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Was looking for a family residency 2016 applicants thread but couldnt find one so i am starting one...family medicine residency applicant can gather here and discuss the upcoming match...so any body else applying for 2016 family medicine residency??
share your credentials
mine are
step 1:222
ck:234
cs: pass first attempt
usce: almost 8 months all clinic based
No visa needed(GC)
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YOG:2010
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Hi usmleb,
Since I'm applying for FM this year, I thought to post my credentials. Good luck to us all!

Step 1:203
Ck:228
Cs: Pass 1st attempt
USCE: 2 yrs
US citizen
Carib Grad
YOG:2015
Currently in research
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great credentials...fresh graduate and a lot of USCE makes u a very strong candidate...good luck!!
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USMLE's all first attempt.
Step 1:233
Ck:202
CS: Pass
Step 3: 206
USCE: almost 3 months all clinic based adding more
2 + Years research at University of Toronto and 2+ Private clinic experience and 1 year of observership in University hospitals in Canada
Visa Needed (Canadian Citizen)
Iraqi graduate
YOG:2008

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welcome Tayeb and good luck!!
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Hello guys.Count me in too. Step1 -218 CS -1st attempt ck - due July. No FM Usce 3-IM usce .can a IM lor be used for FM residency ? Any basic IMG friendly list for FM to start working on it. Tq .
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Hi i am img with step 1 and 2 score 245/245 and waiting for step 2 cs result.If i fail step 2 cs,should i apply to family medicine ?and what r my chances for match with 1 cs attempt?
I have 3 moths USCE.
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Hello/Salam everyone.
I have a query. I am done with Step 1 & CS, CK is due in July IA. Should I get the token now or wait until I'm done with CK?
How much time approx. will it take for the documents to be uploaded if i start the process in August?
Also I'll be ECFMG certified after my result comes in SEPT 16 & the certification takes another 2-3 wks, so will this affect my application? As most programs want applicants to be certified before applying..
Please give your sincere advises.. Thanks alot
Good luck everyone. May we all get what's best for us Ameen.
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Step1: will take in september
Step2: 230 2nd attempt
CS: first attempt
USCE: 2 months of ID at clinic with rotations in hospital. looking for more university based ones until October
US citizen
YOG: Nov 2012.

I dont know if i can be lucky
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step 1 : 215
ck: next month
cs: pass second attempt
usce: observership for 2 months
visa is needed
YOG :2011
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I'm really nervous to start this process like most of us here. I am really interested in matching to family medicine. How many programs should we apply to give ourselves a fighting chance?

Step 1: 228
Step 2 CK: 247
Step 2 CS: Pass on 1st attempt
USCE: All my core rotations, and currently doing all my electives.
Visa: J1 needed, Canadian citizen.
YOG: 2015 from a Caribbean School
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You would not worry at all. Make sure to apply to IM as well. Apply to as many programs as you can afford. If you get 6 + interviews, your match rate will be 99%
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You would not worry at all. Make sure to apply to IM as well. Apply to as many programs as you can afford. If you get 6 + interviews, your match rate will be 99%


