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Warning! Don't hire third party editors to write for you

Keep in mind to all active ERAS participants, using third party editors puts you at risk for having plagiarized content which constitutes irregular behavior, which of course makes you a candidate to get dropped from the match process and receive no monetary compensation. How can you be sure, the editing company you use is not gonna give you content already used with other applicants? Really, you cant.

Remember, some get away with this, others do not. It's up to you. Are your previous sacrifices in this journey worth the $100-$995 these "companies" are asking? I hope not. My advice is not to go this route. PD's know that we studied medicine, not journalism or Literature and composition. All they want is your VOICE.

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Dear theartofbone,

These Personal Statement and CV writing companies have been thriving in modern US history.

Not only for residency applicants, but also college admissions, and job seeking.

Maybe you don't understand the American personality.

People in US, look for impressions and appearances. If you look polished and well versed, you'll make the impression and you'll make the impact and I think it worth the money.

As far as plagiarism, you shouldn't worry about it. Because the idea is not to copy and paste other sentences, the idea is to edit your sentence, your info, your data, your own words, in a way to make it more professional and more impressive.

Think about it
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Dear theartofbone,

These Personal Statement and CV writing companies have been thriving in modern US history.

Not only for residency applicants, but also college admissions, and job seeking.

Maybe you don't understand the American personality.

People in US, look for impressions and appearances. If you look polished and well versed, you'll make the impression and you'll make the impact and I think it worth the money.

As far as plagiarism, you shouldn't worry about it. Because the idea is not to copy and paste other sentences, the idea is to edit your sentence, your info, your data, your own words, in a way to make it more professional and more impressive.

Think about it
I understand your concern Mary and please understand that my rebuttals to your statements are just for arguments sake.

Because a business thrives does not mean it is good nor should it imply its righteousness. Look at the Cartels and drug dealers propagating narcotics and killing innocents -- they do handsomely well, but are they okay? I don't think so.

As per the American culture, if you are the expert, then I invite you to trust in our roots. We got our independence based on bravery, good morals and unquestionable virtue, not by saying partial truths or partially fighting. In fact, I see this as being analagous to open-source software; anyone can contribute, as long as it is good. Whether it works or not, having someone write for you and assume your voice, no matter how you look at it is not being honest, and if caught, it will cost you a residency.

All AMGs receive reminders from their schools and all IMGS received multiple e-mails from ECFMG and ERAS reminding them of this. Concerning all the legal loopholes in our great country, can you tell me the difference between someone having a friend or mentor edit and review a P.S for free vs. someone paying for a service? That reminds me the argument the Jon told the Cop, "But I didnt pay her!!"

One more thing, looking polished and well versed looks great no matter where you are; it is not an unique trait to the American Culture, it is something all humans/cultures strive for.

Sure, I can cheat in a game of monopoly, or play dirty basketball when I'm loosing, but for Residency? Why risk something so important?

Cheers & best of luck.
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Idea!

I agree to Mary's opinion but the point raised the theartofbone is very important & cannot be overlooked. I think then u have to decide for yourself, if you are willing to take the risk of getting a plagiarized PS in hopes of getting a good PS.

I dont know about the recent policies but this link is almost a year old.

https://www.aamc.org/members/osr/upd...orts_eras.html

If ERAS starts using any software like turnitin or similar anti plagiarism softwares to check for plagiarized content then Personnel Statements written by a same person are very likely to get flagged.
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And finally, even if everything goes “right” and a statement that you did not write gets accepted and you get an interview invitation, you are in a hot water. If your speech and writing skills are not equal to what is in your personal statement, this will become apparent to all interviewers and your professional skills will be judged appropriately. So, the picture should be pretty clear, it is extremely likely that plagiarism will get revealed.
Source;
http://imgresidency.com/wiki/index.p...ent_plagiarism

I hope this helps people to make an informed decision....
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I agree to Mary's opinion but the point raised the theartofbone is very important & cannot be overlooked. I think then u have to decide for yourself, if you are willing to take the risk of getting a plagiarized PS in hopes of getting a good PS.

