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Hello everyone ,

I am an undergraduate from Southeast Asia. I have a wild passion for surgeries. I love the OT and die to spend anytime in there or around the surgery department in my hospital. I have this dream of getting a general surgery residency in the States. I know that it is very difficult for an IMG to get into surgical residencies but i am willing to go for it at any costs (blame the passion , maybe).

I want to know how difficult could it be and what is the least credentials that would lead to a successful match ?

I have not given any steps yet , so have a chance to score .

Also , if you can tell me about the importance of research for a surgical residency ?

Thank you !
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As an IMG surgery has to do with alot of things than just high scores and a focused surgical research. Another important thing is that some people opt for postgraduate degrees with MPH or MS. But love for OT is not the main thing, it will never get you in the program, they do not want you to love OT but the work ethics and demeanour as a resident physician will. Most of the IMGs who get surgery slot usually have almost 1 year of straight clinical experience with doctoral programs in research.

Volunteer services in US and outside US can also be a big step up on you resume. If you love to be surgery then you have to know that this is the only thing you want to do. Because most of the people end up applying in EM and FM, which makes their CV a bit different from the surgery CV. Surgery residency is straight and with alot of uncertainity. Step 3 is somehow compulsory for IMGs.

Btw its OR in America not OT.
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As an IMG surgery has to do with alot of things than just high scores and a focused surgical research. Another important thing is that some people opt for postgraduate degrees with MPH or MS. But love for OT is not the main thing, it will never get you in the program, they do not want you to love OT but the work ethics and demeanour as a resident physician will. Most of the IMGs who get surgery slot usually have almost 1 year of straight clinical experience with doctoral programs in research.

Volunteer services in US and outside US can also be a big step up on you resume. If you love to be surgery then you have to know that this is the only thing you want to do. Because most of the people end up applying in EM and FM, which makes their CV a bit different from the surgery CV. Surgery residency is straight and with alot of uncertainity. Step 3 is somehow compulsory for IMGs.

Btw its OR in America not OT.
Thank you BIGBOY.
Can you please tell me what kind of volunteer work might be impressive ?
And will it be acceptable if i do it in my country ?
I am currently serving an NGO (non-govt. organisation) , where we basically help those who are affected by natural catastrophes....would this suffice ?

Also , If you can provide my some insights on what sort of research work is appreciated for a match in surgery ?
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Thank you BIGBOY.
Can you please tell me what kind of volunteer work might be impressive ?
And will it be acceptable if i do it in my country ?
I am currently serving an NGO (non-govt. organisation) , where we basically help those who are affected by natural catastrophes....would this suffice ?

Also , If you can provide my some insights on what sort of research work is appreciated for a match in surgery ?
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Thank you BIGBOY.
Can you please tell me what kind of volunteer work might be impressive ?
And will it be acceptable if i do it in my country ?
I am currently serving an NGO (non-govt. organisation) , where we basically help those who are affected by natural catastrophes....would this suffice ?

Also , If you can provide my some insights on what sort of research work is appreciated for a match in surgery ?
Your welcome. First thing you need to know is that defending your resume is an artful skill. Not everyone is good at presenting the real facts of documents on the table. Specially people coming from Pakistan, India and Bangladesh often have fake things which by default program directors know that the candidate is lying. Obviously a 26-27yo candidate cannot transcend the experience of a 50-60yo program director. So point to start is that what you are saying is rightfully defending. e.g. 'Surgery Clinic at Suburban Area of Delhi'. In a pre-interview dinner, the chief resident says that how often you used to do things practically? Man! I worked so well in the surgery clinic we run for the NGO that often was handling it.
Next day, PD asks so what brings you to surgery? You say I like practically doing things and I used to suture so well. PD just by accident asks you, which suture you used in a traumatized face? If you know, I can assure you have made your resume coherently accepted but if you do not know, you are dead man! You are zero, you lied in your resume. There are a lot of IMGs who never practically done things but have done bench researches and have low yield clinical LoRs but they have not lied in their CV. I hope you get the idea.

Second thing is what kind of work you should be doing? Obviously you should not be doing work in psychiatry, pathology or even IM. Your CV should say surgery, surgery, surgery!

Third thing, IMGs usually coming from Arab world have intern program after graduation, in India its house ship and in Pakistan it is housejob. If you have worked as an intern in let's say Child Psychiatry or Dermatology because it was needed for your license back home. Delete that. US people don't know that you have been treating acne and autism, they need you to be doing trauma, surgical icu and lots of -ectomies. In short, surgery is a long, long trail. Roughly figures say that an IMG who gets a match in surgery is minimum 28 yo while who gets IM or Psychiatry is 24-25yo. Because one has to work longer for becoming a commodity.

Surgery is a lengthy path and many people end up doing PM & R or Anesthesiology after multiple tries of getting matched into surgery but they do not. Specially a surgeon has an aptitude, a charisma, an affable personality, a super calm human being inside and a very self sufficient kind of a human. Surgery demands you to be a friendly person who can quickly tame the wild environment of surgical floors, meanwhile become friendly with patient and if needed scold the sub ordinates who are responsible for patient care in case things go wrong. As an IMG, a fluent english with expressible tones is another important thing. After high usmle scores and before top published researches, the wide room is filled up by you and only you! Surgery in America is different, tough and nearly esoteric at times. The reason that PGY4-5 go vacant because they leave surgery and getsome other easier speciality. Surgeon's have no life and practically have to be fellows to have better lifestyle or else general surgeons are somehow equal in worth to IM or IV Cardio but work much more than them.

Choose wisely.
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Second thing is what kind of work you should be doing? Obviously you should not be doing work in psychiatry, pathology or even IM. Your CV should say surgery, surgery, surgery!

Third thing, IMGs usually coming from Arab world have intern program after graduation, in India its house ship and in Pakistan it is housejob. If you have worked as an intern in let's say Child Psychiatry or Dermatology because it was needed for your license back home. Delete that. US people don't know that you have been treating acne and autism, they need you to be doing trauma, surgical icu and lots of -ectomies. In short, surgery is a long, long trail. Roughly figures say that an IMG who gets a match in surgery is minimum 28 yo while who gets IM or Psychiatry is 24-25yo. Because one has to work longer for becoming a commodity.
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Thanks a ton !
That was very helpful.
I still wanted to know what kind of volunteer work would be appreciated ?
I mean , what sort of volunteer work comes under surgery , if you can please let me know that .
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