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I'm trying to decide what is a safe # of programs to apply to.
I want to do IM and would like to secure 10-15 ivs.

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I would be happy with a community IM program. Is 50 programs a safe number? or more like 100?
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Anyone? Any input would be greatly appreciated.

Guess I feel like I don't have a good chance of matching unless I apply to 150+ programs. Most of the students from my school keep telling me its getting more and more competitive every year. I know I don't have perfect stats like >230+ on the steps but feel like an average applicant.
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Same as my husband . ROSS or AUC.

Apply to all the IM programs that dont Sponsor Visa and are Carib Friendly, I think is around 150, but apply to Prelminary also some are combined some not so it be like 200. Then if you dont hear anything in 2 weeks, apply to all the IMG programs.

The programs that SPONSOR NO VISA but are CARIB-IMG friendly some are in ND, NY, and MA and MI.

dont forget Transitional and Prem either. apply to them too.
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40-50 ..for Caibeann-IMG asyour credentials would be more than enough.
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Just out of way question. If by 1st sept. we apply on nearly 150 programs when approximately the program reply back. If they accept me for interview?


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Just out of way question. If by 1st sept. we apply on nearly 150 programs when approximately the program reply back. If they accept me for interview?


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its not sept1, applying starts sept15 for this year. its a weekend.
so my approximate, earliest would be around mid october. good luck dude.
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40-50 ..for Caibeann-IMG asyour credentials would be more than enough.
Not at all.

Our schools like AUC, Ross, St. Goerge tells us to apply to over 300 some of my husbands friends are applying to 500, some one to 1000


Carib-IMG pay 300000 in fees for school another 15000 is nothing
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Hello,

I'm trying to decide what is a safe # of programs to apply to.
I want to do IM and would like to secure 10-15 ivs.

US citizen-CaribIMG
YOG 2012
Step 1/CK/CS 228/221/pass; all on 1st attempt
No research or pubs
3 US LORs
2 years USCE
Nothing special on my CV

I would be happy with a community IM program. Is 50 programs a safe number? or more like 100?

apply to 200-300
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Shima... There is no way one sane person will apply 1000 programs .. Unless his credential is pretty bad... 1000 means trgetting 3-4 specialty a confused bad credential mind...And please I have a family member Carribean grad too... St gorge , Ross grads.. Wih decent score 220 without attempt easily gets match... AUC india campus is a bit behind ...And I know many people ... For expecting 15 IV with the credential in the query 50 is definitely enough .. Provided he already said he is applying community prog IMG friendly..
Before giving advice.. Pls do research and don't post unrealistic things.. Thanx
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Shima... There is no way one sane person will apply 1000 programs .. Unless his credential is pretty bad... 1000 means trgetting 3-4 specialty a confused bad credential mind...And please I have a family member Carribean grad too... St gorge , Ross grads.. Wih decent score 220 without attempt easily gets match... AUC india campus is a bit behind ...And I know many people ... For expecting 15 IV with the credential in the query 50 is definitely enough .. Provided he already said he is applying community prog IMG friendly..
Before giving advice.. Pls do research and don't post unrealistic things.. Thanx
Anyways there is freedom of right...one can say anything ..

my husband is applying to 700 programs. 700.
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Shima... There is no way one sane person will apply 1000 programs .. Unless his credential is pretty bad... 1000 means trgetting 3-4 specialty a confused bad credential mind...And please I have a family member Carribean grad too... St gorge , Ross grads.. Wih decent score 220 without attempt easily gets match... AUC india campus is a bit behind ...And I know many people ... For expecting 15 IV with the credential in the query 50 is definitely enough .. Provided he already said he is applying community prog IMG friendly..
Before giving advice.. Pls do research and don't post unrealistic things.. Thanx
Anyways there is freedom of right...one can say anything ..

please what the heck is AUC india.

Please stop this , 200+ programs for anyone in any field. if you dont have 260+ marks.

this year will be so intense.

Halo you apply to 50 programs and let us see what happens in March
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Thank you all for your responses.