Absolutely, I'm definitely going to apply to IM. Thanks!
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Hello/Salam everyone.
I have a query. I am done with Step 1 & CS, CK is due in July IA. Should I get the token now or wait until I'm done with CK?
How much time approx. will it take for the documents to be uploaded if i start the process in August?
Also I'll be ECFMG certified after my result comes in SEPT 16 & the certification takes another 2-3 wks, so will this affect my application? As most programs want applicants to be certified before applying..
Please give your sincere advises.. Thanks alot
Good luck everyone. May we all get what's best for us Ameen.
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Faith! Don't worry. Immediately you pass all 3 exams 1 ck and cs, you get certified. U will receive an email from ecfmg congratulating you a day or 2 after your ck results that your certificate is on its way to your address.
The paper certification is wat takes days to 2 weeks depending on your address. But in theory you get certified on the very day. So for you it would be 16th sept. Hope that helps.
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Faith! Don't worry. Immediately you pass all 3 exams 1 ck and cs, you get certified. U will receive an email from ecfmg congratulating you a day or 2 after your ck results that your certificate is on its way to your address.
The paper certification is wat takes days to 2 weeks depending on your address. But in theory you get certified on the very day. So for you it would be 16th sept. Hope that helps.
Thanks for replying @nsesereso. How's CK prep going? When are u taking it?
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Thanks for replying @nsesereso. How's CK prep going? When are u taking it?
Wen am ready. I have now done 30% u world. I am yet to do pedics, OBGYN, psychiatry and biostatistics from MTB2 have not touched mtb3 yet only few chapters of medicine. With this in mind when do you think, would be idea for the exams?
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Wen am ready. I have now done 30% u world. I am yet to do pedics, OBGYN, psychiatry and biostatistics from MTB2 have not touched mtb3 yet only few chapters of medicine. With this in mind when do you think, would be idea for the exams?
Well for Med. MTB 3 is not good, do MTB 2 that should be good enough. And ofcourse UW. Frankly speaking it all depends how much time r u investing in UW per day? If u r able to do 1 block/day with explanation, then u should be ready by sept. GL !!
Rest i can guide u better once i am done. Wish me luck !! Tc
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Well for Med. MTB 3 is not good, do MTB 2 that should be good enough. And ofcourse UW. Frankly speaking it all depends how much time r u investing in UW per day? If u r able to do 1 block/day with explanation, then u should be ready by sept. GL !!
Rest i can guide u better once i am done. Wish me luck !! Tc
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I think I had very bad credentials but still sharing year of graduation 2008.IMG but no visa required.step1 223( 2nd attempt) step2 217(2nd attempt)waiting for CS. No US clinical Experience. Can anyone tell me do I have any chances?
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Hi guys,Do you have a list for IMG friendly programs that I can use in my search for the programs that I will apply this year,I'm planning to apply as a backup for IM, and can I use IM LORs in FM ?

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InshaAllah end of this month !!
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step 1: 220
step2 ck: 233 second attempt
step 2 CS: pass first attempt
YOG: 2012
2 months observership
2 years research
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do I have a good chance???
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could you please put a sample of FM personal statement???
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Visa Required
YOG: 2008
Step1: 232
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Step 1 - 228
Step 2 ck - 242
Step 2 CS - pass
Step 3 - 226
2012 YOG
2mo US observership
3mo US volunt
3 US LoR
US BLS active
3 home country pubs
3 years of home country residency in Cardiology
1.5 years home country research

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What are the programs that are foreign friendly for family medicine?

Is there a list for it?
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Hi guys, I am applying for FM too this year.

Step 1 = 242, first attempt
Step 2 CK = 228, first attempt
Step 2 CS = Pass, first attempt
YOG = 2013
3 months of Observership
Visa required

Does anyone have a list or is making an IMG friendly list of FM programs? Is there any whatsapp group? If any of the above, count me in!!
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step 1: 202
CK:249
CS: first attempt
USCE: 2 years
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YOG: 2015
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US IMG /2014 grad/step 1 225, Ck 225/ Cs pass 2nd attempt/step 3 195/6 months USCE(externship) 4 month observership
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Hey guys I know people say to apply to as many programs as you can, but what do you think would be sufficient? 200 programs?
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Hey guys will be applying to family med as a back up for Peds
Step 1 >215
Step 2 CK >250
CS: Passed
YOG: 2013
1 month Observership
6 publications
VISA needed

Does anyone have any lists with IMG friendly programs for FM?
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I am 2010 graduate, this is my first match, i am interested in applying FM
all 3 LORs i have are from IM , Can i still apply in FM? how would it impact my application for FM?
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why is everyone posting their credentials - how are other people's credentials helpful?

It would only be helpful if you post the list of schools you are applying to
Or if you matched then post your credentials
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Step 1: 210
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CS: Pass first attempt
USCE: 2 years
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Step 1: 210
CK:229
CS: Pass first attempt
USCE: 2 years
US Citizen
YOG: 2016

what are my chances of matching?

No one can tell your chances unless you provide a list of schools you applied to? For example if you only applied to Harvard your chances are 0%

Both your USMLE scores are below average, you are an IMG. Unless you do well on your interviews your chances are not that great probably 10-20% match probability

What are your M3 clinical grades, any school failures and red flags besides low step scores and being an IMG?
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IMG/254/259/cs pass/step 3 pending/7 months usce(3 m externship)/2007 grad.

When I researched in eras, looks like FM is very tough to get in for old grads. DO any of u know any programs that take old grads in FM?
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Here's my credentials

step one 198
step 2: 223
CS: pass
YOG: 2015

dismissal from US school during 3rd year

2 years USCE

research in college and high school, none in medical school
plethora of experiences and extracurricular activities.

I really hope I match.
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what are my chances of matching?


