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I hope everybody is doing well in this year's match. I need advice from all of you guys. So far I had only 2 ivs in this season. My credentials are very average with yog 2012, 229/234/cs pass/step 3 pass/4 months USCE/doing research for the past 3 months in Harvard but without any publications and applied to around 300 programs. My question is should I expect more ivs or not in december and january? Because this is almost end of November because of coming holidays. I tried to contact the programs but so far have not got any positive response. Should I look at any other options other than residency now?
I am looking for some good advice at this moment.

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From talking to friends who have matched last year (IMGs), they got a bunch of interviews at the end of November and beginning of December. A friend of mine who had step 1 (230s) and step 2 (240s) ended up cancelling interviews because he had 10+ and he got most of them during the later months!
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From talking to friends who have matched last year (IMGs), they got a bunch of interviews at the end of November and beginning of December. A friend of mine who had step 1 (230s) and step 2 (240s) ended up cancelling interviews because he had 10+ and he got most of them during the later months!
Do you mind sharing his YOG and visa status??
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Well, then his application was a very good one.
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I am so disappointed with the season so far. I have no idea what was so bad in my application that i managed to get only 4 IVs. Anyway i really hope it isnt the end of the season although it pretty much looks like it. I emailed programs too and the majority of the ones that replied said their interview slots were full.
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I am so disappointed with the season so far. I have no idea what was so bad in my application that i managed to get only 4 IVs. Anyway i really hope it isnt the end of the season although it pretty much looks like it. I emailed programs too and the majority of the ones that replied said their interview slots were full.
I have similar credentials and am in the same boat as you brother. At this point, I really don't know what to do. I think we can't do anything else apart from waiting
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I am so disappointed with the season so far. I have no idea what was so bad in my application that i managed to get only 4 IVs. Anyway i really hope it isnt the end of the season although it pretty much looks like it. I emailed programs too and the majority of the ones that replied said their interview slots were full.
at least you got a reply

what a waste of time emailing and expressing interest.

AMGs are even doing it(student doctor network) that is how bad the match has become
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I'm pretty much wondering the same thing. I still have just 4 interviews with my credentials and wondering if I should apply to more programs. Does anyone think it would help at this stage?
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I'm pretty much wondering the same thing. I still have just 4 interviews with my credentials and wondering if I should apply to more programs. Does anyone think it would help at this stage?
Did you apply to all the IMG friendly places? I doubt applying to other places which are less friendly would help. But i guess you should get more people's opinion on this. How many programs did you apply to anyway??
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Did you apply to all the IMG friendly places? I doubt applying to other places which are less friendly would help. But i guess you should get more people's opinion on this. How many programs did you apply to anyway??
I shortlisted the most IMG friendly places and got down to 95. That's the number I applied to. Now wishing I had applied to more. I was just quite confident with my stats.
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What are the chances of someone matching with 4 interviews? I have gotten 4 so far, old IMG, YOG 2009, Scores: 22x, 22x, Pass, Step 3 not taken. 5 months Obs, no research, US citizen

Gives me some hope that may be it's not over yet...let's hope so!

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I know the feeling. I was also very confident that i would at least get 7 IVs. I applied to around 150 with the same results as you.
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Doesnt this look weird compared to the previous season?
I know there have been rumors that IMGs are going to slowly fade away from the scene, but such drastic change is very unexpected. I mean there are thousands of spots for IMGS and surely they could not have been filled by AMGS this fast.
From studentdoctor I get that it has become common to apply to more programs for AMGs and doing more IVs. But if the reason is just that, a lot of programs will end up unfilled. What do you guys think?
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I think this year no matter how your scores are preference are given to those who doesn't require a VISA.
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I agree. I know people of the same YOG as me with scores in 220's but have GC getting more IVs than me.
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Turns out i am not alone. 1 interview so far. Seeing guys with better credentials with 1-2 interviews I get really skeptical about applying next year. But if not what are the options for IMgs? What other careers can we pursue?
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I think this year no matter how your scores are preference are given to those who doesn't require a VISA.

