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Hi! I'm new to the forum and so apologies if this has been addressed in some other thread.
How important is it for IMGs to have taken Step 3 to land a residency if,say,Step 1&2 are good,2/3 months of observership is done and other paperwork/formalities are complete before applying ??
Is the J-1 issue brought up during the interview or is one filtered out in the matching process itself ,if one doesn't have an H-1b (due to not giving step 3)??
I'm only asking this because it seems I won't have time to prepare and appear for Step 3 if I were to apply before Sept...or should I wait another year and apply only after Step 3 is done to improve chances..??
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Regarding Step 3:
Step 3 is not a requirement to apply and secure residency in the US.

The majority of medical graduates securing residency each year dont have Step 3 completed.

Passing Step 3 before residency helps medical graduates that have 5 or more total attempts between Step 1 and Step 2 CK and CS.


Regarding Observerships:
I would recommend that you focus your efforts in having no gaps and obtaining hands-on clinical experience as you prepare for USMLEs. There are numerous research articles on the selection criteria for residency which show that the majority of residency programs rank observership and research rotations low among their selection criteria.


Regarding J-1 visa issues:
You will have to focus your efforts on applying to residency programs that offer visa sponsorship. You can apply to more residency programs that offer visa sponsorship if you obtain the necessary requirements for 2-3 different specialties.


Regarding no time for Step 3:
It would be best that join a USMLE test prep organization like KAPLAN and document this wherever you can in your common application forms.


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Having good scores on Step 1 and CK plus a strong application is enough, theoretically, to land you interviews. You don't need to take the Step 3 to improve your chances. I would definitely not delay applying an entire year just for that exam!!

What you can do is apply Sept. 15 next year and get the Step 3 done throughout interview season, most people do that. And if you have a good CK background you don't need a lot of prep time to pass Step 3.

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What if I take step 3 in 1st week of Sept? How much it would help me without my result in hand on Sept 15?
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What if I take step 3 in 1st week of Sept? How much it would help me without my result in hand on Sept 15?
i wish someone could answer that..i also wish to take the exam by september..dont know how helpful it will be..
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i wish someone could answer that..i also wish to take the exam by september..dont know how helpful it will be..
Having a step 3 in hand is very helpful. So is direct communication with programs. Getting your result late can be an excuse for you to call up programs and draw attention to you, your interest and the fact that you have given your step 3. You can also choose in ERas to manually upload your scores. In case you do not do step 3 well, you can choose not to upload it with that option.

Regarding importance of step 3, I am of a totally different view. You are competing for a position in a program that is ImG friendly. Unless you are über great, you are not going to get into a program that is not IMG friendly. ( trust me I had a couple of interviews in non IMG friendly places and it was a complete waste of my time). Several IMG friendly programs sponsor H1b. These programs and others who don't are used to seeing step 3 on the profiles of IMGs.

Speaking from experience, I had less number of interviews than people I know who had step 3 ready by December.
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will it help if you are an old img with very good step1,ck,cs scores and also step3 scores. how will old Img's be benifittedbwith this scenario.
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Having a step 3 in hand is very helpful. So is direct communication with programs. Getting your result late can be an excuse for you to call up programs and draw attention to you, your interest and the fact that you have given your step 3. You can also choose in ERas to manually upload your scores. In case you do not do step 3 well, you can choose not to upload it with that option.

Regarding importance of step 3, I am of a totally different view. You are competing for a position in a program that is ImG friendly. Unless you are über great, you are not going to get into a program that is not IMG friendly. ( trust me I had a couple of interviews in non IMG friendly places and it was a complete waste of my time). Several IMG friendly programs sponsor H1b. These programs and others who don't are used to seeing step 3 on the profiles of IMGs.

Speaking from experience, I had less number of interviews than people I know who had step 3 ready by December.
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thanks a lot..yeah this is exactly what i wanted to know..i think getting done with step 3 asap ( better if before applying) definitely helps..can a decent step 3 score be helpful wen u're step 1 or ck scores arent that good..? or its sole purpose is to obtain visa only?
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thanks a lot..yeah this is exactly what i wanted to know..i think getting done with step 3 asap ( better if before applying) definitely helps..can a decent step 3 score be helpful wen u're step 1 or ck scores arent that good..? or its sole purpose is to obtain visa only?
Yes, a decent step 3 is helpful.
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Having good scores on Step 1 and CK plus a strong application is enough, theoretically, to land you interviews. You don't need to take the Step 3 to improve your chances. I would definitely not delay applying an entire year just for that exam!!

What you can do is apply Sept. 15 next year and get the Step 3 done throughout interview season, most people do that. And if you have a good CK background you don't need a lot of prep time to pass Step 3.

Hope that helps
Hi...i get that Step 3 score isn't ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL before the match starts & that having it ready on the other hand wld be beneficial.But may I know abt the VISA?I mean IMGs can't obtain H1B without Step 3 right?In that case how abt the VISA status when i wanna apply for residency?
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In the 2014 PD survey (http://www.nrmp.org/wp-content/uploa...eport-2014.pdf), Step 3 is ranked as the LEAST important factor for both getting an interview and making rank lists. Could it help? Sure... it shows that you're less of a risk because you've already passed Step 3 (which most residents take during intern year). It'll also help you out, because you won't have to study for it during intern year. If you're a non-US IMG, I think you actually need step 3 for visa purposes, so you may have to take it prior to residency regardless.

I just matched, and I'm going to start my prep (very light prep) now, so I can take it at some point early during my intern year.
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Agree with everything above. One reason that step 3 may be the least important is because it's one of the few things the majority of applicants won't have (especially AMGs). If you are an IMG and have lower scores, I think step 3 would be important because programs don't have to worry about you passing or requesting time off during residency to study. I think you need to pass it for H1B but not the J1 visa. Congrats on the match TwoStep
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Doing Step 3 is useful in two ways. First, U show that u r low risk. Second, it's an absolute requirement if u wanna get H1.

Regarding applying while still taking step3:

In ur initial application u can choose u r looking for J1 as ur result didnt come out yet and when u go to the interview u can bring it up with ur interviewer. Usually they would tell u that we can gv u H1 if u pass step 3 by a particular date. If u don't we will gv u J1, as simple as that
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If you wait a year, make sure you are still getting valuable clinical experience during that time. Taking a year off could hurt you more than help
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