I think your chances of matching are pretty good. Family medicine isn't really all about how well you score, a lot of it is also on your personality and the strength of your letters of recommendation
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Step 1:227
CK:233
CS: pass first attempt
USCE: 2 years
Canadian (visa needed)
Caribbean Graduate
YOG:2015
4 LORs (PD-IM, Ortho, Chief of Cardio, FM clinic elective)
Programs Applied: 108
Good CV: 2 research exp, 11 volunteer exp

I am very nervous about this match. I am finishing my last rotation (psych).
Any advice for me?
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No one can tell your chances unless you provide a list of schools you applied to? For example if you only applied to Harvard your chances are 0%

Both your USMLE scores are below average, you are an IMG. Unless you do well on your interviews your chances are not that great probably 10-20% match probability

What are your M3 clinical grades, any school failures and red flags besides low step scores and being an IMG?

I personally disagree with this assessment. FM overwhelmingly prefer US citizens over non-us imgs and are fairly forgiving over scores when you dont need a visa. I'd say his chances are significantly higher than 10-20%. However if he were in need of a visa then yes most definitely 10-20%.

Just make sure that you apply to as many programs as possible that are reasonable (ie not harvard)
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which program and what are your stats?
With trying to remain somewhat anonymous, a rural-ish Southern Cali program.

Stats: 230s, US Cit.
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Hi Guys! I am currenty studying Medicine and surgery in Italy. I am a US citizen. I would like to specialize in FAMILY MEDICINE. I'll graduate in 2018. Since I've always worked to pay for University taxes, I have a 3 years gap period. Do PD care about GAP periods during medical school?
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Scottsdale Osborn Medical Center Program Family Medicine. first $22 to go down the drain.
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Hi Guys! I am currenty studying Medicine and surgery in Italy. I am a US citizen. I would like to specialize in FAMILY MEDICINE. I'll graduate in 2018. Since I've always worked to pay for University taxes, I have a 3 years gap period. Do PD care about GAP periods during medical school?
yeah they do care, just fill it in with something you did, preferably related to medicine. if not then you can still relate how that experience is related to medicine.
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what are my chances of matching?

scores aren't everything... you will match if you apply broadly and make sure your app is strong in other areas (LORs, PS, etc.)
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Can you please tell us your credentials and if you need visa? I wont ask which program but can you please tell us which state or region in the US? THANKS!
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Can you please tell us your credentials and if you need visa? I wont ask which program but can you please tell us which state or region in the US? THANKS!
I don't believe scores matter much in my case or in any case for FM, mine aren't incredible but I passed them all on first attempt. But I worked extra hard on perfecting my PS and CV which showed my true passion for FM (lots of volunteering, 1 research, a few work experiences). 2 yrs USCE. fresh grad. US citizen. No connections. IV in southeast.

Also- positive thinking always helps
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Can u guys please tell how many programs have u applied to? I have applied to 70, do u think it is good enough??
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I just realized my credentials were clear.

I'm hoping that I'll match so I can give some hope to the underdogs, you know like if you keep going despite hardships you can make it kind of story.

My step one: 198 (81)
Step 2: 223
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all are on first attempts

Step 3: not yet taken

year 3: failed 3 rotations at mid-tier US school leading to dismissal - one failed clerkship leading to a shelf fail, then later on another clerkship fail.

took off for about 1.5 years in between to fix deficiencies then transferred into Caribbean school that gave me all my transfer credits.

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research in high school with award and basic science research in college. No research in medical school but I have community involvements and many work/extracurricular experiences.

For all those that are as a little bit feeling afraid, I think we can match.

We can! Yes We Can!!! Maybe too early to be saying that? I really want to say that though...
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I don't believe scores matter much in my case or in any case for FM, mine aren't incredible but I passed them all on first attempt. But I worked extra hard on perfecting my PS and CV which showed my true passion for FM (lots of volunteering, 1 research, a few work experiences). 2 yrs USCE. fresh grad. US citizen. No connections. IV in southeast.

Also- positive thinking always helps
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thank you for being positive! Good luck to us!
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just my 2 cents :

As a current resident reviewing the applications (>1000 already submitted for a measly 4-5 spots, but majority are IMGs) I will say that usually this is what we do to narrow down field

1) Filter for people living in the region / filter people needing a visa (program doesn't sponsor visas)
2) Filter out more than 2 attempts in Step 1
3) Filter out people with failures in Step 2 CS
this has wiltered it down to about 400-500 applications
we then pick our interviewees but before e-mailing them out we screen for major red flags (arrested, dropped out, etc. etc.)
we end up interview about 10-20 people per spot


I feel actual clinical research publications (esp. in field of family medicine) trump all other "extracurriculars, etc."

