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I know a lot has already been said regarding this topic.. but there's still something that I don't get.

I want to do surgery (CV to be more specific), I know one has to do many things bla, bla, etc, etc... I'm not trying to know how hard it is, I want to know what to do to make it happen. (I'm not the kind of people who likes to think that the glass is half empty, I like to think it is half full). My questions are these...

1. Do observership or no? As I've read that doing an observership actually doesn't makes any difference. (I just think that if I'm going to expend money, I would like that the money that I've expended will help me some how.)

2. Research... I have a master degree in research (Did it in CV surgery) and I have published 2 papers (I'm planing on publishing one more). The question is: What's the real help that a Master degree and publishing papers could give me at the time of the match and getting into a residency??? (Master degree was in Taiwan)

I ask these questions because it almost seems like when asking about "IMG aiming for surgery"... the general advice/point of view is: Don't do it or it is impossible.

I would like if someone could give me an advise here...

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Hey buddy , agreed people usually discourage others ..... definitely go it .

I am still a student and have not gone for a match so consider my advice as what i have heard or read ....

one of my senior has a 233/97 on step 1 and has done 4 months of observership and 5 months of research in USA and published 1 paper as the first author ...... he is currently doing a prelim surgery and want to do neuro surgery then

Observership will not be counted as USCE even though your attending may allow you to see patients on your own ..... but will get you LORs and you will make connections , now if you do a observership at a good university and for a longer time at a place that does research , you will be able to publish papers and get LORS ..... so thats a double advantage .

ALL i have heard is that research only from USA counts , no matter what you do at your home country its not counted .... so dont rely on your masters degree much , do research in USA .....

Surgery is not impossible ..... but everything great is tough to get life

Good luck ........
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Hey buddy , agreed people usually discourage others ..... definitely go it .

I am still a student and have not gone for a match so consider my advice as what i have heard or read ....

one of my senior has a 233/97 on step 1 and has done 4 months of observership and 5 months of research in USA and published 1 paper as the first author ...... he is currently doing a prelim surgery and want to do neuro surgery then

Observership will not be counted as USCE even though your attending may allow you to see patients on your own ..... but will get you LORs and you will make connections , now if you do a observership at a good university and for a longer time at a place that does research , you will be able to publish papers and get LORS ..... so thats a double advantage .

ALL i have heard is that research only from USA counts , no matter what you do at your home country its not counted .... so dont rely on your masters degree much , do research in USA .....

Surgery is not impossible ..... but everything great is tough to get life

Good luck ........

Thanks buddy!!! thank you very much... I have a Q if you don't mind... Internship will give me USCE... right?? and between OBS and Ext... Externship is way better... right? (Plus I also will get LORS)

Now, the real Q is... for externship I need to pass step 1, CK, and CS right??? (Get the certification)
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Thanks buddy!!! thank you very much... I have a Q if you don't mind... Internship will give me USCE... right?? and between OBS and Ext... Externship is way better... right? (Plus I also will get LORS)

Now, the real Q is... for externship I need to pass step 1, CK, and CS right??? (Get the certification)
No ...... USCE is of 2 types ..

1) Clerkship / Elective = done before graduation , easy to get than Externship . You dont need steps to do electives , many offer you without steps , if you give step1 more colleges open up for you but even without step 1 you will get many ... some places which gives electives easily are Northwestern Uni , Cornell , Yale , NIH , Tufts , Brown ...... these are without step 1

2) Externship = after graduation and difficult to get , dont know more about it

Now Observership not counted as USCE ..... but you get LORs in both ....
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