I dont know about the recent policies but this link is almost a year old.

https://www.aamc.org/members/osr/upd...orts_eras.html

If ERAS starts using any software like turnitin or similar anti plagiarism softwares to check for plagiarized content then Personnel Statements written by a same person are very likely to get flagged.
Source;
http://imgresidency.com/wiki/index.p...ent_plagiarism

I hope this helps people to make an informed decision....
Step1an, thanks for the link, I have found an additional one to share with the forum: http://www.ecfmg.org/eras/applicants...-behavior.html . The whole article, especially the last paragraph supports what has been discussed in this thread.

If you need further reminder, go to your e-mail inbox and find the message you received when you registered your Eras Token, it is titled "Please send us your ERAS documents for scanning". I invite everyone interested to research further.

I believe this is an addressable issue that needs to be out here in the open.


If you get caught, it is gonna suck.

Cheers, and may we all match.

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Let me explain it once again, hopefully this time you get my point.

I am not saying that plagiarism is OK and am not saying that you should do it.

The point here, my friends, is that these companies are not plagiarizing your PS, (at least the reputable companies such as the Draft Editor). They are EDITING your own material and make it more professional.

This is just like you submit an article to a medical journal and then the chief editor modify your article to suit the style of the journal.

Guys, there are thousands and thousands of college and med school students who have hired these companies to help them write in a better way, it's perfectly legal and it's NOT IRREGULAR BEHAVIOR.

This is just like instead of asking your old brother to help you with the PS (for free) you hire a company (for money) and they help you.

You should not ask them to write it all. You should (and they should) just edit what you have written.

For example,
you wrote: I really like to join american residency.
they edit it into: I am highly ambitious about actualizing my dreams of enrolling into your reputable residency program.

Did you get what I mean!!!
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I remember you started this story by hitting on the ResidencyPro Sticky Thread but then the mods moved it to a separte thread.

I don't think you are right about that also.

That guy is helping applicants organize their application just like how this website is helping people! His intention is not to plagiarize your PS, his intention is to maximize your chances for a fee.

Would you go read the entire US constitution and the US laws and then go submit all the legal papers in the court! No, you don't do that, you hire a lawyer to help you, because this will maximize your chance of winning the case, would you call that plagiarism? I don't think so ...
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I remember you started this story by hitting on the ResidencyPro Sticky Thread but then the mods moved it to a separte thread.

I don't think you are right about that also.

That guy is helping applicants organize their application just like how this website is helping people! His intention is not to plagiarize your PS, his intention is to maximize your chances for a fee.

Would you go read the entire US constitution and the US laws and then go submit all the legal papers in the court! No, you don't do that, you hire a lawyer to help you, because this will maximize your chance of winning the case, would you call that plagiarism? I don't think so ...
Mary I understood you 100% the first time, however it looks like you did not understand me. Don’t get offended, I am not against you.

I am just pointing out alternatives to those who are not as paranoid or as pessimistic as I am. You can not believe everything you see. Sometimes it is better to walk around vigilant vs innocently – just as there is good (like you), there are thieves amongst us everywhere you go.

As per hitting up that other thread, yeah, I agree, kind of trolling, but luckily the Mod moved it for me. I apologized and am moving on forwards...

The author of said sticky post claims to be an “insider” because he or she knows/understands the full workings of ONE program in ONE hospital. He attributes his limited knowledge to a much wider field – he is generalizing and wrongfully assuming that the truths in his institution are the same in another. Heck, go to each program within the same hospital’s website and they have way different set ups and condition criteria, and of course different Program Directors. To each his own. Do you act 100% like your brother or sister? 100% like your parants? What about 100% identical to a stranger --- yeah,, right. In fact, recall your Step 1 knowledge; this whole ordeal and the propagation of “insider knowledge” claims are sort of that like what occurs when there is a Selection Bias, where the sample is not representative of the whole picture. When you find truth, it is better to say “I have found a truth” vs, “I have found THE truth”. There are many ways to bake a cake.

