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I am an international medical graduate, US citizen attend an Australian medical school-

My step 1 is 197
Step 2 CK - 231
Step 2 CS - not taken yet


I want to know what is my chance at the moment and should I proceed with step 2 CS and step 3?

and looking at these scores alone, are they considered good or bad for matching?
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I don't think anyone can exactly tell you what your chances are but I think having strong LORS, USCEs, and a great Personal statement will help! Although scores do matter , where there is a will, there is a way! Good luck!
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What i can definitely tell you is that your CK makes you look better. Having a big jump of 30+ points from your Step 1 score to your Step 2CK will be looked upon as a big improvement. Ofcourse no one can tell you the chances of you matching because it is often dependent on other variables. But if i were you i will be confident at this point, clear CS, and then work on other aspects of the application. Also note that scores vary by specialty/program, so make sure you apply to programs that match your credentials and apply broadly.
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I am an international medical graduate, US citizen attend an Australian medical school-

My step 1 is 197
Step 2 CK - 231
Step 2 CS - not taken yet


I want to know what is my chance at the moment and should I proceed with step 2 CS and step 3?

and looking at these scores alone, are they considered good or bad for matching?


At the moment your chance is 0% since you didn't apply, right no chance if you haven't applied? I'm sorry I get snarky, but without giving proper details nobody can give you can accurate assessment. Any anecdotal stories can support/hinder your hopes, but since we are clinicians and scientist lets be logical.

Example: Said Visa not needed (means more programs available to apply to) = increased odds, Aussie school = possibly CA can apply = more programs available to you that others can't apply = increased odds.

Now what you left out:

Specialty desired
USCE
How many attempts on steps (first attempts gives you better chance)
YOG
Publications

http://www.nrmp.org/wp-content/uploa...2014-Final.pdf

Charting outcomes gives you an IDEA, remember last year doesn't determine this year and often the following year can be MORE competitive unless something happens. Sometimes large portion of students decide against going into certain fields.


197 really sinks you, but you might get lucky snagging a community program that has trouble filling in Family Medicine/Peds. I think passing CS ASAP, submitting your application in day ERAS opens THEN also passing Step 3 comfortably will show any PD your step 1 was a bad day.

Best of Luck !

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At the moment your chance is 0% since you didn't apply, right no chance if you haven't applied? I'm sorry I get snarky, but without giving proper details nobody can give you can accurate assessment. Any anecdotal stories can support/hinder your hopes, but since we are clinicians and scientist lets be logical.

Example: Said Visa not needed (means more programs available to apply to) = increased odds, Aussie school = possibly CA can apply = more programs available to you that others can't apply = increased odds.

Now what you left out:

Specialty desired
USCE
How many attempts on steps (first attempts gives you better chance)
YOG
Publications

http://www.nrmp.org/wp-content/uploa...2014-Final.pdf

Charting outcomes gives you an IDEA, remember last year doesn't determine this year and often the following year can be MORE competitive unless something happens. Sometimes large portion of students decide against going into certain fields.


197 really sinks you, but you might get lucky snagging a community program that has trouble filling in Family Medicine/Peds. I think passing CS ASAP, submitting your application in day ERAS opens THEN also passing Step 3 comfortably will show any PD your step 1 was a bad day.

Best of Luck !


Thank you, my step1 preparation didn't go as planned as during the same month of the exam I had end of rotation assessment (OBGYN OSCEs and Multiple choices as well as moving to a new apartment). I am considering retaking step1 with a proper study period. I've only done one each. Would you suggest that option?
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I don't mean to be a jerk, but you need to do much more research. Once you have passed step 1 (current minimum score of 192), you are not allowed to retake it. You are stuck with the scores you have. Your step 1 score will likely get you screened out of many programs so your best bet is to chose a specialty you want, demonstrate you are committed to that field and try to make as many connections as you can
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I don't mean to be a jerk, but you need to do much more research. Once you have passed step 1 (current minimum score of 192), you are not allowed to retake it. You are stuck with the scores you have. Your step 1 score will likely get you screened out of many programs so your best bet is to chose a specialty you want, demonstrate you are committed to that field and try to make as many connections as you can
I have been working on three orthopedic papers, they are yet to be published but I hope they will play a big part.
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You didn't answer my queries so how can we give you accurate advice?

People get snarky because they don't answer questions directly, but give circuitous response that still doesn't address the prior queries.

I'm going to deduct that since you're trying to publish ortho research you want to pursue ortho or surgery. Ya, that's probably not going to happen. Maybe, but I'd say the odds are heavily against you with a 197.
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You didn't answer my queries so how can we give you accurate advice?

People get snarky because they don't answer questions directly, but give circuitous response that still doesn't address the prior queries.

I'm going to deduct that since you're trying to publish ortho research you want to pursue ortho or surgery. Ya, that's probably not going to happen. Maybe, but I'd say the odds are heavily against you with a 197.

