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Guys i really need your advice!! I'm IMG, US permanent resident and a Caribbean medical student. I had to withdraw out of my first medical school due to financial reasons. Had to transfer to another Caribbean medical school, which is not approved for NY, California, Texas and Florida residency. I recently took my Step 1 exam and scored a 245 in it. I was thinking about transferring to more recognized Caribbean medical school such as Ross medical school, which is approved in all states. They offer better clinical rotations. More residency spots to apply at. Do you recommend this? This would be my third medical school and i do have some gaps on my CV. What would you guys recommend????
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First off, congrats on a great score! I'm not sure but based on the lack of accreditation of your current school, I'm not positive if Ross or the other big caribbean schools will accept your transfer. You might want to call and find out if it's possible before applying. If it is possible, three transfers are going to stick out like a sore thumb, but I don't think many will fault you for transferring up (especially if you can say you did so for better clinical experience/financial assistance/etc). If the reason for transferring from the first school was financial, I don't see many faulting you for that, although some may assume you didn't plan things out properly before starting (unless something unforeseen occured). I imagine if a program takes IMG's that your application won't be filtered out because of your step score but they are going to have questions if you're offered an interview.

In terms of more states to apply for residency, I'm not sure transferring will help. There are some rules about having your basic sciences done at an approved school(s). I don't know if they have changed recently but it is worth looking into

Longterm board certification however can be achieved in any state, even California and Texas, and even if you go to a disapproved school. You have to be board certified in a state for a minimum of 10 years I think if you are at a disapproved school and then it won't matter where you graduated from. Your best bet is to either research these things thoroughly (contacting schools and state boards) or just apply to the handful of Carib schools you want to and see what happens. Good luck
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Longterm board certification however can be achieved in any state, even California and Texas, and even if you go to a disapproved school. You have to be board certified in a state for a minimum of 10 years I think if you are at a disapproved school and then it won't matter where you graduated from. Your best bet is to either research these things thoroughly (contacting schools and state boards) or just apply to the handful of Carib schools you want to and see what happens. Good luck

Unless I misread the California law, I thought it stated if your school is not on the disapproved list, just simply unrecognized, it's 4 years board certified, but if you're on the disapproved list it's something insane like >20years.


I either misremembered or they recently changed the code, but here's the law:

(2) (A) (i) For an applicant who acquired any part of his or her medical education from an unrecognized foreign medical school, he or she holds an unlimited and unrestricted license as a physician and surgeon in another state, a federal territory, or a Canadian province and has held that license and continuously practiced for a minimum of 10 years prior to the date of application.
(ii) For an applicant who acquired any part of his or her professional instruction from a foreign medical school that was disapproved by the board at the time he or she attended the school, he or she holds an unlimited and unrestricted license as a physician and surgeon in another state, a federal territory, or a Canadian province and has held that license and continuously practiced for a minimum of 12 years prior to the date of application.


Second, you need to make sure you graduate medical school in under 7 years. You said you have CV gaps, if you have CV gaps in medical school education and you end up taking longer than 7 years from initial point of entry into medical school (first medical school start of graduate education was my understanding), many states won't approve you for a full medical license.

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Yeah, they changed the law very recently, saw it on the valuemd forum recently on the SMU page I think. Thanks for updating that for us ketafol!
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Second, you need to make sure you graduate medical school in under 7 years. You said you have CV gaps, if you have CV gaps in medical school education and you end up taking longer than 7 years from initial point of entry into medical school (first medical school start of graduate education was my understanding), many states won't approve you for a full medical license.
I just clarified this second part with a residency director. The 7 year stipulation is from the day you take step 1, not the day you matriculate medical school. Once you take step 1, you have 7 years from that date to complete step 2ck/cs and step 3.

To the OP, if you have never taken step 1, you are still safe for board eligibility, but you will have to explain your transfers and gaps. Good luck
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I just clarified this second part with a residency director. The 7 year stipulation is from the day you take step 1, not the day you matriculate medical school. Once you take step 1, you have 7 years from that date to complete step 2ck/cs and step 3.

To the OP, if you have never taken step 1, you are still safe for board eligibility, but you will have to explain your transfers and gaps. Good luck
Thank for your reply and clarification on this issue! It makes a'lot of sense now!
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Dear colleagues, first i would like to thank you all for taking time reading and answering my question, I would like to inquire:

1- if an IMG who completed his MD in 3 different medical schools will be eligible for ECFMG certification and taking USMLE?
entered 1st med school in 2005 and graduated from last med school 2012.

2- The reason to transfer from the second school was that it was closing, the credits earned was accepted by the third school (diploma awarding school), this credits will be accepted by ECFMG?

Thank you and looking forward to hear some answers.
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Dear colleagues, first i would like to thank you all for taking time reading and answering my question, I would like to inquire:

1- if an IMG who completed his MD in 3 different medical schools will be eligible for ECFMG certification and taking USMLE?
entered 1st med school in 2005 and graduated from last med school 2012.

2- The reason to transfer from the second school was that it was closing, the credits earned was accepted by the third school (diploma awarding school), this credits will be accepted by ECFMG?

Thank you and looking forward to hear some answers.
1 - Being ECFMG certified shouldn't be a problem, but since at least one of your schools closed, it will be more difficult. Since the credits transferred over to the institution where your final medical diploma was granted, you will need to obtain verified copies of your transcript from the original school that closed down. I don't know what country you are from, but some nations have a notarized depository of educational records for institutions that shut down. You are going to need to find out who has your official transcript records from the school that closed and hope they have an official way of confirming and verifying their authenticity in a manner approved by the ECFMG.

2) ECFMG won't care why you transferred, but they will care if the credits earned were not obtained at a school that was WHO/IMED certified (or whatever list they use these days). If any transfer credits used towards your degree were issued by an unapproved school according the current ECFMG list, you will most likely not be eligible for ECFMG certification. Good luck
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1 - Being ECFMG certified shouldn't be a problem, but since at least one of your schools closed, it will be more difficult. Since the credits transferred over to the institution where your final medical diploma was granted, you will need to obtain verified copies of your transcript from the original school that closed down. I don't know what country you are from, but some nations have a notarized depository of educational records for institutions that shut down. You are going to need to find out who has your official transcript records from the school that closed and hope they have an official way of confirming and verifying their authenticity in a manner approved by the ECFMG.

2) ECFMG won't care why you transferred, but they will care if the credits earned were not obtained at a school that was WHO/IMED certified (or whatever list they use these days). If any transfer credits used towards your degree were issued by an unapproved school according the current ECFMG list, you will most likely not be eligible for ECFMG certification. Good luck
Thanks for the answer, the school which closed down was approved at the time of operation, in the worst scenario if i m not able eligible to sit for steps with my current academic history, what way do you suggest to become eligible? ask ecfmg for exception or appeal or do medicine again, or what?

how can i find out if i am eligible or not before applying to ecfmg?
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Your situation is pretty complex and unique. I don't think ECFMG will make any exceptions for a scenario like this and any appeal you have is likely to be denied. Your best bet would be to contact ECFMG and find out directly from them because I don't think many people on these forums will have gone through what you have. Good luck

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Thanks for the answer, the school which closed down was approved at the time of operation, in the worst scenario if i m not able eligible to sit for steps with my current academic history, what way do you suggest to become eligible? ask ecfmg for exception or appeal or do medicine again, or what?

how can i find out if i am eligible or not before applying to ecfmg?
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