Its not that black and white buddy. I dont need visa and my credentials are not horrible but yet only 1 IV. I guess IMGs are being screwed generally regardless of their competence.
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I don't need visa, but still stuck with only 1 IV, although i am thankful for it. I don't understand where are all the IVs going. I guess there are so many carib grads out there that IMGs chances are getting lesser
I applied to only FM though, really hoping and praying to match (Ameen)
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I don't need visa, but still stuck with only 1 IV, although i am thankful for it. I don't understand where are all the IVs going. I guess there are so many carib grads out there that IMGs chances are getting lesser
I applied to only FM though, really hoping and praying to match (Ameen)

I applied almost 200 IM and FM combined. I've seen people that applied for over 300 programs, have better scores and fresher YOG that have only 2-3 IV. Horrifying facts. Kind of takes away all the hope and strength away.

I personally don't even think its worth to try next year if the situation will be similar. Its a lot of money and nerves wasted for something that doesn't look possible any more. If I had a lot of money saved and didn't have to work, I would definitely try many years in a row because I love medicine too much. Eventually I think its possible. But in real life that's just crazy difficult to go through.....
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I don't need visa, but still stuck with only 1 IV, although i am thankful for it. I don't understand where are all the IVs going. I guess there are so many carib grads out there that IMGs chances are getting lesser
I applied to only FM though, really hoping and praying to match (Ameen)
Not just us Caribs, but they opened up a bunch of new US schools that are just starting to graduate 4th years. We're struggling too, buddy. I am a USIMG and I have 4 interviews for IM.
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Not just us Caribs, but they opened up a bunch of new US schools that are just starting to graduate 4th years. We're struggling too, buddy. I am a USIMG and I have 4 interviews for IM.

Could you share your credentials, please.
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I thought I shared them in the big list, but maybe not.

Step 1: 223, Step 2CK: 245, Step 2 CS: pass (all first try), 16 mo USCE, USIMG

YOG will be Jan 2016
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I applied almost 200 IM and FM combined. I've seen people that applied for over 300 programs, have better scores and fresher YOG that have only 2-3 IV. Horrifying facts. Kind of takes away all the hope and strength away.

I personally don't even think its worth to try next year if the situation will be similar. Its a lot of money and nerves wasted for something that doesn't look possible any more. If I had a lot of money saved and didn't have to work, I would definitely try many years in a row because I love medicine too much. Eventually I think its possible. But in real life that's just crazy difficult to go through.....

Yeah i know, it's so depressing. IDK what else can we do. I have been gaining USCE since 2013, so i have around 7 USCE in diff. hosp. and clinics all around 3-6 mth long. Anyway all i know is if ALLAH (God) wants us to match, no one can overcome that. Just keep your faith strong..
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Good luck to you and IA you will match!

I have a question though, how do you get USCE? I have heard that it's near impossible to get externship for old IMGs..

I have heard that one needs malpractice insurance?

What are the hoops you had to jump through to land one of those USCE? Any words of wisdom?


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Yeah i know, it's so depressing. IDK what else can we do. I have been gaining USCE since 2013, so i have around 7 USCE in diff. hosp. and clinics all around 3-6 mth long. Anyway all i know is if ALLAH (God) wants us to match, no one can overcome that. Just keep your faith strong..
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Good luck to you and IA you will match!

I have a question though, how do you get USCE? I have heard that it's near impossible to get externship for old IMGs..

I have heard that one needs malpractice insurance?

What are the hoops you had to jump through to land one of those USCE? Any words of wisdom?
Well, i am not really an old IMG, Graduated in 2013. I talked to the doctors, told them what i am doing, so they agreed to let me work under them. Some refused too. Anyways thanks for your well- wishes, and GL to you.
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I thought I shared them in the big list, but maybe not.

