is Wonder??????
I am really sorry, I forgot the second resident:
http://gme.dartmouth-hitchcock.org/n...residents.html
Kimon Bekelis, from the University of Athens, Greece

Hello Wonder, are you there??????
First of all you said this year. while Kimon Bekelis is from last year. So this is your first lie.
Second, if you can focus a little bit, you'll see that I mentioned in my initial post that IMGs can get neurosurgery if they have super US experience, this dude has fellowship from John Hopkin's.
Please focus and try to present some better links and some better information that is not misleading.

People who read this forum are going to be doctors, so they are intelligent and so they can't be fooled easily.

Good luck in trying to find better links!
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again, try not take things personal and try to be professional. I did not use bad language with you and so you should not use bad langauage "if you have honor"

The link you provided, does not indicate whether these residents are AMGs or IMGs, because they did not list their med schools.
So this link is invalid, try to come with a better one.
Ok, please look at this link:
http://www.neurosurgery.pitt.edu/new...tion_2011.html
It says: Georgios Zenonos, MD, is from Pafos, Cyprus, and a graduate of the University of Athens.
What do you think? Is it a better one?
Please, I am waiting to see your honor... I am waiting for your apologize.


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I wrote at this topic for my friend MidoUSMLE,
I said the truth for the two friends of mine who matched in neurosurgery,
we were in the same year in the same university. I proved with accurate links the truth of my words.
Wonder said " No IMG can get into neurosurgery, even if you get 270 in step 1 and even if you do multiple neurosurgery residencies and degrees outside US.'' and I proved that he said a big lie and he is wrong.
Wonder said 'I think you should be realistic, giving false hope is not good and is misleading and might even damage our dude's career.'' but I sent two real links. Also I said that they did research . Where is the false hope? Where is the misleading?
I have two friends IMG residents, also in the Dartmouth's program you can see 2 more IMG's!!!!!
A good advise, don't listen people that they don't know anything but they say only lies.
Good luck with your good fight.


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1. '' People who read this forum are going to be doctors, so they are intelligent and so they can't be fooled easily.''
That's true! Therefore, everybody can see who said the truth and who said lies.
2. My friend Wonder, I don't have anything personal with you, I just want to help my friend MidoUSMLE. And a small advise, If you cannot be a neurosurgery resident that doesn't mean that nobody can do it!
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I wrote at this topic for my friend MidoUSMLE,
I said the truth for the two friends of mine who matched in neurosurgery,
we were in the same year in the same university. I proved with accurate links the truth of my words.
Wonder said " No IMG can get into neurosurgery, even if you get 270 in step 1 and even if you do multiple neurosurgery residencies and degrees outside US.'' and I proved that he said a big lie and he is wrong.
Wonder said 'I think you should be realistic, giving false hope is not good and is misleading and might even damage our dude's career.'' but I sent two real links. Also I said that they did research . Where is the false hope? Where is the misleading?
I have two friends IMG residents, also in the Dartmouth's program you can see 2 more IMG's!!!!!
A good advise, don't listen people that they don't know anything but they say only lies.
Good luck with your good fight.


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1. '' People who read this forum are going to be doctors, so they are intelligent and so they can't be fooled easily.''
That's true! Therefore, everybody can see who said the truth and who said lies.
2. My friend Wonder, I don't have anything personal with you, I just want to help my friend MidoUSMLE. And a small advise, If you cannot be a neurosurgery resident that doesn't mean that nobody can do it!
I think both of you are miscommunicating, Wonder is simply stating statistically its not possible since most of the people [AMGs] applying to neurosurgery are +2 sometimes +3 SD's above mean, that being said.. if midoUSMLE makes it great!.. then good for him.. otherwise, he shouldn't be disappointed if he doesn't since its practically not possible!

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i understand what you are trying to do_cooling down things between "Imalaa" and "wonder"_but let us be fair here
this guy" wonder" is really sending bad messeges & is definitely trying to discourage our friend "MidoUSMLE" who might already have had his heartly hoped dreams set upon being a neurosurgeon, which i would at least describe as a legitamet human right that i totally support and sympathise with..
And frankly i smell the unpleasant and rather brutal tone of the people of SDN who used to crush every IMG who dared to to speak about & invistigate their beloved "NEUROSURGERY"
@wonder: sorry but i can't help finding their finger prints in the picture you painted..
@Imalaa:
thank you for being honest & standing for what you believe..
More:
1_i personally know a guy who is an IMG & a PGY3 resident in CHICAGO
i contacted him _as he has the same nationality i have_ and the only thing he emphasied on regarding the prerequisites to get a neurosurgery residency was the research background
2_a friend of mine _ who has strong connections_ told me that: "just do your exams and come here _ to U.S_ and i'll hook you up in the most possibly prestigious program as far as my connections can take you" and added in sarcasm: "to your very crushing disappointment, even here in america connections not only matter,they matter the most"
3_@all friends here: don't let any one tell you what your limitations are because he/she does not know you enough
+the world is full with people who find pleasure in cheating , crushing & derailing people , especially dreamers..
4_@wonde: you can search the program i mentioned..and find out if i told you the truth.
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Default general sugery vs. neurosugery

Giving those scores, doing general sugery is really a waste esp if you do not like them. The life-work balance is none. US meds student does not really wants to go general sugery. So if you look at the FA you will find that above 200 for US grad they usu. match into general sugery. Neurosugery is a very different ball game. It is a much rewarding specialty in terms of survery from these specialities ( not just monetary-compensation. I could say this as I have done 5 years of stroke clinical trials in a top international company.) I would strongly recommend you to try to do neurosugery. And have a back-up plan for enhancing your match just in case if you do not match this year.(it is highly unlikely.... but to do something you are really passionate about by taking one extra year might not be bad tradeoff.)You have gone so far for so long already. You will have no regret if you know you have done your best in the end.

THe first English sentence I learnt is "Where there is will there is a way."
Aiming high but do have a back-up plan with strong family and friend support you will achieve your goal.
Best of Luck.
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i just today was with a neurosurgeon in new jersey and he is from egypt

he told me that every thing is possible in usa and don't listen to people trying to make you down .

so i agree with imalaa .
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I already picked general surgery at my home country, so i have great chances to match at a prestigious residency program? I'm at university hospital here, and i'll receive a good deal of clinical training. What do you think? I think people like Wonder are definitely apt to bring people down, because they once failed. There're no clear-cut statistics to assume such depressive facts.
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