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IMG Residency Match Forum International Medical Graduates (IMGs) discussing the residency matching process.


View Poll Results: Which sequence of filters you think is correct?
AMG vz IMG / Scores / Visa / USCE / Age / CV 125
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AMG vz IMG / Scores / Age / USCE / Visa / CV 34
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Default Matching Filters

Here I describe the process by which candidates are going to be filtered by the match programs

Filter One (American Grads Vz IMGs): Certainly AMG are preferred. In fact many programs tend to stay away from IMGs. Note that this filter is not about nationality or ethnicity, so e.g. if you are American and graduated from a medical school outside of US or Canada you still count as an IMG.

Filter Two (USMLE scores): Can't be stressed enough. This is the most important "modifiable factor" for all of us. The higher score the more likely we'll be matched. Certain programs even has a score threshold e.g not accepting scores below 85.

Filter Three (Visa requirement): Undoubtedly, those with no need for visa are preferred i.e. US citizens and green card holders. Some programs do not provide visa sponsorship.

Filter Four (USCE): having done externship, observership, or any other kind of US clinical experience is your fourth filter.

Filter Five (Age): Although most programs say we don't discriminate by age but in reality they do. The fresher the graduate the more likely he or she accepted. Some think that there's a threshold here, which is 5 years after graduation but I don't think so. I know many many who's got high profile matches 10 and 15 years after gradaution.

Filter Six (Your CV): Hate to say that this is the last filter but still it's a filter. So your research, medical degrees, and prior clinical experience are also factors that play role only when you pass the previous five filter.

These filters work in sequence, so e.g if you are an IMG, no matter how high is your score you application will be likely be tossed away if you are being compared to an AMG.

Am going to put a poll with this thread let's see what you think about these filters
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It's really frustrating how you put the CV as the last filter

This is so true my friend

They'll never look at the CV only after passing all those filters

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There's no such thing in real life
my friend is a program coordinator and he repeatedly informed me that they look at all the ERAS applications and they look at the application from A to Z and then give an overall decision
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You have to add another option which lists the visa requirement before the scores
I would have voted for it instead of voting for none of these
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Default step1 Vs Step2 scores

What if some one has a 75 in step1 and a 95 in sep2,are there 2 different subfilters?????
Which one to go with or any with 85 plus will be "in"
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What if some one has a 75 in step1 and a 95 in sep2,are there 2 different subfilters?????
Which one to go with or any with 85 plus will be "in"
Unfortunately, Step 1 score is far more important than Step 2

The reason for this is that many American Grads apply for the match before even taking step 2 CK or CS
this trend has also become common among fresh IMGs
So the comparative joint is step 1 more than step 2

However, that doesn't mean you are not going to get a match
I've seen your other post
I think you have pretty good chances

Wish you all the luck and tell us what happens with you soon
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I voted "none of these"

You forgot something very important my dear

connections connections connections

if you have a strong connection you'll blow up all those filters

My friend is an old grad, need visa, has no USCE, has scores in lower 80s, he's an IMG and he was matched in a universtiy program, how, CONNECTIONS
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Here I describe the process ......... about these filters
Thanks, steptaker. But how about online taken CME? I'm IMG, 10 yrs freshness, I've got several online CME from different US medical schools.Can they be useful when apply to residency?
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Thanks, steptaker. But how about online taken CME? I'm IMG, 10 yrs freshness, I've got several online CME from different US medical schools.Can they be useful when apply to residency?
These are certainly useful specially if they are AMA PRA Category 1 Credits.
However, there are stronger highlights that you can put in your CV such as a current valid AHA-accredited ACLS or PALS certificates.
Of course both of online CME and Life support courses don't rank up to the level of any observership or externship or research that you do in US.
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You have to add another option which lists the visa requirement before the scores
I would have voted for it instead of voting for none of these
Hi crashed, why did you prefer visa more than scores? Do you or your friend had any personal experience about this?
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Hi crashed, why did you prefer visa more than scores? Do you or your friend had any personal experience about this?
It's not that I prefer, it's what the program directors are prioritizing nowadays. They look at the visa status before looking at the score
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It's good to see that AMGs preferred
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It's good to see that AMGs preferred
Excuse me Micheal

it is not a matter of prefering AMG or IMG
it is positions priority which is normally and naturally
will be given for US graduate but I think AMG have number of positions
for them for match and IMG have certain number of positions for match

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Excuse me Micheal

it is not a matter of prefering AMG or IMG
it is positions priority which is normally and naturally
will be given for US graduate but I think AMG have number of positions
for them for match and IMG have certain number of positions for match

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It is a matter of AMG versus IMG.
It should be like that.
Would you give priority to foreigners in your country?
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It is a matter of AMG versus IMG.
It should be like that.
Would give priority to foreigners in your country?
if it is a matter like that let's make it who is the best ?
Believe me This issue is every part of the world that's all foreigners VS citizens not only US.even my country they recruit US or Canadian Physicians
and still present and I don't mind at all. every one in this life has destined
his/her future just work harder to find it,by the way u still medical student
so enjoy your studying medicine then think about this issue later on
I don't mean to be selfish or racist. good luck for every physician
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hey StepTaker thanks thanks thanks a lot man. u doing such a nice work man keep it up.
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Filter Two (USMLE scores): Can't be stressed enough. This is the most important "modifiable factor" for all of us. The higher score the more likely we'll be matched. Certain programs even has a score threshold e.g not accepting scores below 85.

