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i saw 2013 threads for every specialty except General Surgery. i've sent out 111 applications both to prelim and categorical positions for General Surgery.

My scores are 208 on step 1, 1st attempt, 211 on step 2 second attempt , passed CS 1st attempt & getting ready for step 3. YOG is 2007 and i hv 5 yrs surgical experience working in my country and 1 Lor from a US physician.

Can Gen Surg applicants post thier scores and whether they got interviews. also any other comments and advice are welcome.
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I'm also applying for 115 program both prelim and categorical YOG 2010 with 4 months US electives and 3 us Letter of recommendation step 1 239 and step 2 269 cs 2nd attempt. applying soon for step 3 so far 2 rej an 0 iv
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So the only 2nd attempt was for CS? Woww. If u hv scores like that and no interviews then I'm ****ed!
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So the only 2nd attempt was for CS? Woww. If u hv scores like that and no interviews then I'm ****ed!
Yes, your scores are kinda low honestly speaking. ave for amg surg 230-240+, imgs 250-260+ as what my caribb friend told me. he had a classmate 250 didn't even match.
though it is not impossible, it is really really really difficult with your stats. i suggest adding other specialties. but your 5yrs xp in GS is a plus though.
sorry doc. this is not to discourage you, just an honest opinion so could make amends.
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Well. My week is ruined. I feel like crying. I knoww the scores aren't the best but I had to study while working which was hard.
The thing is I don't want to do anything else. Nothing at all! Only surgery!
What about prelim positions? What are my chances for prelim surgery?:sorry:
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Well. My week is ruined. I feel like crying. I knoww the scores aren't the best but I had to study while working which was hard.
The thing is I don't want to do anything else. Nothing at all! Only surgery!
What about prelim positions? What are my chances for prelim surgery?:sorry:
sorry to hear that. i wish havent commented at all, i just ruined your week.
well i have a classmate (img) who got prelim surg but don't know his scores. so can't assess.
here's my weird plan if you really wanna go GS. why not apply also to FM, at least you have a match rather than nothing. in an unopposed FM program, residents do surgery so you can do a lot of GS rotations. after you grad, you can try go again at GS categ.
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I'm already 30! If I do FM (which I absolutely hate) I will be 34 when I'm done! Tthen I start as an intern at 35????? No thanks.
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So the only 2nd attempt was for CS? Woww. If u hv scores like that and no interviews then I'm ****ed!
yes the 2nd attempt is for cs only
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I'm already 30! If I do FM (which I absolutely hate) I will be 34 when I'm done! Tthen I start as an intern at 35????? No thanks.
Not to burst your bubble but I'd say I don't think you want it that bad. My bro had to spend 3 yrs going GS research in order to get connections, publications,despite having higher usmle scores, no failures, before being able to get great IVs and match.

To risk going unmatched, since you have no connections, and minimal surgery usce, it'd be to your best interest to apply to another specialty as well.

What's 3 yrs in the long run, better than coming back on here crying next yr. think hard and maturely about it all. I'm not sure you understand what you are up against. I've a few img friends with IVs in GS this yr, 260+ scores, us research and connections, yet so far only 2 IVs.
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Well. My week is ruined. I feel like crying. I knoww the scores aren't the best but I had to study while working which was hard.
The thing is I don't want to do anything else. Nothing at all! Only surgery!
What about prelim positions? What are my chances for prelim surgery?:sorry:
You might get a prelimary position! don't worry about your chances, apply and let them decide?.. what else can you do anyways?...Hope you get IVs!!....
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i saw 2013 threads for every specialty except General Surgery. i've sent out 111 applications both to prelim and categorical positions for General Surgery.

My scores are 208 on step 1, 1st attempt, 211 on step 2 second attempt , passed CS 1st attempt & getting ready for step 3. YOG is 2007 and i hv 5 yrs surgical experience working in my country and 1 Lor from a US physician.

Can Gen Surg applicants post thier scores and whether they got interviews. also any other comments and advice are welcome.

you can get premlimanry GS , apply to all the General Surgery Prem-years you can
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I'm already 30! If I do FM (which I absolutely hate) I will be 34 when I'm done! Tthen I start as an intern at 35????? No thanks.
Honey, just to make you feel better, Im 37! will apply for next match, you do the math.....
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Not to burst your bubble but I'd say I don't think you want it that bad. My bro had to spend 3 yrs going GS research in order to get connections, publications,despite having higher usmle scores, no failures, before being able to get great IVs and match.

To risk going unmatched, since you have no connections, and minimal surgery usce, it'd be to your best interest to apply to another specialty as well.

What's 3 yrs in the long run, better than coming back on here crying next yr. think hard and maturely about it all. I'm not sure you understand what you are up against. I've a few img friends with IVs in GS this yr, 260+ scores, us research and connections, yet so far only 2 IVs.
I would like to reiterate what's said above.
I know one guy with pretty average scores (mid 80s/early 200s) in the old scoring system, who did 3-4 years of research at Harvard. He kept on applying and eventually got matched at Harvard. Yes! At Brigham's in GS.