I mean how hard is it to join a club or volunteer - sure you put in time and effort but pretty much every medical student has this. Pretty much everyone has some sort of "club"

On the other hand, how hard is it to get a peer reviewed publication out? 100000000x harder than joining a club, etc.

At the end of the day you need to fit the personality of the program and have some sort of value that can be added. What makes you stand out (in a good way) from all the 1000000 applicants??

I would make sure also that your communication skills and interpersonal skills are strong - nothing worse than an awkward person giving answers like their memorized them before hand.

Also my stats are not that great - I was a USMG from a low tiered medical school with step1/2 scores < 200s and matched in my first choice of FM. Applied to 100+ programs got to my surprised 80 interviews. Went on 20 interviews for FM and 10 interviews for IM. Was dead by the end of January.

Probably my biggest plus was showing how I stood out from the other students - had over 20 peer-reviewed publications in family medicine and other clinical specialities and I honored in almost every 3rd and 4th year clerkship and had great LORs

Although I didn't have the strongest communication skills practiced with my fmaily and classmates and made sure I spoke naturally (so answers dont seem rehearsed, memorized, etc.)

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Hey so you should get this info/ workshop if you attend the AAFP conference sometime this year.

We have one specifically in our state to prepare students for their interviews.


Every program is different in what they look for - for GENERAL CONSENSUS I found this document useful. Someone posted on SDN when I was a student.

https://www.med.umich.edu/medstudent...ents_match.pdf


But with regards to our program this is what we look for:

in no particular order



1) No major red flags - i.e. multiple step failures
-FM is forgiving to some degree regarding grades (I think if you are IMG they are less forgiving)
-as long as you have not shown that you are a complete ##@# with failures left and right in school and USMLE and you have scores >200 I think you should be okay.

2) Genuine interest in family medicine
-leadership roles in family medicine
-publications in family medicine
-clubs that relate to family mediicne where you actually play a real role
-volunteering, etc.

3) Strong communication skills
-demonstrate in interview

4) Depends on the program - but commitment to serve the region / personality, etc.
-if you noticed some residency programs in some states have pretty much only residents from that particular area (either grew up there, have a family there, or went to medical school there)
-some residency programs seem to only take people with families
-personality is also very importnat - do you fit the culture of their program?

5) Things that make you stand out
-international electives where you saved 10000 orphans (exagerating but you get my point)
-actual research / publications (I feel this is much more improtan than "clubs/volunteer" - it takes a lot more hard work)
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Just received a rejection from Contra Costa (Martinez, CA)
reason stated is years since graduation.

Was not expecting anything from them anyways based on their Current Residents page being all AMGs

My stats: Step 1: 254/Step 2: 260, Passed CS, Green Card

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reason stated is years since graduation.

Was not expecting anything from them anyways based on their Current Residents page being all AMGs

My stats: Step 1: 254/Step 2: 260, Passed CS, Green Card
I applied there too this season, still haven't heard anything. Your scores are amazing for any specialty, you deserve to match into a top program and I hope you find one which is lenient on the years issues.
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has anyone received any calls from a doctor claiming to be from a 'midwest medical education organization' recruiting doctors? someone called me and stated that they were very interested in my application and they legit knew everything on ERAS application, including my research and undergrad hx. The person asked me what programs I applied to, and i just said that I really liked family medicine but i applied to IM too. I was very nervous when he asked the question and couldn't lie as I had no idea what hospital he was calling from. He refused to answer my question when I asked.

Has anyone received a similar call?
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has anyone received any calls from a doctor claiming to be from a 'midwest medical education organization' recruiting doctors? someone called me and stated that they were very interested in my application and they legit knew everything on ERAS application, including my research and undergrad hx. The person asked me what programs I applied to, and i just said that I really liked family medicine but i applied to IM too. I was very nervous when he asked the question and couldn't lie as I had no idea what hospital he was calling from. He refused to answer my question when I asked.