I heard that some program filter last usmle step score ..... I don't know it is true or not ..... so i am a little bit worried about taking step 3 .... if i take it , would they count my last step 3 score in a filter ..... because , recently I met 2 program coordinator .... they said if possible take step 3 and it is important .......

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I heard that some program filter last usmle step score ..... I don't know it is true or not ..... so i am a little bit worried about taking step 3 .... if i take it , would they count my last step 3 score in a filter ..... because , recently I met 2 program coordinator .... they said if possible take step 3 and it is important .......
It's not true that they look at your last score.
Each step is compared to the same step scores by other applicants.
The most important step is Step 1 and for details about this issue read here Why USMLE Step 1 Score is more important than USMLE Step 2 Score

Step 3 score does play some role, the fact that you pass it with high score give further confidence in your profile but you also run the risk of scoring low in it which will hurt your profile. If you don't need H1B Visa, I advise you to leave Step 3 to after the interviews.
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I'm an old graduate - 1990. Did USMLE 1 and 2 in 1995. Then there was no need for CS. So got an ECFMG cert. Is it still valid.? I'm told it is past 7 years and of no use.
I dont mind writing it since my scores were only 80 then. Please advice.
Also, please tell me if my age is a big disadvantage. Should I write at all?
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It is a matter of AMG versus IMG.
It should be like that.
Would give priority to foreigners in your country?
Friend micheal,
Please trace back your ancestry and see for yourself.
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Friend micheal,
Please trace back your ancestry and see for yourself.
Dude, it's not about ethnicity and racism, it's about which medical school you went to.
US citizens who graduated overseas are considered IMGs.
Non-US citizens who graduated from US are considered AMGs.
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I voted "none of these"

You forgot something very important my dear

connections connections connections

if you have a strong connection you'll blow up all those filters

My friend is an old grad, need visa, has no USCE, has scores in lower 80s, he's an IMG and he was matched in a universtiy program, how, CONNECTIONS
what do you mean by connections?? can you explain more??
what can the connections do for me if i want a surgical residency program , or if i want a highly competitive program.
the person who is going to help you there is a resident or specialist ,or it does not matter??
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What type of connections ...Political ...
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What type of connections ...Political ...
Read these two threads
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Hi i have a question i would like to hear opinions.

Would they prefer a high score IMG with no Visa(i.e student or tourist visa)?
or would they rather accept an IMG with Visa but with decent average
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Is the visa more important than USCE !?!?
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I think
connections are v imp
basically u need good scores
and a green card if ur an img
and ur good. actually
just go to a US medical school
that should make things easy.
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CV as last filter. Thats wrong.
My friend had low Step scores but still managed 10 IV due to her CV.
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CV as last filter. Thats wrong.
My friend had low Step scores but still managed 10 IV due to her CV.

where did she Interview at, and what is low, 230
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where did she Interview at, and what is low, 230
220.
I dont remember all of the programs but I do remember Woodhull and Univ of Kansas were among the 10 she got.
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220.
I dont remember all of the programs but I do remember Woodhull and Univ of Kansas were among the 10 she got.
buddy just cause me and you scored 250/260 doesnt mean the other 1000 people did also.

220 still gets IV and still matches.
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buddy just cause me and you scored 250/260 doesnt mean the other 1000 people did also.

220 still gets IV and still matches.
Thats what i'm saying. CV does matter!
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Thats what i'm saying. CV does matter!
In the end program cant just interview 50 people, the other 200 they interview have CV's.
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I wonder a lot about the USCE vs Visa.

But if you have a FM with 2 years rotations in the US from England/Canada who need a J-1 visa, does that not trump someone with observerships/externship and a green card?
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It is a matter of AMG versus IMG.
It should be like that.
Would you give priority to foreigners in your country?
regardless of medical school , doctors living in usa ,, need to work , right so they should be given property over other over seas doctors
other wise they do what if they don't find job ? go to over seas to find job ?
hoping all AMG/ IMG (us citizens ) match.
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It is a matter of AMG versus IMG.
It should be like that.
Would you give priority to foreigners in your country?
its natural u dont. AMGs have advantage. that should be appreciated not offended..
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On your nrmp 2014 match results, the IMG % fell into 2 category , us and non us IMG , how would you define non us IMG ? J1 visa needing applicants only or green card holders are included also?
I don't have green card ( yet im a Canadian citizen)and I need J1 or H1 visa , is there any way I can know percentage of applicants like me who got match last year?
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Unfortunately, Step 1 score is far more important than Step 2

The reason for this is that many American Grads apply for the match before even taking step 2 CK or CS
this trend has also become common among fresh IMGs
So the comparative joint is step 1 more than step 2

However, that doesn't mean you are not going to get a match
I've seen your other post
I think you have pretty good chances

Wish you all the luck and tell us what happens with you soon
Step 1 is not far more important than step 2. I personally talked to Conrad Fisher and he said that they look at both scores pretty much equally.

If you get a 240 on step 1 and a 220 on step 2 that is not a good sign. They always look for improvement. Both exams are equally important however if you are under the minimum that some hospitals have then yeah your SOL.
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Hello everyone,
I am an IMG, graduated 7 years ago. I am a Green Card holder and i have been preparing fir step 1 for the past 3 years. I still need something close to 6 more months to take Step1. I was wondering how years after graduation affect my residency chances cz recently i have come a cross many talking about the 5 year filter Which's really demotivating. I just need some honest answers please.
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