Step 1: 223, Step 2CK: 245, Step 2 CS: pass (all first try), 16 mo USCE, USIMG

YOG will be Jan 2016

Well this kind of information hurts me so badly. First I thought my problem is 2010 YOG and the lack of hands on USCE. You have neither of this problems and still 4 IVs. This basically means there is no hope. Even if I manage to gain some hands on for next season (which I dont know how) I wont increase my chances significantly. This sucks.


How many programs did you apply to?
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Yeah i know, it's so depressing. IDK what else can we do. I have been gaining USCE since 2013, so i have around 7 USCE in diff. hosp. and clinics all around 3-6 mth long. Anyway all i know is if ALLAH (God) wants us to match, no one can overcome that. Just keep your faith strong..


I wish I had some hope like you do. At least I wouldn't freak out 3-4 times a day.

Anyway thanks for support.
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Well this kind of information hurts me so badly. First I thought my problem is 2010 YOG and the lack of hands on USCE. You have neither of this problems and still 4 IVs. This basically means there is no hope. Even if I manage to gain some hands on for next season (which I dont know how) I wont increase my chances significantly. This sucks.


How many programs did you apply to?

Hal,

That wasn't my intention (to hurt you). I applied to 130 IM programs. Several ppl from my school have 0 interviews, and they have better scores than me. Looking at the master list we have put together, there are people that I have better scores than with more interviews than me. It's just been a weird year buddy.

Where's your home country? Are you 100% against practicing back home? Do you have any friends in the states that are physicians?
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That wasn't my intention (to hurt you). I applied to 130 IM programs. Several ppl from my school have 0 interviews, and they have better scores than me. Looking at the master list we have put together, there are people that I have better scores than with more interviews than me. It's just been a weird year buddy.

Where's your home country? Are you 100% against practicing back home? Do you have any friends in the states that are physicians?

The reality is hurtful. You have nothing to do with it, pal. Thank you for sharing your information.


It's not about my desire regarding the location. I just have been living in US for the last 4 years. I readjusted my entire life while passing USMLE steps and acquiring my current credentials. This is my home now. So moving back would mean doing it all over again. Plus I spent 3 years to get that damn ECFMG certificate and learn English. EVEN thinking about throwing everything away makes me nauseous

Yes. I have several MD friends here. But how can they help? They helped me to find observerships, they gave me advice which I followed, they helped to find a research position. I have done everything by protocol. I dont know what else can be done. I was thinking about going to med school here but I dont think I can survive that 4 years financially. How can you make enough money to pay rent and buy food when you have seminars/lectures to attend and tests to take.
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The reality is hurtful. You have nothing to do with it, pal. Thank you for sharing your information.


It's not about my desire regarding the location. I just have been living in US for the last 4 years. I readjusted my entire life while passing USMLE steps and acquiring my current credentials. This is my home now. So moving back would mean doing it all over again. Plus I spent 3 years to get that damn ECFMG certificate and learn English. EVEN thinking about throwing everything away makes me nauseous

Yes. I have several MD friends here. But how can they help? They helped me to find observerships, they gave me advice which I followed, they helped to find a research position. I have done everything by protocol. I dont know what else can be done. I was thinking about going to med school here but I dont think I can survive that 4 years financially. How can you make enough money to pay rent and buy food when you have seminars/lectures to attend and tests to take.
I was gonna suggest trying to get some observerships, but you've already done that. Are any of your friends involved in research?

Also, are you 100% only interested in IM? Did you try for any FM?
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It's not about my desire regarding the location. I just have been living in US for the last 4 years. I readjusted my entire life while passing USMLE steps and acquiring my current credentials. This is my home now. So moving back would mean doing it all over again. Plus I spent 3 years to get that damn ECFMG certificate and learn English. EVEN thinking about throwing everything away makes me nauseous

Yes. I have several MD friends here. But how can they help? They helped me to find observerships, they gave me advice which I followed, they helped to find a research position. I have done everything by protocol. I dont know what else can be done. I was thinking about going to med school here but I dont think I can survive that 4 years financially. How can you make enough money to pay rent and buy food when you have seminars/lectures to attend and tests to take.
Not a lot of people can relate to us. I moved here 2012 & gave up my fellowship.. Not about money or location for me too. Being with the family with a normal future + a chance to probably work as a doctor here as the bonus (that's how I see.. A bonus outcome).