I think 200-300+ is overdoing it but that is why I am asking for help. Halo mentioned 50 is good and I hope that is the case. Of course I will be applying to community IMG friendly hospitals.

I think if I had more attempts, 200-300 is more reasonable but I was able to pass everything on 1st try and don't have any red flags that I know of.
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Thank you all for your responses.

I think 200-300+ is overdoing it but that is why I am asking for help. Halo mentioned 50 is good and I hope that is the case. Of course I will be applying to community IMG friendly hospitals.

I think if I had more attempts, 200-300 is more reasonable but I was able to pass everything on 1st try and don't have any red flags that I know of.
Ok, Well I guess thats good , I wish you the best in your endeavors
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Shima ...

I am applying 100 as I am not a Carribean grad... I hope everything works out for you And your husband.. Since you have an assumption which i think whoever reading this definitely thinks very unusual .well I have an assumption too that is ...if u don't get Any intrview 200 application .. I am afraid adding another 200 not going to make a big difference..

Best of luck...
Thank you for your advice ...
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Best of luck to you too, and too all. I am not applying this year. But my husband is.
My husbands Crediantials are

203/255/CS-1st.
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lots of Awards and certificate
Lots of research and Laboratory skills
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Best of luck to you too, and too all. I am not applying this year. But my husband is.
My husbands Crediantials are

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wow.. even w/o the 255 score, that would still be an ideal candidate. good luck to ur husband. umm but i dont think he needs it with that credentials. 101% will get matched.

thinking of my cv.
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wow.. even w/o the 255 score, that would still be an ideal candidate. good luck to ur husband. umm but i dont think he needs it with that credentials. 101% will get matched.

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Thank you all for your responses.

I think 200-300+ is overdoing it but that is why I am asking for help. Halo mentioned 50 is good and I hope that is the case. Of course I will be applying to community IMG friendly hospitals.

I think if I had more attempts, 200-300 is more reasonable but I was able to pass everything on 1st try and don't have any red flags that I know of.
There are a little less that 200 community IM programs. Your credentials look good, but next year's match will be a little more competitive with the absence of pre-match and more US grads. looking for places. I would err on the side of caution and certainly apply to more than 50 programs.


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interesting post. hey, but what if I know which specialty I want and in which city I want to live in? Freida indicates 25 programs with these parameters. my credentials are pretty good..is it ridiculous to apply only to these 25s? I want to stay in the States but not at any price...
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interesting post. hey, but what if I know which specialty I want and in which city I want to live in? Freida indicates 25 programs with these parameters. my credentials are pretty good..is it ridiculous to apply only to these 25s? I want to stay in the States but not at any price...
I have a pretty good database of programs and what type of applicants they attract (and hire). Tell me about your credentials, the speciality you are interested in and what city you want to be in and I'll give you my evaluation.

I only say this because a second opinion is always useful...even if you choose to ignore it.

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There are a little less that 200 community IM programs. Your credentials look good, but next year's match will be a little more competitive with the absence of pre-match and more US grads. looking for places. I would err on the side of caution and certainly apply to more than 50 programs.


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some times i think people love the matching process

I would love to understand it better.

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No one wants to go through the match more than once.

I will apply to more than 50 programs. Just asking for advice and what a good number would be. Thats why I asked this question. If I knew, I would not be asking. However, I think 200-300 is overdoing it. There are only 300 something IM programs and a big chunk is AMG University programs which is out of reach.
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I understand where shima's advice comes from: The fact that carib grads rotate through the US makes them qualified for many programs: USCE of 1-2 years. In the case of many IMGs not carib grad, we qualify to 200-300 programs. But i think it's an expensive strategy.

The best strategy is to filter the programs according visa, scores, % of IMGs, USCE minimun, etc etc... making the list 100-150 is safe, in my point of view. An intelligent and structured application, is as good as a crazy, let's apply everywhere application.
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I understand where shima's advice comes from: The fact that carib grads rotate through the US makes them qualified for many programs: USCE of 1-2 years. In the case of many IMGs not carib grad, we qualify to 200-300 programs. But i think it's an expensive strategy.