Is it really necessary to call me snarky? In what why am I snarky?

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I don't think he was calling you snarky, but rather calling him/herself and possibly even me snarky for the way in which we answered your questions. Ketafol has succeeded in matching anesthesia and comes on here to help everyone out. Without knowing the full picture, it is difficult for anyone to give you the best, most realistic piece of advice.

Looking at the scores alone, I'd say your chances in any field are low. Many programs use cutoffs and most of them are at 200 or higher. Even though you improved greatly, you will be filtered out unless there is an advocate in the program for you. Your visa status will help you, but only if someone sees your application. If you applying for ortho/surgery, I would honestly focus on another specialty. Research is good, but if you end up applying to psych, you are going to have a hard time convincing PDs you are genuinely interested in their field with all of those ortho publications. YOG is another cutoff, but you'll be weeded out by the 197 before that comes into play. USCE is becoming increasingly important for fields like peds/family/IM. If I was you I would either 1) figure out which fields I am reasonably competitive for that I would be happy with and apply to it 2) apply for surgery pre-lim and try to make connections that route or 3) focus on finding a good career in Australia. Good luck
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I don't think he was calling you snarky, but rather calling him/herself and possibly even me snarky for the way in which we answered your questions. Ketafol has succeeded in matching anesthesia and comes on here to help everyone out. Without knowing the full picture, it is difficult for anyone to give you the best, most realistic piece of advice.

Looking at the scores alone, I'd say your chances in any field are low. Many programs use cutoffs and most of them are at 200 or higher. Even though you improved greatly, you will be filtered out unless there is an advocate in the program for you. Your visa status will help you, but only if someone sees your application. If you applying for ortho/surgery, I would honestly focus on another specialty. Research is good, but if you end up applying to psych, you are going to have a hard time convincing PDs you are genuinely interested in their field with all of those ortho publications. YOG is another cutoff, but you'll be weeded out by the 197 before that comes into play. USCE is becoming increasingly important for fields like peds/family/IM. If I was you I would either 1) figure out which fields I am reasonably competitive for that I would be happy with and apply to it 2) apply for surgery pre-lim and try to make connections that route or 3) focus on finding a good career in Australia. Good luck

Hey thanks, I will start internship in Australia this year. I initially wanted to do Orthopedic but I know it's nearly (probably) impossible since my step 1 score. I started to work on Ortho research since before my step 1 and I don't want to quit midway ending up getting nothing published. I have considered doing Emergency, Family Med or Psychiatry.

I want to know what my options are so I can plan whether I should continue the residency in Australia or should I take step 2 CS and apply for internship spot in USA. The most likely path is remaining in Australia, which isn't a bad option to be honest. Perhaps I will focus on my internship at the moment to build my referee and experiences.
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but rather calling him/herself and possibly even me snarky for the way in which we answered your questions.

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I have considered doing Emergency, Family Med or Psychiatry.

I want to know what my options are so I can plan whether I should continue the residency in Australia or should I take step 2 CS and apply for internship spot in USA. The most likely path is remaining in Australia, which isn't a bad option to be honest. Perhaps I will focus on my internship at the moment to build my referee and experiences.
EM = not without SLOE (EM specific letter even then I'd say essentially less than 5%.

Ortho = same as above

FM/Psych = Doable, but you need to apply wisely looking at websites and hopefully finding programs that have graduates from your school
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hey ketafol: i need some advice too. i am an IMG, dec 2011 grad, step 1 220, step 2 212, CS result awaited, currently doin an OBS at a private clinic in USA.
planning to apply in IM....
what's your analysis on my situation?
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ortho is out. psych, fam and path are good options.
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ortho is out. psych, fam and path are good options.
Agree with the above


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hey ketafol: i need some advice too. i am an IMG, dec 2011 grad, step 1 220, step 2 212, CS result awaited, currently doin an OBS at a private clinic in USA.
planning to apply in IM....
what's your analysis on my situation?
You'll find your answer here: http://www.ask8ball.net/

I'm not a PD and I don't have any experience in IM residency pursuit. Sorry!
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[QUOTE=Ketafol;776881]Agree with the above


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You'll find your answer here: http://www.ask8ball.net/

I'm not a PD and I don't have any experience in IM residency pursuit. Sorry!
LOLLLLL..... u r so funny ..... an i can see you might never become a PD.... all the best buddy... enjoy ur desert....
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Agree with the above




LOLLLLL..... u r so funny ..... an i can see you might never become a PD.... all the best buddy... enjoy ur desert....

I don't have the patience to be a PD nor the disposition.

I was giving you an honest answer. Asking me my opinion is like asking the 8ball. Your best best is to go by charting outcomes to assess your status to make an educated decision then target programs that best match your status unless your rich then you can just apply to every IM program.
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I would say stay from Ortho and never try to add it to your CV. You are a citizen and your year of Graduation is recent, so focus on Family and Psych. That's your best bet. Good Luck.
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