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hello i am an IMG from INDIA. i failed in step1 and also step2cs. i feel that very bad about that. i have capacity 2 study and perform well as i am good at studies since my childhood without any failures.happened like that now. so anybody please give me suggestion about my chances to get residency in USA now? i am started preparing again now.so if i get good scores what will be the chances? thank you in advance.!
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Hello, I am an IMG but was born in the US so I don't know a ton about being a FMG from another country however here is my opinion for what ever it is worth. First off a lot of people prob will respond to your post and knock you down. Don't listen, I think anything is possible. With that being said you are at a severe disadvantage which I am sure you know just by being a FMG, and even further disadvantage because you failed multiple steps which is honestly a very bad situation to be in. However, the most important thing is to not give up. Study super hard and put in countless hours and pass your steps, but beyond that score really well on your steps. That is just the first part of the equation. Then you will probably need to come to the states and do an observership for a year or so or research for someone and have them vouch for you which is possible. If you do both of these things, then I think you have a decent shot at matching in states. Good luck. Sleep is over rated....
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your chances are close to nothing..in my opinion failing a one exam is a lethal blow..but failing 2 is the end of the story..i would love to encourage you too, but you simply don't stand a chance. I've recently gone through the match, and I've seen the applicants. Even IMGs with 240s got an extremely small number of interviews this year (some with NO INTERVIEWS at all). I believe in a realistic approach towards life. Optimism is good, but in this case, it simply won't do you any good
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your chances are close to nothing..in my opinion failing a one exam is a lethal blow..but failing 2 is the end of the story..i would love to encourage you too, but you simply don't stand a chance. I've recently gone through the match, and I've seen the applicants. Even IMGs with 240s got an extremely small number of interviews this year (some with NO INTERVIEWS at all). I believe in a realistic approach towards life. Optimism is good, but in this case, it simply won't do you any good
I know it will be very hard for this person to match but nothing is impossible. If they really score well and do a year or two of research there is a possibility a small one but a shot. It's up to them to study insanely hard and put time in to make research happen, and even then no promises but it's still possibilities. With that being said I do know a bunch of IMG's this year who had way less then 240's who got a bunch of interviews, so I don't think a 240 is necessary to match.
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Hello, I am an IMG but was born in the US so I don't know a ton about being a FMG from another country however here is my opinion for what ever it is worth. First off a lot of people prob will respond to your post and knock you down. Don't listen, I think anything is possible. With that being said you are at a severe disadvantage which I am sure you know just by being a FMG, and even further disadvantage because you failed multiple steps which is honestly a very bad situation to be in. However, the most important thing is to not give up. Study super hard and put in countless hours and pass your steps, but beyond that score really well on your steps. That is just the first part of the equation. Then you will probably need to come to the states and do an observership for a year or so or research for someone and have them vouch for you which is possible. If you do both of these things, then I think you have a decent shot at matching in states. Good luck. Sleep is over rated....
I would say it is very very tough,but you have to plan very meticulously.It involves lot of your time and money and with things getting tough every year does not do good to your goals either.
You must now have brilliant scores in all the steps,Very good USCE and LORs and a Super reference or God Father here in US.Another advantage you can have is if you get Green Card or Citizenship,many PDs take up IMGs with low score who have no visa issues.
These were to make you aware of what you can do to increase your chances.If you have a will there is a way.....keep fighting against odds,but at the same time its good to be wise in making decisions....Good luck
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I would say it is very very tough,but you have to plan very meticulously.It involves lot of your time and money and with things getting tough every year does not do good to your goals either.
You must now have brilliant scores in all the steps,Very good USCE and LORs and a Super reference or God Father here in US.Another advantage you can have is if you get Green Card or Citizenship,many PDs take up IMGs with low score who have no visa issues.
These were to make you aware of what you can do to increase your chances.If you have a will there is a way.....keep fighting against odds,but at the same time its good to be wise in making decisions....Good luck
Agreed, don't lose hope.
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I know it will be very hard for this person to match but nothing is impossible. If they really score well and do a year or two of research there is a possibility a small one but a shot. It's up to them to study insanely hard and put time in to make research happen, and even then no promises but it's still possibilities. With that being said I do know a bunch of IMG's this year who had way less then 240's who got a bunch of interviews, so I don't think a 240 is necessary to match.
I agree, BUT am talking about the MOST LIKELY possibility at this point..and lets face it, its unlikely to happen. Put yourself in the shoes of a PD...would you choose an application with failed 2 major steps? You can say all the nice things man, but we both know that you wouldn't esp when you have THOUSANDS of applicants who have passed these exams with good scores..i personally don't think that its worth spending thousands of dollars when you already know that your chances are low...
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If you're an immigrant (green card holder), go ahead and continue the usmles. However, if you're not an immigrant, I strongly suggest that you consider staying in your home country.

In the additional 2-3 years that you would spend bolstering your credentials and trying to get a medical residency in the US, you could already be finishing a medical residency in your home country. These 2-3 years may also go to waste in the event that you don't get matched -- a high likelihood since you already have 2 exam failures.

I know people who are ~2005 graduates, took the usmles after graduation, and are still waiting to be matched (after 7 years!). They have no specialties yet and are still general practitioners. They are seemingly stuck at that point of their careers. On the other hand, they have batch mates who also failed to match but moved on. They went into medical residencies in their home countries, are now consultants, and are already in their full earning potential.