So it takes some effort to match into good programs or I should say super competitive programs but its possible, provided that you are willing to go the extra mile for that. So if you really want surgery, and just surgery and nothing else, so start making your CV look good even if you have already applied this year. It might help you this year as well.
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I would like to reiterate what's said above.
I know one guy with pretty average scores (mid 80s/early 200s) in the old scoring system, who did 3-4 years of research at Harvard. He kept on applying and eventually got matched at Harvard. Yes! At Brigham's in GS.

So it takes some effort to match into good programs or I should say super competitive programs but its possible, provided that you are willing to go the extra mile for that. So if you really want surgery, and just surgery and nothing else, so start making your CV look good even if you have already applied this year. It might help you this year as well.
Amen.. thanks dude.
this is what i've been trying to say before. if you really want GS and got low or ave scores then you have to go the extra mile or break a leg. if you wouldn't, then you won't get it. nobody gets to the top just doing nothing.
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It would benefit all applicants if the programs can at least mention the reasons for a non-match or failure to be invited for IV. I do understand that most PDs would argue that the applications were not competitive enough, but thats a great feedback, at least this helps future applications as to what needs to be improved (non modifiable factors being scores, YOG, attempts etc). For those of us who are old IMGs I would really encourage you guys to keep applying as you will eventually match. I have personally come through a great deal of discouraging colleagues and friends. I agree with one of the forum mates who said "What is not possible with man is possible with God"

I have had 4 rejections so far and awaiting outcome of 132 applications (total applied=136)

My credentials are pretty much modest but I have not given up hope.
There are times when we have to rely on divine help, especially when things are beyond our control.

"What is not possible with man is possible with God"

So, I believe that each one of us guys (and gals) on the forum will match if you are persistent and patient enough.

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This is excellent news if you have read this official aamc document

https://www.aamc.org/download/100598...udiesnov09.pdf

There is going to be an acute shortage of most specialists, especially general surgeons commencing 2015-2020.

So, even if someone gets into a surgical prelim, there is certainly going to be an increase in the number of training positions by the time one finishes PGY-1, nationwide.

So, be encouraged and grab any opportunity as the time is ripe!
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Default Dont Box yourself in, guys & gals! Getting IV for GS is competitive but not strictly a stereotypical formula!

So what if you don't have USCE?, so what if you don't have GC?
So what if you are an old IMG?

Does it really matter much as per popular views? Let us break the stereotype guys (& gals)!


After 5 rejections, this is my first IV (applied to a total of 136 programs); waiting to hear from 130 remaining and I am optimistic (can't lose anything)!

Got my first IV invite from a popular university teaching hospital in Texas for GS categorical!

YOG 2000
GS residency 2001-2004 (European country)
Fellowship in Cardiac Surgery 2004-2006 (European country)
PhD 2006-2009 with several (>20) 1st author publications
Textbook authorships X 2
International awards in research and clinical teaching

All steps 1st attempt 2012
Step 1-243
Step 2 ck-253
Step 2 cs-pass
Step 3- Jan 2013
LoRs X 3 (none of them from PDs or HODs) non-US; in fact never set foot in a US hospital!
Need a visa

Strongest point: Personal faith in God that with Him, I am on the winning team!

We need more such news from old IMGs to break the stereotypical view that you need x, y, z to be even considered....................


This should be a real encouragement to old IMGs

Expecting to hear more such news in the coming weeks from all you guys & gals!

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So what if you don't have USCE?, so what if you don't have GC?
So what if you are an old IMG?

Does it really matter much as per popular views? Let us break the stereotype guys (& gals)!


After 5 rejections, this is my first IV (applied to a total of 136 programs); waiting to hear from 130 remaining and I am optimistic (can't lose anything)!

Got my first IV invite from a popular university teaching hospital in Texas for GS categorical!

YOG 2000
GS residency 2001-2004 (European country)
Fellowship in Cardiac Surgery 2004-2006 (European country)
PhD 2006-2009 with several (>20) 1st author publications
Textbook authorships X 2
International awards in research and clinical teaching

All steps 1st attempt 2012
Step 1-243
Step 2 ck-253
Step 2 cs-pass
Step 3- Jan 2013
LoRs X 3 (none of them from PDs or HODs) non-US; in fact never set foot in a US hospital!
Need a visa

Strongest point: Personal faith in God that with Him, I am on the winning team!

We need more such news from old IMGs to break the stereotypical view that you need x, y, z to be even considered....................


This should be a real encouragement to old IMGs

Expecting to hear more such news in the coming weeks from all you guys & gals!