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nope. not here. congrats on getting phone call.
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I got my first interview invite today, after biting my nails the entire night worrying about my not verified yet ecfmg certification. This goes out to all the underdogs that might have been feeling really down like the way I was for the last few years: don't let anyone dictate what you can and cannot do, especially if they're not even remotely close to the field that you want to go into. There are a lot of naysayers and people that don't forgive very easily, but I think everyone has their flaws but also a lot of things that makes them special as well, just play to your strengths and work on the weaknesses and hold your chin up. I think with time and experience we gain confidence and with that it's a lot easier to succeed. Please don't let other people make you feel less than a human. You are literally starstuff!
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Congrats to all those who have received interviews. Are any of you interviewing at East Coast programs? I am putting a lot of hope into the "Prefer applicants from the area" thing. I am hoping that east cost programs haven't sent out invitations yet.
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Congrats to all those who have received interviews. Are any of you interviewing at East Coast programs? I am putting a lot of hope into the "Prefer applicants from the area" thing. I am hoping that east cost programs haven't sent out invitations yet.
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I got my first interview invite today, after biting my nails the entire night worrying about my not verified yet ecfmg certification. This goes out to all the underdogs that might have been feeling really down like the way I was for the last few years: don't let anyone dictate what you can and cannot do, especially if they're not even remotely close to the field that you want to go into. There are a lot of naysayers and people that don't forgive very easily, but I think everyone has their flaws but also a lot of things that makes them special as well, just play to your strengths and work on the weaknesses and hold your chin up. I think with time and experience we gain confidence and with that it's a lot easier to succeed. Please don't let other people make you feel less than a human. You are literally starstuff!
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Congrats to all those who have received interviews. Are any of you interviewing at East Coast programs? I am putting a lot of hope into the "Prefer applicants from the area" thing. I am hoping that east cost programs haven't sent out invitations yet.
I can tell you several east coast programs have already sent out invitations - I am counting at least 6 from the sub-is working in our depratment.

No one will release info regarding which schools are sending out invites since everyone is competing.... if they told you which program is releasing interviews then everyone will e-mail the PD /send in their applications to that program (increasing competitiion)

October 1st when MSPEs get released should be a big date historically for interview invites

Also one of my SUb-is got a phone invite from a program and they her give a date of availibility right away on the phone.
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I can tell you several east coast programs have already sent out invitations - I am counting at least 6 from the sub-is working in our depratment.

No one will release info regarding which schools are sending out invites since everyone is competing.... if they told you which program is releasing interviews then everyone will e-mail the PD /send in their applications to that program (increasing competitiion)

October 1st when MSPEs get released should be a big date historically for interview invites

Also one of my SUb-is got a phone invite from a program and they her give a date of availibility right away on the phone.

Great points, I guess I'll keep mine silent too (Assuming I get any haha)
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I was in Kansas City and attended the convention this past July, Not very encouraging for FMG

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2. Scores above 220 first time Steps 1 and 2
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4. Prefer California Listed schools
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A few said 2 years graduation or less.

Still I found a few to apply to
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I was in Kansas City and attended the convention this past July, Not very encouraging for FMG

1. Many programs look for 3 years or less graduation
2. Scores above 220 first time Steps 1 and 2
3. Prefer USMG
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5. Will not sponsor Visas

A few said 2 years graduation or less.

Still I found a few to apply to
I find that extremely hard to believe considering 2/3 of img that matched in family scored below 220 according to nrmp
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Some programs are pretty selective when it comes to scores. One IM program in particular states a minimum of 250/250 for its interviews.
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Some programs are pretty selective when it comes to scores. One IM program in particular states a minimum of 250/250 for its interviews.

I hope they are not only interested in test takers but other aspects too.
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I find that extremely hard to believe considering 2/3 of img that matched in family scored below 220 according to nrmp
So you went to Kansas City in 2015? Guess I saw you there. My point is until you interview the programs and directors looking at old stats tells you nothing, they are using screening software more and more. I talked to about 80% of the programs at KC over 3 days to find out where I should apply.

Believe what you want you will anyway.