The best strategy is to filter the programs according visa, scores, % of IMGs, USCE minimun, etc etc... making the list 100-150 is safe, in my point of view. An intelligent and structured application, is as good as a crazy, let's apply everywhere application.
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Im a carribean IMG. I dont need visa. I'm applying to IM credentials are
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I'm a bit stressed and freaking out. I dont want to waste money and apply to random programs. So far i applied to 47 IM programs . Any advice on how many programs to apply to and what states are carribean IMG friendly.
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Folks no one can ever tell you how many progs to apply to, there is no substitute for the work that it takes to make your own list.
Its better for someone to make their own list and apply to 100 progs, than to apply to 500 progs aimlessly.

Someone with red flags is justified applying to 200-300 progs, if these progs include those they feel they may be able to get into, plus some additional ones, that an aspect of their CV may help them with.

Never fall into applying to X # of prog because someone with your same score, or from your same school did, it doesnt work that way. There are a lot of factors into the residency app process. You have no clue who their LOR writer is, what kind of weight that person has, Contacts, or the many random special extracurricular stuff on their CV, that might be too much to list on the forum.

I always laugh when ppl put scores, and ask what their chances are, or where they should apply to.

BTW folks, its spelled Caribbean, its 1 R, not 2. Its 2 Bs, not 1!!!
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BTW folks, its spelled Caribbean, its 1 R, not 2. Its 2 Bs, not 1!!!
I have a few friends from the region and they are SO IRRITATED when someone makes that mistake. Hah. Lol.
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Nothing beats doing your own list. That way, you go over the specific requirements, you get to read all the pieces and bits of every program, their current residents, their FAQs where they state very important things for our choosing criteria, and also, you get to investigate on the programs located on the cities that you would love/like/wouldn't mind/would make an effort/definitely don't want to live in the next few years of your life. And also taking into consideration your spouses and children if you have any.

So, FREIDA along with the program's websites are the best tools to come up with that number
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I have a few friends from the region and they are SO IRRITATED when someone makes that mistake. Hah. Lol.
What really bugs me is that we are supposed to be educated, and folks are posting "I am a Carrib grad", or "I went to a Carribean school". Like really, if you cant spell where you went to, how on earth is anyone supposed to take you seriously. The sad thing is that on the forums, I see it spelled incorrectly 90% of the time, I dont get it!

On another note, I actually enjoyed making my lists, though it took forever, but I wont have to speculate down the road, whether I applied to all the right progs, or why I didnt apply to a certain prog. My own was especially cause of my Step 1 disaster, awaiting CK tomorrow.
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@Shima 700 programs is definitely over the top..are there even up to 700 programs in any specialty? I know he's your husband but I think you misunderstood him...more like 70. You definitely don't know what you are talking about 700-1000. That is just insane. For OP, 100 is just appropriate.
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@Shima 700 programs is definitely over the top..are there even up to 700 programs in any specialty? I know he's your husband but I think you misunderstood him...more like 70. You definitely don't know what you are talking about 700-1000. That is just insane. For OP, 100 is just appropriate.
70 per specialty. 10 different. Trust me, I am going crazy he finally applied to 529 programs. insane about of money. But he has gotten over 7 IV no rejection yet. I think is stupid, I am going to apply to 100 or 200. But lets see where matches....
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IM - 2 individual/separate hands-on clinical rotations. 2 individual/separate Clinical evaluations and LORs from US IM physicians
FM - 2 individual/separate hands-on clinical rotations. 2 individual/separate Clinical evaluations and LORs from US FM physicians
Cardiology - 1 individual/separate hands-on clinical rotation. 1 individual/separate Clinical Evaluations and LOR from US Cardiology physicians

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Hello,

I'm trying to decide what is a safe # of programs to apply to.
I want to do IM and would like to secure 10-15 ivs.

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I would be happy with a community IM program. Is 50 programs a safe number? or more like 100?
I would recommend 100 programs. even though you have good scores and USCE, its just getting very competitive and you dont want to risk not getting matched just because you did not apply to enough programs. so to be on the safe side, i would advise apply to 100.
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