Look for research opportunities/USCE now or after CK? - USMLE Forums
USMLE Forums Logo
USMLE Forums         Your Reliable USMLE Online Community     Members     Posts
Home
USMLE Articles
USMLE News
USMLE Polls
USMLE Books
USMLE Apps
Go Back   USMLE Forums > IMG Residency Match Forum

IMG Residency Match Forum International Medical Graduates (IMGs) discussing the residency matching process.


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old 07-17-2016
USMLE Forums Scout
 
Steps History: 1+CK+CS
Posts: 96
Threads: 26
Thanked 22 Times in 17 Posts
Reputation: 32
Default Look for research opportunities/USCE now or after CK?

So it's July 2016, and I'm planning to apply for the match in Sept 2017 (2018 Match), because I'm still preparing for CK, will take it at the end of this year. I was planning to look for research opportunities, find as much USCE as possible, and take step 3, all within the time from Jan 2017 until I submit my application in Sept 2017.

My question is, is that a good plan? Is there a specific month of the year where it's easier to find research opportunities and USCE? What I mean is, should I try to be doing all that stuff along w/ prepping for the CK? Or is it okay if I wait till I take CK and focus 100% only on USCE/research afterward?

Thanks.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message


  #2  
Old 07-17-2016
USMLE Forums Master
 
Steps History: 1+CK+CS
Posts: 638
Threads: 10
Thanked 290 Times in 245 Posts
Reputation: 300
Default

Depends on a lot of factors really.
1. Are you a graduate? If yes, you need not worry a lot about the time frame. If not, electives are definitely easier to get late winter (November to June/July).
2. By research, do you mean volunteer research? The truth is its a lot harder to get volunteer research for 4-6 months compared to research fellowships (for 1-2 years) unless you have contacts (or make connections while doing USCE). Most are unwilling to spend 3-6 months teaching the basics just so you would leave.
Also, you need to consider the visa issues if you are not a citizen. Most important thing is to prepare a timeline you can work with (CK would ideally take a solid 3 months on a minimum. A lot of people do usce or research simultaneously while reading for the steps but in the end it depends on you). Good luck
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
The above post was thanked by:
nagisafurukawa (07-18-2016)
  #3  
Old 07-18-2016
USMLE Forums Scout
 
Steps History: 1+CK+CS
Posts: 96
Threads: 26
Thanked 22 Times in 17 Posts
Reputation: 32
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by saxo View Post
Depends on a lot of factors really.
1. Are you a graduate? If yes, you need not worry a lot about the time frame. If not, electives are definitely easier to get late winter (November to June/July).
2. By research, do you mean volunteer research? The truth is its a lot harder to get volunteer research for 4-6 months compared to research fellowships (for 1-2 years) unless you have contacts (or make connections while doing USCE). Most are unwilling to spend 3-6 months teaching the basics just so you would leave.
Also, you need to consider the visa issues if you are not a citizen. Most important thing is to prepare a timeline you can work with (CK would ideally take a solid 3 months on a minimum. A lot of people do usce or research simultaneously while reading for the steps but in the end it depends on you). Good luck
1) Yes, I'm an IMG of 2014.

2) I meant any research really, whatever that will allow me to learn the most and favor my internal medicine application the best.

3) I'm a U.S Citizen so that's not an issue.

4) I prepared for Step 1 just all out w/out working or anything, and it worked. So I figured I should do the same for CK as the scores for step 1 and CK are the most important. What I'm mainly worried about is if I take CK in December, and THEN I look for research positions and end up realizing most of them started in September already, or something like that. If possible, I do prefer not working/doing any research while prepping for CK as that has been proven for me personally the way to get a decent score on these exams.

Thank you!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #4  
Old 07-18-2016
USMLE Forums Master
 
Steps History: 1+CK+CS
Posts: 638
Threads: 10
Thanked 290 Times in 245 Posts
Reputation: 300
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by hraza2222 View Post
1) Yes, I'm an IMG of 2014.

2) I meant any research really, whatever that will allow me to learn the most and favor my internal medicine application the best.

3) I'm a U.S Citizen so that's not an issue.

4) I prepared for Step 1 just all out w/out working or anything, and it worked. So I figured I should do the same for CK as the scores for step 1 and CK are the most important. What I'm mainly worried about is if I take CK in December, and THEN I look for research positions and end up realizing most of them started in September already, or something like that. If possible, I do prefer not working/doing any research while prepping for CK as that has been proven for me personally the way to get a decent score on these exams.