Man, you are an exceptional candidate for GS categorical. You are a cardiothoracic surgeon with PhD. You will know more than most of the residents. They are bound to take you
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congrats mark, but um honestly u have AMAZING credentials. are u kidding me??? u're already a surgeon!!!! PLUS u hv AMAZING SCORES ON 1ST ATTEMPT. the only reason u got rejections is because those programs see no reason to even train you again! u're about to get a hundred more invites! duh!
i'm glad for you, but thats zero comfort to me.
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also can u tell us which residency program it was, so we can at least know they're already having interviews
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congrats mark, but um honestly u have AMAZING credentials. are u kidding me??? u're already a surgeon!!!! PLUS u hv AMAZING SCORES ON 1ST ATTEMPT. the only reason u got rejections is because those programs see no reason to even train you again! u're about to get a hundred more invites! duh!
i'm glad for you, but thats zero comfort to me.
Dominica, thats exactly what I feared and was very careful. After talking to US surgeons, one of the aspects of old IMGs which scares PDs is the potential ego clashes among residents especially with those who start at the grass roots who have a lot of experience. So I made it very clear in my PS ( & intend to do so in my IV) that although I might have more clinical/operative experience, I will respect the hierarchy and will be teachable. If you are an old IMG like me it is also important to highlight what one would bring to the program given one's past experience (along with what could be expected out of it)

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Why there is so much silence here? Please keep sharing any progress or any thing new.
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Why there is so much silence here? Please keep sharing any progress or any thing new.
so far 20 Rej / 1 Iv
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Well done! Sameraida.

Congratulations! Every IV is a honor to be celebrated, don't worry about the rejects............you will surely match.
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safe to say we're all proud of you sameraida!!!! congratulations on your interview!!! hey can u tell us which hsptl it was? so we at least know they've started considering IMGs?
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Seeing this post always kept my hopes very high.. Sorry I couldn't post earlier..
So far I have 4 interview calls and I don't care about rejections as they are negligible part of the game..
Guys everyone here also don't loose hopes.. I spoke to one of the PD and he said that this year they are also having trouble deciding who to call and whom to reject as the system has changed. But good thing is interview season is goin to extended as compared to previous years.. So still a long way to loose hopes..
Keep your spirits high everyone.. All the best..
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Hey guys just wanted to ask if the surgical residency program at Harlem Hospital Center good ??

Has anyone read any reviews about it ?
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Hey guys just wanted to ask if the surgical residency program at Harlem Hospital Center good ??

Has anyone read any reviews about it ?
Probably not as good as bigger programs (know some people working in nearby hospitals) but considering its an invite my advice is do go all out for it. I have personally had 4 invites so far, 3 large univ programs & 1 smaller community hospital one. I intend to make the most of all IVs so far and have not thought about cherry picking IVs at this stage. Maybe you have significantly more IVs, even then I would advice you to go for it, unless you have had >6 invites or so. You could eliminate them at the ranking stage if you don't like any. All these programs are ACGME approved, otherwise they would not be eligible to choose NRMP.
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Congratulations everybody who are getting IVs, others keep your hopes high its a tough battle.
I was wondering, all these IVs, that candidates are mentioning here, are for categorical position or they include prelim. as well?
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Congratulations everybody who are getting IVs, others keep your hopes high its a tough battle.
I was wondering, all these IVs, that candidates are mentioning here, are for categorical position or they include prelim. as well?
Can't speak for others, but it has been a combination 2 categorical integrated programs (integrated 5 year ones right through to fellowship like VS, CTS etc do not have prelim slots) and 1 open invite GS (invite stated that the candidate would be considered for both), 1 categorical GS. Although IVs at later stages may be for prelims only, the older invites have been mainly for categorical.
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That's good at least some hope is still alive.
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Default Good job guys!!!!

I'm so glad I created this thread for tthe surgery applicants. Its inspiring to see you guys' posts. Congratulations to all those with IVs
The one thing I would like to ask tho, for the rest of us including myself who haven't gotten one IV yet and are desperate and depressed, could you please include the names of the hsptls that are interviewing so we knowthat they're sending out invites. So if we haven't gotten one we can know to rule them out and move on. Also at the beginning of the thread I'd said that y'all were supposed to include stats like scores & US experience. It jus gives everyone a more realistic picture of who's being interviewed and allows one to have a better calculation of what to expectt of oneself. Thanks guys.
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Good luck to all of you applying. It's really wonderful to be able to communicate with other IMGs and share our experiences..

I'm still a Med3 and I would really appreciate some thoughts into my dilemma.. It might seem trivial to many, considering some of you are already surgeons but for me it's one of the thing that is keeping me undecided..

I'm currently 28 (with M.Sc.) so I would finish medschool just before turning 30.. and possibly spending 2 years trying to match, then I probably wouldn't start my career until I'm 38 or even older.. Is this still within the norm for Surgery these days? am I being too obsessed with age?

Also, with the trend in residency spots becoming equal to or even less than the amount of graduating AMGs.. am I better off matching ASAP while I can (into something else) or wait two years when things will become even more difficult as I do research or prelims?? It seems to be really a huge risk to spend any extra unnecessary year as one might end up not matching into anything at all!

what scares me the most, i came to realize, is rejection and failure.. and this is probably the only thing preventing me from engaging this struggle towards a surgical residency head on and giving it all I have..

any words of advice are highly appreciated!

Best luck to all of you



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