About the original topic, I am hoping to pass the CS, and hoping to get a few more IVs, hoping to match March.. Hoping & praying in that order.

Someone asked what they can do in the meantime with regards to work.. Working as medical technologist in NJ & TX is an option - check google, these dont require state certifications to work in the field. Pay is about 55-65k per year. Upper end if you accept extra shifts.
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I was gonna suggest trying to get some observerships, but you've already done that. Are any of your friends involved in research?

Also, are you 100% only interested in IM? Did you try for any FM?


1. I am involved in research. Its basic science (biology) with significant clinical link (immune system and cancer). Going really good, publication is very close.

2. Dont like FM but applied anyway this year. Seems like they are even more selective than IM programs. Haven't heard from any of them.
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Not a lot of people can relate to us. I moved here 2012 & gave up my fellowship.. Not about money or location for me too. Being with the family with a normal future + a chance to probably work as a doctor here as the bonus (that's how I see.. A bonus outcome).

About the original topic, I am hoping to pass the CS, and hoping to get a few more IVs, hoping to match March.. Hoping & praying in that order.

Someone asked what they can do in the meantime with regards to work.. Working as medical technologist in NJ & TX is an option - check google, these dont require state certifications to work in the field. Pay is about 55-65k per year. Upper end if you accept extra shifts.

I hope you the best buddy. I am personally willing to do anything challenging if there is hope. When preparing for steps and surviving here I never complained or thought to quit because I was convinced that it would work out eventually. Now seeing people with better credentials that dont have invitations too scares the crap out of me. It became very difficult to move forward and try new things when you doubt that any of it has a point.

Now about the medical technologist job. Its good that it doesnt require certification but how about knowing what to do? I dont think they will pay 60K to a person that has no experience in that area?

1. Is our medical training applicable to this job. What does medical technologist do?

2. Will that job fill in postgrad gap or its not considered a relevant experience for MDs?
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Try googling medical technology jobs in NJ. You will see that would require:
1. Bachelors degree in biology, chemistry or medical technology etc
2. Prefer experience
3. Prefer certification

The job market is good right now. They took me in back in 2012 with minimal experience from before medical school circa 2000.

They will train you anyway. So you just have what their website requires in terms of diploma.

Job is: CBC, CSF counts, troponins, type & cross..
Those things we put in the order sheets .

Its a decent job. 40h per week sched. I told the assistant PD during an interview 3 weeks ago that.. I work in a job that pays decent, but I have not attended to a patient in 3 years.. I derive a great of satisfaction from patient interaction so I would really love to get back to my old job.

I like to think this is temporary but if this becomes permanent, I will have to learn to love what I have been given.

I am sharing this with you because I know not a lot of people are aware they can do this. I wasn't aware of this when I migrated here but was very fortunate to have landed the job within 3 months of coming here.. I suspect God had all these things planned. Unemployment back in 2012 was close to 9%.
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1. Is our medical training applicable to this job. What does medical technologist do?

2. Will that job fill in postgrad gap or its not considered a relevant experience for MDs?
1. Our MD training is not applicable, only if you have premed of Bs Bio, medtech, microbio or chemistry.. Our MD training will support that we are trainable and hardworking enough .

2. I don't think it fills us post MD training gap... But it fills gap in work.. My 4th LOR was from my medtech supervisor.. It helps support that I have an excellent work ethic whereever I work. I think it worked.. I currently have more interviews than I expected. I was expecting 0.
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Try googling medical technology jobs in NJ. You will see that would require:
1. Bachelors degree in biology, chemistry or medical technology etc
2. Prefer experience
3. Prefer certification

The job market is good right now. They took me in back in 2012 with minimal experience from before medical school circa 2000.

They will train you anyway. So you just have what their website requires in terms of diploma.

Job is: CBC, CSF counts, troponins, type & cross..
Those things we put in the order sheets .

