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Default Match chances in top program ! Do answer please

Hello Everyone.
I would like to ask a question about my chances in getting into top universities like UTSW, MGH, BWH, John hopkins, Cleveland clinic, Upenn etc.

Step 1 - 234
Step 2 - 239
both passed in internship.
Step 2 Cs passed
GRaduated in 2014 ( this year ).
Started research ( in Mount Sinai Ichan School of medicine- main branch ).
Have 2 publications as co author in basic science research on HIV.
Doing clinical research as well ( don't know about the publication yet )
Right now shadowing the same doctor I am working with.
Going to do 2 externship too.
Have green card.
planning to apply on next september.

Please Reply. I want to know how high i can go with this background.
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Take a look at the interview invites thread for this years match. It does seem that things are getting more competitive each year.

Obviously there is more to an application than scores and stats, but without strong connections (or rather even if you do have strong connections) you should be realistic and apply broadly to include mid/low-tier university and community programs.

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thank you so much. Definitely, I am going to apply broadly, but What do you think about my application ? Is it strong enough? I know its about connection but still ! and what are the mid tier programs if you can tell me few names ! that will be really helpful.
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With the exception of maybe Cleveland Clinic, I don't think you have a good shot at any of the programs you mentioned. You do have good scores, but I don't think they are good enough. There are literally thousands of US graduates who want to go to residency at those places, and they generally have an unwritten policy of limiting the number of foreign grads (regardless of citizenship). I have a friend whose brother had scores in the 250+ range on both steps. He was applying for anesthesiology. Despite excellent credentials and US citizenship, a friend of his at an Ivy league program told him not to apply because as soon as they see you went to a caribbean medical school, your application goes in the trash.

I think you've got a great shot at getting a residency position when you apply, but I wouldn't count on matching at the places you mentioned. Good luck
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There are guys with scores 260+ and more publications than you, and they have not even gotten interviews at those top programs.

You should definitely apply to top programs anyway, and if you have strong contacts maybe you'll get an interview, but I don't think you have a shot at any top program. Mid-tier university based, probably. Good luck.
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Sorry to disappoint you, but you have zero chance at these programs. In my opinion, the likelihood of you getting into a university program is quite low.
For a strong foreign grad your scores are weak. You don't have many publications, and the number (not even the quality!) of publications is unfortunately the way most programs evaluate your research experience.

PhD in US/Crazy global health experience/very strong connections/other unusual achievements can obviously change the situation. People don't care much about your scores if you have a PhD from Harvard.
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Hello Everyone.
I would like to ask a question about my chances in getting into top universities like UTSW, MGH, BWH, John hopkins, Cleveland clinic, Upenn etc.

Step 1 - 234
Step 2 - 239
both passed in internship.
Step 2 Cs passed
GRaduated in 2014 ( this year ).
Started research ( in Mount Sinai Ichan School of medicine- main branch ).
Have 2 publications as co author in basic science research on HIV.
Doing clinical research as well ( don't know about the publication yet )
Right now shadowing the same doctor I am working with.
Going to do 2 externship too.
Have green card.
planning to apply on next september.

Please Reply. I want to know how high i can go with this background.
Hey Cleveland and UTSW are perhaps the only places that take IMGs. Rest are IMG shy. So basically you have chances of getting in these two places for sure. But doing 1 year research in Mt.Sinai may be not enough. Your scores are good but try to stick and get 2-3 years research and at least 1-2 publication in Good Journals if you are working in Bench Research. You have GC, so thats an advantage. If you do so you got a fair chance in these two programs and numerous good mid-tier universities in USA.
Good luck!!
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Well, thanks for the response.
I do believe you about the zero chances in that top tier programs.
But I don't believe you in chances of university program is low, because my lot of friends with 220 scores and without connections and even without research are in many university programs because of green card. Besides 220 plus score is more than enough to get in university based programs because it is more than 98 percentile.
My best friend is in mount Sinai and he doesn't even has a green card. 230 + 240 and step 3 pass and 4 months of clinical experience.
So It is over hyped that IMGs don't have chances to get in university based programs.
Sorry.
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Hey avash nrs : thanks. My one publication is in the top most journal : American journal of hepatology. And thanks for the response. You are perfectly right.
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Well, thanks for the response.
Besides 220 plus score is more than enough to get in university based programs because it is more than 98 percentile.
Hm.. I don't know how you get that above 220 is more than 98 percentile. As the mean for step 1 224 with SD 22, to be above 98 percentile you need to get score mean + 2SD that will be 224 + 44 = 268 (Those mean and SD were when took the test March 2013).

This is the graph that we study on step 1 regarding percentile and its relationship with mean and SD in normal distribution curve. http://www.regentsprep.org/regents/m...rmallesson.htm

If you want to know your percentile, you can use this website: http://www.usmlegunner.com/2013/02/u...ercentile.html

Now, regarding your question of your chances to match at top programs, I'd say you need to honestly weighing your competitiveness. Score wise, it's a good score but not stellar. You have advantages of having GC, publications, research. Univ programs rely heavily on research experience so that may play in favor for you. Not sure if it is enough to get you to top places, but to univ programs yes you have a chance.

That said, don't be too confident. Apply wide. You can see the ongoing specialty thread and see for yourself the credentials of those getting IV from these places. I have seen several people got burned by applying only to top places w/o realizing how competitive they are. They got IV but in the end they did not match because those who get called are probably more competitive than your profile.

So keep your dream high, but do apply to mid and low tier programs. Unless if you rather not matching than going to programs less of your standard.

Best of luck.

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Well, First of all thank you for your reply. I was talking about the percentile system according to old scoring. And so where 234 stand for 99 according to old scoring, the same value is given according to the new scoring even it says it is less than 99 percentile as they don't give percentile anymore so we don't know how do they count evev though many websites are available.

You are completely right that I have a good chance for good university based programs but I should apply broadly rather than being limited to good programs.

Thank you so much once again. It was really helpful and supportive.
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Well, First of all thank you for your reply. I was talking about the percentile system according to old scoring. And so where 234 stand for 99 according to old scoring, the same value is given according to the new scoring even it says it is less than 99 percentile as they don't give percentile anymore so we don't know how do they count evev though many websites are available.
According to usmle.org one of the reason they eliminate the two digit score is because people often mistaken it as percentile. It's not percentile nor the percent of correct answers as what rumored. Here's the answer from USMLE.org
http://www.usmle.org/frequently-asked-questions/#scores

On the very last point of FAQ. I'm not trying to argue with you.. Just that we need to understand how our scores compared with others in order to objectively weigh our competitiveness.

Research and pubs surely help a lot for getting univ IV. Advance degree like master/PhD also help.

Best of luck mate!
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Of course,
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as you know lot of things, can I ask you a question ?
According to you, which are the mid tier programs ?. I want to know
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That I cannot give you the right answer. I asked a lot of people about that too. None gave me exact answer. But here are some aspect that you can consider when weighing a program:

1. Their Board passing rate you can google specialty wise.
2. The publications/researches by their graduates/residents.
3. Any review in scutwork.com
4. Ask the forums for reputations and how the residents perceive their programs in terms of teaching quality, etc.

That just about all I know on this topic..
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lol okay. I asked many ppl too.
Thank you .
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Hey avash nrs : thanks. My one publication is in the top most journal : American journal of hepatology. And thanks for the response. You are perfectly right.
Wow that is a top Journal for sure!! Just continue your hard work and dream big!! You will definitely make it!!
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