Our big brother, the doctor in question, perhaps his work does deserve merit & does help certain individuals, but I am just saying, BE WISE, BE CAUTIOUS. His actions in itself is reportable and can cause his whole program to loose funding; the ACGME takes all reports seriously and they do investigate. You can not even call a program during match and *hint* at them that you will rank them, for that is irregular behavior. Now imagine, an insider editing a portion of your application, reviewing that application and giving you preference.

I acknowledge that others have gone through to using 3rd parties successfully & without repercussions, but it is true that there are those who have been caught, and that is fact. There is a fine line between having work edited and plagiarism.


Yes, this guy is helping people organize their application, but really, does he or she authentically care about you? Why is he charging $995 for “helping” ? Remember, if he ‘helps’ A LOT, then the $1000 was worth it, but you have more chances of getting marked as having potentially plagiarized portions in your application. If this third party editor is cautious for you and only makes minor edits, being careful not to get you caught, shoot, is then the ONE THOUSAND Dollars justifiable? Might as well have done nothing.

Remember that you are a Doctor and you have been taught to analyze and conclude to your own opinions based on previous understandings. You’ve been learned on how to read a person from the moment they walk into your office. In fact, prior to beginning your journey, you had a pre-inclination towards how the human spirit & mind work. You ought to be skilled at knowing when something is fishy.

My only advise to those reading this thread and to those that will flame me, be beyond reproach. If you don’t want to get accused for setting your neighbors house on fire, then don’t carry matches or lighters with you. If you don’t want that dog to bite your leg, then don’t kick him while he is starved and eating. This is called being Beyond Reproach.

Lastly, when you write your notes, and speak to your patients, you will not have a third party sitting behind you shoulder.

This should be enough reason to at least make some people reconsider their decisions on third party editors for any portion of your MyEras, specifically the P.S portion.

Lastly, I’ve noticed that we (this forum) must be really unique and quite special because instead of Residency Pro utilizing his time to help himself, his own family, his own friends, perhaps even those who’ve admired his doctorhood and that he’s helped pave the way for, he dedicates it to us, because he wants to help!

Remember, those who have gotten caught grieve deeply -- while Mr. and Ms. Third party can say, ‘shoot, $995? Thanks, that’s just what I needed for this month’s Mercedez-Benz payment or at least a portion of my mortgage.’

If it happened to someone else, it can happen to you, or to me. If caught, don’t expect any condolences or an apology letter from them.

Cheers & Good luck.
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hi all..as i see this.

asking someone to look at ur ps for fancy style is not a bad idea at all.
but hey do you wanna really pay for it? who has this sort of oozing money?
now let say ur already millionaire, but do u wanna hire someone to DRESS UP ur PS.

NOW this buzz of how competitive ur applicaton is somewhat dependent on ur ps is probably true. ( i am not sure about the magnitude of it, though).

all i know ur PS SHOULD HAVE some original idea that should be pop up on first reading. B'cas no one has time to read it second time. know ur readability index ! they r going to look at what lies between ur words. not abt fancy way u wanna do to convey ur IDEA.

what drives to hire someone for PS? its the paranoia about getting into residency i suppose. they don't wanna leave any stone unturned. carefull about this stone though, might really hit on ur head.

Ahh..now if someone is paranoid enough to hire someone to make his/her PS look fancy ( bases on pragmatism i must say), he/she better make sure understands what his doing.

well its not hard to tell if this particular PS is professionally edited.

if program director IS ONLY looking for fancy PS..there u go. u have the match. but they r not dumb enough to do that. ( spare outliers)

PS- KNOW WHAT UR DOING..AND ITS REPERCUSSION.
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