Thank you!
So you want to start research after CK? That would be volunteer research (research fellowships usually last for a minimum of 1 year. Doing a research fellowship is good and will improve your cv but in the end good scores, strong lors, usce and volunteer research for 3-6 months should give you more than a decent chance)
Another thing I would recommend you look into is the UAB pre-residency training program. Its a 12 month program which includes a 4 month observership and 6 months research specifically for IMGs. Its was set up by the medical school (so its very supervised). Only catch is you need to be done with step 1,2cs,2ck so the time frame could be problematic for you.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
The above post was thanked by:
nagisafurukawa (07-18-2016)
  #5  
Old 07-18-2016
USMLE Forums Scout
 
Steps History: 1+CK+CS
Posts: 96
Threads: 26
Thanked 22 Times in 17 Posts
Reputation: 32
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by saxo View Post
So you want to start research after CK? That would be volunteer research (research fellowships usually last for a minimum of 1 year. Doing a research fellowship is good and will improve your cv but in the end good scores, strong lors, usce and volunteer research for 3-6 months should give you more than a decent chance)
Another thing I would recommend you look into is the UAB pre-residency training program. Its a 12 month program which includes a 4 month observership and 6 months research specifically for IMGs. Its was set up by the medical school (so its very supervised). Only catch is you need to be done with step 1,2cs,2ck so the time frame could be problematic for you.
Ideally, yes. I'd rather start after CK as I feel I need to give 100% towards CK if I want to get a decent score on this one (did the same for Step 1 and got a 243). But the reason I'm taking time out of studying to post this thread now is if it would be a better idea to sacrifice some of this drive towards CK to get into a research fellowship (as those require 1 year and I need to be done before Sept 2017, right?) now, before it's too late.

Thank you so much for the UAB referral! It looks amazing, and I've already sent an email out to them asking some questions.

The only LORs I have on-hand right now are from my Med school in China, and I will be getting 1 or 2 more LORs from one or two more U.S private practicing physicians. I've been working for them since Sept 2014, it's small internal medicine clinic, giving me hands on experience. I figured this is not strong enough as it's not hospital work, so here I am trying to grab ideas on how to further improve my CV.

My original goal was to not even think about all this CV, LORs, USCE stuff until after CK as the scores prevail over everything. I just don't want to regret anything after taking CK and realizing I should've done something different earlier.

Thanks for taking the time through reading through these lengthy posts. I appreciate it.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #6  
Old 07-26-2016
USMLE Forums Scout
 
Steps History: 1+CK+CS
Posts: 27
Threads: 8
Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts
Reputation: 15
Warning! Think carefully about your USCE options

Ok, my 2 cents here. I've gone through the requirements of hundreds of programs- and found that for different reasons only a few will consider Externships as USCE. Don't waste your money on those--not good investment.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #7  
Old 07-27-2016
USMLE Forums Scout
 
Steps History: 1+CK+CS
Posts: 96
Threads: 26
Thanked 22 Times in 17 Posts
Reputation: 32
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by currentofinjury View Post
Ok, my 2 cents here. I've gone through the requirements of hundreds of programs- and found that for different reasons only a few will consider Externships as USCE. Don't waste your money on those--not good investment.
Well other than Externships and observerships there's not much left for me. I've already graduated so I can't do clerkships. The only other thing I was going to try to do was volunteer research.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #8  
Old 07-27-2016
USMLE Forums Scout
 
Steps History: 1+CK+CS
Posts: 27
Threads: 8
Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts
Reputation: 15
Clerkships

Quote:
Originally Posted by nagisafurukawa View Post
Well other than Externships and observerships there's not much left for me. I've already graduated so I can't do clerkships. The only other thing I was going to try to do was volunteer research.
IMHO observerships and/or research are far more significant and trustworthy than externships. You won't do any "hands-on" you didn't do during medical school. On top of it, many times it's an illegal and shady business.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #9  
Old 07-27-2016
USMLE Forums Scout
 
Steps History: 1+CK+CS
Posts: 96
Threads: 26
Thanked 22 Times in 17 Posts
Reputation: 32
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by currentofinjury View Post
IMHO observerships and/or research are far more significant and trustworthy than externships. You won't do any "hands-on" you didn't do during medical school. On top of it, many times it's an illegal and shady business.
Alright man. Thank you!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #10  
Old 07-27-2016
USMLE Forums Scout
 
Steps History: Step 1 Only
Posts: 16
Threads: 3
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Reputation: 12
Default

Hey, any idea hoe much UAB pre residency program costs?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message



Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the USMLE Forums forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:
Medical School
Choose "---" if you don't want to tell. AMG for US & Canadian medical schools. IMG for all other medical schools.
USMLE Steps History
What steps finished! Example: 1+CK+CS+3 = Passed Step 1, Step 2 CK, Step 2 CS, and Step 3.

Choose "---" if you don't want to tell.

Favorite USMLE Books
What USMLE books you really think are useful. Leave blank if you don't want to tell.
Location
Where you live. Leave blank if you don't want to tell.

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
USCE and Volunteer research Samira14539 USCE & Clinical Rotations 2 05-08-2016 09:13 AM
Research/USCE for FMG/IMGs zarakhan IMG Residency Match Forum 29 11-04-2015 05:20 PM
research vs usce step2usm IMG Residency Match Forum 13 03-06-2015 07:39 AM
Step 3 Vs USCE Vs Research prtysha IMG Residency Match Forum 7 06-11-2014 07:01 PM
USCE/Research after 15th September Vitamin K IMG Residency Match Forum 4 07-25-2013 10:27 PM

RSS Feed
Find Us on Facebook
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2017 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

USMLE® & other trade marks belong to their respective owners, read full disclaimer
USMLE Forums created under Creative Commons 3.0 License. (2009-2014)