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Can someone please tell me what are the Types of USCE .. And what are the differences ?
I know of Externshio , Clerkship , Observership and Elective
What is the definition of each type ?
I did all of my internal medicine core rotations at a US. teaching hospital affiliated with a US university , but does not affiliated with My school (they accept them after they made sure that I did them in a teaching hospital .. What is that considered to be ??
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Hi guys

Can someone please tell me what are the Types of USCE .. And what are the differences ?
I know of Externshio , Clerkship , Observership and Elective
What is the definition of each type ?
I did all of my internal medicine core rotations at a US. teaching hospital affiliated with a US university , but does not affiliated with My school (they accept them after they made sure that I did them in a teaching hospital .. What is that considered to be ??
if your were still 4th yr medical student when you've done it, think its electives.(or could be clerkship if you did all rotations here, not sure which one of the two). but am sure those 2 have more weight than externship & observerships.
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Hi guys

Can someone please tell me what are the Types of USCE .. And what are the differences ?
I know of Externshio , Clerkship , Observership and Elective
What is the definition of each type ?
I did all of my internal medicine core rotations at a US. teaching hospital affiliated with a US university , but does not affiliated with My school (they accept them after they made sure that I did them in a teaching hospital .. What is that considered to be ??
Clerckship (Carib-IMG) > Electives (Any IMG) > (Externship-IMG) > Observsership (IMG)

is prefered.
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Clerckship (Carib-IMG) > Electives (Any IMG) > (Externship-IMG) > Observsership (IMG)

is prefered.
Thank you dr.Shima .. Acutally still concern about the exact definition of Externship , Can you please explain more about it
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Clerckship (Carib-IMG) > Electives (Any IMG) > (Externship-IMG) > Observsership (IMG)

is prefered.
Thank you dr.Shima .. Acutally still concern about the exact definition of Externship , Can you please explain more about it
Thank you
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externship (hands-on, supervised): doing px hx, PE, attend rounds, assist procedures, formulate own dx & mgt, & anything that invovles px contact & interaction. malpractice insurance required

observership (shadowing): attend rounds & conferences, participate in ward discussions, no insurance required
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externship (hands-on, supervised): doing px hx, PE, attend rounds, assist procedures, formulate own dx & mgt, & anything that invovles px contact & interaction. malpractice insurance required

observership (shadowing): attend rounds & conferences, participate in ward discussions, no insurance required
Thank you doctor ..
these are what I did during my rotations in US.
so what is the differences between externship and electives or ckerkship
both include direct patients contact and both are done in hospitals.. Why dr.shima mentioned that electives or ckerkships carry more weight than externship
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Thank you doctor ..
these are what I did during my rotations in US.
so what is the differences between externship and electives or ckerkship
both include direct patients contact and both are done in hospitals.. Why dr.shima mentioned that electives or ckerkships carry more weight than externship
those three have the same job description, only the time frame differs. electives, clerkships & sub-internships are done when your still at med school, usually during 4th yr or anytime prior to graduation.
after you have graduated, doing any US hands-on rotation will be called externship, no matter what hosp or institution your doing it.

the reason why the former three carry more weight than externship, is because its done in a formal,structured way and you are evaluated with scores/figures as a student by a faculty(as part of your med curriculum or transcript). while in externships, some don't evaluate you or if they do, just for formality's sake. you have graduated already so scores you got dont matter that much & anyway your evaluation can be reflected in the LOR. i've got great scores/ratings for my externship. but programs dont ask for any evaluations when you apply.
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those three have the same job description, only the time frame differs. electives, clerkships & sub-internships are done when your still at med school, usually during 4th yr or anytime prior to graduation.
after you have graduated, doing any US hands-on rotation will be called externship, no matter what hosp or institution your doing it.

the reason why the former three carry more weight than externship, is because its done in a formal,structured way and you are evaluated with scores/figures as a student by a faculty(as part of your med curriculum or transcript). while in externships, some don't evaluate you or if they do, just for formality's sake. you have graduated already so scores you got dont matter that much & anyway your evaluation can be reflected in the LOR. i've got great scores/ratings for my externship. but programs dont ask for any evaluations when you apply.
Thank you so much , appreciate it
Actually I did those rotations during the final year , hospital stuff ( this hospital is a community hospital affiliated with a university ) did not give an evaluation sheets , they only give them to students comming from medical school they are affiliated with
However , my school does not care about such evaluatio because all medical students in my home country are evaluted by a uniform national exam just like step2 ck and cs
They only need you to do your rotations at a teaching hospital that affiliated with a university and has its own residency program , they may also ask to see LOR .
So I would consider my rotations as electives , what do you think ..?
excuse me I know I am asking too much questions
I wish you good luck with your match season
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Thank you so much , appreciate it
Actually I did those rotations during the final year , hospital stuff ( this hospital is a community hospital affiliated with a university ) did not give an evaluation sheets , they only give them to students comming from medical school they are affiliated with
However , my school does not care about such evaluatio because all medical students in my home country are evaluted by a uniform national exam just like step2 ck and cs
They only need you to do your rotations at a teaching hospital that affiliated with a university and has its own residency program , they may also ask to see LOR .
So I would consider my rotations as electives , what do you think ..?
excuse me I know I am asking too much questions
I wish you good luck with your match season
dont worry, programs dont ask for evaluation (i saw only 2 univ programs asking for it)..
yup call it electives. only call it clerkship if your a carribean grad (as shima mentiond above).
good luck on u too.
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dont worry, programs dont ask for evaluation (i saw only 2 univ programs asking for it)..
yup call it electives. only call it clerkship if your a carribean grad (as shima mentiond above).
good luck on u too.
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