My point is, be conscious about time. Be realistic and don't let the next few years go to waste. Plan and choose your path wisely.
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@OP while your chances are pretty slim, even among IMG's, it all comes down to how much you want to be in the US. Is that slim chance worth the time, money, effort & uncertainty? Will you be better off doing your home country residency or struggling to get into a us residency 3 years from now?

bottom line is this: if you ABSOLUTELY want to be in a US residency program no matter the cost, you still have a chance. while it may be very close to zero, its still not zero.

OTOH if you can live with your home country PG training, in my opinion it looks like the better, easier choice for you at this moment.
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@OP while your chances are pretty slim, even among IMG's, it all comes down to how much you want to be in the US. Is that slim chance worth the time, money, effort & uncertainty? Will you be better off doing your home country residency or struggling to get into a us residency 3 years from now?

bottom line is this: if you ABSOLUTELY want to be in a US residency program no matter the cost, you still have a chance. while it may be very close to zero, its still not zero.

OTOH if you can live with your home country PG training, in my opinion it looks like the better, easier choice for you at this moment.
I agree, you need to weigh in the costs of pursuing the residency and how bad you want t be an MD in the states. If it is your dream it is still a possibility, you will have to give up a lot of time and money and it will be a hard road with no guarantee, but it can be done. This is a personal choice that you should think about. You could also choose to pursue a PA degree in the states or NP, which is very cool and would allow you to still practice medicine here, just another option for you to mention. Either way you will end up on your path and you will be fine. Good luck.
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If you are financially fit; it worth trying. gl.
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I'm going to echo some of the responses here. If you are financially capable and this is truly your dream, then go for it. Otherwise, it is time to change career paths. You have dug yourself in almost an impossible hole to get out of. If you don't have any US experience, then I will honestly say you absolutely do not stand a chance. You're odds are extremely poor, but given your determination it is still remotely possible.
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guys , i read the above replies were really useful, now the thing is i have recently got step 1 score of 189 FA. i had a few problems before my step 1 exam but i was capable of a 210+ since i got 219 in USWSA, if i get a 220+ in ck & cs FA what will be my chances with / without USCE, YOG :2011.

pls give me a reason to continue, Iam FMG from INDIA.

Iam lukin for peads / IM residency, Will it be too much to ask?

More than depressed to take CK. PLS help.

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Hi,

guys , i read the above replies were really useful, now the thing is i have recently got step 1 score of 189 FA. i had a few problems before my step 1 exam but i was capable of a 210+ since i got 219 in USWSA, if i get a 220+ in ck & cs FA what will be my chances with / without USCE, YOG :2011.

pls give me a reason to continue, Iam FMG from INDIA.

Iam lukin for peads / IM residency, Will it be too much to ask?

More than depressed to take CK. PLS help.
if you scored 189 do not try, your chances are low, unless you have money to come do research, 1 year usce and scoring 240 on CK, even with thay very little
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I am in a similar situation with 2 steps failed. I have a green card though. Financially im holding up for now and im located in us right now . Im too depressed. I was sure that I will pass cs. I need some advice. What to do?
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I am in a similar situation with 2 steps failed. I have a green card though. Financially im holding up for now and im located in us right now . Im too depressed. I was sure that I will pass cs. I need some advice. What to do?
Which specialty are you applying for? If FM or psychiatry or peds, you should be ok barring that you dont fail any more steps and your second attempt is spectacular (240+). Also, there are just too many amazing applicants applying for the competitive specialties, so you probably are not going to get into rads, ortho, surgery, etc. As far as the non-competitive specialties are concerned, you should start looking at non-desirable locations to match. Hope this helps without making you feel worse as that is not my intent. Study hard and do really well on your second try, because if you fail again, you have no shot of matching anywhere into anything.
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Which specialty are you applying for? If FM or psychiatry or peds, you should be ok barring that you dont fail any more steps and your second attempt is spectacular (240+). Also, there are just too many amazing applicants applying for the competitive specialties, so you probably are not going to get into rads, ortho, surgery, etc. As far as the non-competitive specialties are concerned, you should start looking at non-desirable locations to match. Hope this helps without making you feel worse as that is not my intent. Study hard and do really well on your second try, because if you fail again, you have no shot of matching anywhere into anything.
as far as i am concerned after having 2 failures i am only looking at a residency, be it patho or paeds or any other. do i have a shot at these? and i really appreciate your reply. it really helps! i hope i will gather my courage soon enough to take these exams again without missing next year.
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as far as i am concerned after having 2 failures i am only looking at a residency, be it patho or paeds or any other. do i have a shot at these? and i really appreciate your reply. it really helps! i hope i will gather my courage soon enough to take these exams again without missing next year.

I'm not a PD so I can't tell you a sure shot answer. Look at the NRMP data to get a better idea. It breaks everything down including your chances to get interviewed in each specialty with failed steps. Since you are already here in the US, I don't see the downside in retaking the step if you have the means. Caveat: study super hard before taking any steps to get 240+ or you will kill your slim chance that you have at matching. Also, practice your English, talking and writing both. Since you are an FMG, it is critical that you pass CS. Practice grammar as well. If and when you get to your apps, you will need a flawless personal statement to sort of make up for your CS failed attempt. But for now, do your research on programs you're interested and study as hard as you can! Best of luck.
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i have a same situation..failed on step 1 and cs.. passed step 1 but score is low i am IMG have done obgyn residency program in home country..have international externship, many international certificates. 2 LOR from us physicians and 2 UCSE.. GC holder 1 publication..working hard on ck.....how is my chances?
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