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I hope they are not only interested in test takers but other aspects too.
Thats why score is not everything to some programs, but when it comes to FMG's its more common for the step 1 score first attempt to be screened. A few residencies do look at other things such as PS and LORs. The secrete is to know which ones and in four years of trying to match I have yet to find them. I hope I did this year

PS Don't read into the past statistics as the final answer on how programs will match people there are newer Program Directors this year and the game keeps changing. Over 4,000 US Grads did not match last year so there is a push to match USMGs this year more than ever. There are no "left over spots" in 2015
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Thats why score is not everything to some programs, but when it comes to FMG's its more common for the step 1 score first attempt to be screened. A few residencies do look at other things such as PS and LORs. The secrete is to know which ones and in four years of trying to match I have yet to find them. I hope I did this year

PS Don't read into the past statistics as the final answer on how programs will match people there are newer Program Directors this year and the game keeps changing. Over 4,000 US Grads did not match last year so there is a push to match USMGs this year more than ever. There are no "left over spots" in 2015
Seriouslyy??
Over 4000 USMGs didn't match last yr !! OMG this news is enough for me to start panicking

BTW don't PDs look at your application as a whole?
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Over 4000 USMGs didn't match last yr !! OMG this news is enough for me to start panicking

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Yes and no, What happens now is so many apply to multispecialties that some one claiming that Fm is the one for them is not taken as seriously now many PDs just screen and interview 3 to one spot knowing they will fill so reading 1000 apps or more will not happen. In some residencies the screening then interview is everything.
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Over 4000 USMGs didn't match last yr !! OMG this news is enough for me to start panicking

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No this is incorrect. US Senior match rate was 93.9% last year leaving 1100 people unmatched. I don't know where this fabricated number came from.
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No this is incorrect. US Senior match rate was 93.9% last year leaving 1100 people unmatched. I don't know where this fabricated number came from.
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I'm part of that group not matched so far as many others
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Yeah I think I'll believe an official report rather than some anecdotal number. The idea that 25% of USMGs went unmatched is just ludicrous. And I never said there weren't enough spots.
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So you went to Kansas City in 2015? Guess I saw you there. My point is until you interview the programs and directors looking at old stats tells you nothing, they are using screening software more and more. I talked to about 80% of the programs at KC over 3 days to find out where I should apply.

Believe what you want you will anyway.

First of all NRMP is based off real statistics from last year's match so it's not 'old' second don't spread lies and false statements. How can u sit here and lie and say most programs have a cut off score above 220 when 1/3 of imga matched below that score. I don't even have 220 and still got interviews. So no I don't need to go to Kansas city. I have all the facts I need from 2015 official nrmp data

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First of all NRMP is based off real statistics from last year's match so it's not 'old' second don't spread lies and false statements. How can u sit here and lie and say most programs have a cut off score above 220 when 1/3 of imga matched below that score. I don't even have 220 and still got interviews. So no I don't need to go to Kansas city. I have all the facts I need from 2015 official nrmp data
I can't and wont fight with you,
Did not lie I never said you have to have 220 I said they look for scores of 220 even for FM this year


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1. Many programs look for 3 years or less graduation
2. Scores above 220 first time Steps 1 and 2
3. Prefer USMG
4. Prefer California Listed schools
5. Will not sponsor Visas

A few said 2 years graduation or less.
It does not say "MUST HAVE" stop baiting me

I will clarify for others though

Many Programs said to me this list in Kansas City:

1. look for 3 years or less graduation
2. Prefer Scores above 220 first time Steps 1 and 2
3. Prefer USMG
4. Prefer California Listed schools
5. Will not sponsor Visas

So if you are a USMG yes they may not care you just passed Step 1,2 your not an FMG/IMG So the NRMP Data may support this under 200 idea



As for the other stuff I posted:

I will not disclose where I get some of my info.

But I know people are naive and believe the official releases not doubting the real stories behind the scenes. I've done extensive research and spoke with many residencies besides being involved with the process.

There are over 10,000 more applicants than spots in the USA last year and this year. The ones who did not match may be in the cycle again this year so the number increases is my point. My number was a guess, based on different factors and I will admit not all are US Medical Grads some are US citizens who are graduates of medical schools too.

You want real life read this ( not my blog) Did not match

Look I'm an FMG myself and its tough out there

Everytime I post real info on these sites I get people coming after me saying its not so, yet like me some end up not matching, if matching was not a problem we all would be in a residency already................I've said enough good luck everyone.