Its a decent job. 40h per week sched. I told the assistant PD during an interview 3 weeks ago that.. I work in a job that pays decent, but I have not attended to a patient in 3 years.. I derive a great of satisfaction from patient interaction so I would really love to get back to my old job.

I like to think this is temporary but if this becomes permanent, I will have to learn to love what I have been given.

I am sharing this with you because I know not a lot of people are aware they can do this. I wasn't aware of this when I migrated here but was very fortunate to have landed the job within 3 months of coming here.. I suspect God had all these things planned. Unemployment back in 2012 was close to 9%.

Thanks a lot for the information. I agree that you need a backup career that pays enough to survive just in case the match doesn't work eventually. You don't want to try matching 3-4 years and then realize that you don't have a job and no experience in anything else.
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Just wanted to post and give hope to others, my inbox has been silent for close to 3 weeks (no invites or rejections) but I got an invite this morning along with a rejection.
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Just wanted to post and give hope to others, my inbox has been silent for close to 3 weeks (no invites or rejections) but I got an invite this morning along with a rejection.
Congrats. Which hospital was the invite from if you don't mind sharing??
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Yes i got an invite from mid west last wk. So don't lose hope ppl (:
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if yo don't mind telling us, did you contact the PD?
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Nope. I tried contacting to many other programs, but didn't hear back from them.
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I think there are some programs still going through apps, they have not filled their IV slots. I spoke with a PC who told me this. Also she told me they download everyday from ERAS.

All we can do is hope and pray. I only have one IV so far but my 12 year since graduation and no USCE most likely is a factor along with my CS coming late in Dec. 9th.

Maybe AMGs have over applied this year. Some told me they applied to 50-80 pograms, and maybe not so many cancellations. But maybe it will come.....I am still hoping for more
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I think there are some programs still going through apps, they have not filled their IV slots. I spoke with a PC who told me this. Also she told me they download everyday from ERAS.

All we can do is hope and pray. I only have one IV so far but my 12 year since graduation and no USCE most likely is a factor along with my CS coming late in Dec. 9th.

Maybe AMGs have over applied this year. Some told me they applied to 50-80 pograms, and maybe not so many cancellations. But maybe it will come.....I am still hoping for more
That's great, at least there's still a chance.

I also have 1 IV so far. 2 years since graduation (although no gap. doing EM residency in my home country) I applied on time and had my ECFMG certificate uploaded before sep 15. so I think that doesn't contribute to not getting many interviews.

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That's great, at least there's still a chance.

I also have 1 IV so far. 2 years since graduation (although no gap. doing EM residency in my home country) I applied on time and had my ECFMG certificate uploaded before sep 15. so I think that doesn't contribute to not getting many interviews.

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In what speciality did u apply? Your 1 IV is from which speciality? Good luck to you too..
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good luck to you too
That explains a lot
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I belong to a group of 5 old IMGs applying this year.

1 in our group received his 3rd IV yesterday. IVs are still being sent out, presumably from cancellations.
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seems most of us old grads have received on average 2 interviews so far..... 2 more would if we are lucky can take us out of the bushes
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How old graduates are you?
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How many programs did he apply to?
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If i recall correctly its about 150 total, combined fm & im.
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I have got many IV this year and none in the past 4 weeks. I do hear that other candidates get IV from time to time during my interview trail. However, most of these IV are from non-competitive programs. I do hope top AMG will cancel more IV at program ranking around 30-100.
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I hope everybody is doing well in this year's match. I need advice from all of you guys. So far I had only 2 ivs in this season. My credentials are very average with yog 2012, 229/234/cs pass/step 3 pass/4 months USCE/doing research for the past 3 months in Harvard but without any publications and applied to around 300 programs. My question is should I expect more ivs or not in december and january? Because this is almost end of November because of coming holidays. I tried to contact the programs but so far have not got any positive response. Should I look at any other options other than residency now?
I am looking for some good advice at this moment.

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Hey, I think you can still get some. I got two over the last two weeks, so stay hopeful!!
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