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buddy you got one interview no need to go all out...sure you have a chance but its just one interview...control your emos
remember when you first got your interview? I think that's how I felt. I called my mom the next minute and afterwards cried for a half hour. It's just nice to be validated, you know. I worked really really hard even as a teenager, often giving up lunch time to do math problems, got up early to report the weather, then stayed late after school for extracurriculars and competitions, every day. On weekends again I was constantly studying, and then during summer again I was doing research or working. It just never stopped, I loved feeling productive though. I guess all of this just makes me feel a little better. My family was fairly poor when I was growing up, and for me to have a chance at obtaining my dream job, that my mother's decision to stay in the USA for my education was not in vain, that's why I got emotional.
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I was in Kansas City and attended the convention this past July, Not very encouraging for FMG

1. Many programs look for 3 years or less graduation
2. Scores above 220 first time Steps 1 and 2
3. Prefer USMG
4. Prefer California Listed schools
5. Will not sponsor Visas

A few said 2 years graduation or less.

Still I found a few to apply to
1. All programs in all specialties prefer recent graduates
2. All programs in all specialties prefer higher scoring candidates
3. All programs in all specialties prefer US MDs
4. All programs in all specialties prefer Cali approved schools
5. All programs in all specialties prefer US citizens/GC holders

Nothing these program directors told you is very specific or useful
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Yeah I think I'll believe an official report rather than some anecdotal number. The idea that 25% of USMGs went unmatched is just ludicrous. And I never said there weren't enough spots.
I think this number can be misleading - "25% of USMGs went unmatched"

There are quite a few USMGs that are a piece of work. My US school included so not surprised they went unmatched (we had several people fail step 2 several times compouded with low marks, etc. etc. Also these USMGs may have applied for competitive specialties because you have to be a very incompetent US student to not match into FM.

But if you look at % US SENIORS (not former US grads) went unmatched for family medicine it was almost zero I believe (didn't double check numbers for this year). I remember about 1% (defintely less than 2% went unmatched for US US seniors (not former US grads)

% of FMGs that match into FM is also really good - I believe around 70-80% not bad so long story short FMGs have a chance for family medicine (not expert for other fields) Eeven though I am so glad I am not one. I can empathsize with your difficult situation. But really if you want to matchin US go to US school if you want to match in Carribean or whatever country then you go to that country's medical school.

But just from my experience rotating with FMGs/IMGs and having IMGs work as medical students at our program - you guys really need to improve your communication skills like when you are presenting to attendings or making presentations for other residents. I can't think of any IMGs that I worked with that had strong communication skills. For the most part you guys seem intelligent and nice but man I can't understand what you guys are saying. Sometimes too quiet/shy, low confidence, speaking too fast, heavy accent, wrong grammar, most of the times combination of all the above. This is just my personal experience probably diff for alot of other people.

Make sure you guys practice thoroughly for interviews.

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remember when you first got your interview? I think that's how I felt. I called my mom the next minute and afterwards cried for a half hour. It's just nice to be validated, you know. I worked really really hard even as a teenager, often giving up lunch time to do math problems, got up early to report the weather, then stayed late after school for extracurriculars and competitions, every day. On weekends again I was constantly studying, and then during summer again I was doing research or working. It just never stopped, I loved feeling productive though. I guess all of this just makes me feel a little better. My family was fairly poor when I was growing up, and for me to have a chance at obtaining my dream job, that my mother's decision to stay in the USA for my education was not in vain, that's why I got emotional.
-called my mom but minus the crying for half hour.
-Let's hope you are a girl? If you can't handle your emos for an interview invite what about death of patients and more serious/heavy scenarios.
-be honest but try to avoid telling people about things that would make people perceive you as weak/unfit for a physically/emotionally heavy job.
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sakic26, don't you think you are over dramatizing radioactive's response? The situation is not the same as a dying patient. Demonstrate some empathy. His/her journey was very complicated and making it to this point is commendable.
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1. All programs in all specialties prefer recent graduates
2. All programs in all specialties prefer higher scoring candidates
3. All programs in all specialties prefer US MDs
4. All programs in all specialties prefer Cali approved schools
5. All programs in all specialties prefer US citizens/GC holders

Nothing these program directors told you is very specific or useful
Been in the match going on 4 years and it was not like this 5 years ago, there were unfilled spots after the match now that is rare,

Prefer Recent grads as in 2 to 3 year out of school max for a match yes this is significant.
They do not just prefer GC its going towards US citizens prefered so its Significant.

You do understand this is how they set filters with the Screener Software ERAS has right? So yes its significant.

The California list is not a good authority, California does not visit schools regularly.

Its good to question Program Directors, some said they would not interview FMGs, I know one residency in TN who will not and does not interview FMGs because all NON US Schools are inferior.

Like I said believe what you want. You will anyway...................
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Any body received that email from the program asking for filling the online survey?
which program r u talking about?
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