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Hospital Rosalind Franklin University versus Advocate Illinois Masonic IM??

I am confused between Advocate Illinois Masonic and Rosalind Franklin University, IL Internal medicine, how would you guys select between the two?
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Masonic is better, IMHO. Rosalind Franklin is a fake university with 3 years of IM training just in VA (Federal Health Care Center).
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Masonic is better, IMHO. Rosalind Franklin is a fake university with 3 years of IM training just in VA (Federal Health Care Center).
How could it be a fake university with a medical school and 4 fellowships?
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How could it be a fake university with a medical school and 4 fellowships?
Rosalind Franklin used to have 2 hospitals. A VA hospital and Mount Sinai Hospital. Now Mount Sinai has started its own residency program, so Rosalind Franklin residents dont go there for training.
The 4 fellowships are still shared between these 2 programs.
So now if you compare it with Masonic, then Masonic is better in terms of training and patient diversity.
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How could it be a fake university with a medical school and 4 fellowships?
Which "university" program would have a brilliant idea of just training their residents at VA? I am sure that its a nightmare to train at VA for 3 years!
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Thanks for replying guys but they said they have all active duty and their families too... so wouldnt it give u all age ranges ??
And what do u guys say then, even mount sinai is better than rosalind franklin itself???
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Yup, mount sinai is better for me because it is in chicago city. It depends on your priorities, where do you want to spend your 3 years.
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I interviewed in all 3, and I'm definitely thinking about not ranking Rosalind Franklin at all, it is only VA it will be the first year that it'll be this way, of course you'll have a lot of free time, but do you really just want to treat majority of males in a certain age range?

Masonic has a wonderful program with good academic feel and fellowship placement, and Mount Sinai is a complete county hospital with a coulple of fellowships, but without doubt both are much better than Rosalind Franklin, not even the cafeteria is good.

I see people are really honest but at the end it depends of what you want, and how you felt.!!

Good luck!
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Thanks guys, I would put them above rfums.. i jsut wanted someone to emphasize it more, afterall its a big decision!
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Can somebody give their thoughts if I have ranked these correctly? All are IM programs categorical
1. University of Missouri, Kansas City
2. University of Georgia, Augusta
3. University of Michigan, East Lansing
4. Washington Hospital Center, DC
5. St.John's, Detroit, MI
6. Advocate Illinois Masonic, Chicago
7. Cook county, Chicago- Lot of work and scut work
8. Rosalind Franklin University, Chicago- No work at Va but have 4 in house fellowships
9. Jersey shore University medical Centre, Neptune,NJ
10. UT southwestern, Austin, TX
11. Johns Hopkins/ Sinai hospital- Baltimore, MD
12. Indiana University/ Ball memorial Hospital, Muncie, IN- Small program but very good salary and benefits.
13. Maricopa medical center, Pheonix, AZ
14. St.Luke's Hospital,MO
15. University of Nevada, Reno, NV
16. University of Nevada, Las Vegas, NV
17. Texas Tech Amarillo.TX
18. Hurley medical center,MI
19. Wayne State/ Sinai Grace hospital- Detroit, MI
20. Greater Baltimore Medical center, MD

Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for helping a confused, anxious and scared IMG.
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Can somebody give their thoughts if I have ranked these correctly? All are IM programs categorical
1. University of Missouri, Kansas City
2. University of Georgia, Augusta
3. University of Michigan, East Lansing
4. Washington Hospital Center, DC
5. St.John's, Detroit, MI
6. Advocate Illinois Masonic, Chicago
7. Cook county, Chicago- Lot of work and scut work
8. Rosalind Franklin University, Chicago- No work at Va but have 4 in house fellowships
9. Jersey shore University medical Centre, Neptune,NJ
10. UT southwestern, Austin, TX
11. Johns Hopkins/ Sinai hospital- Baltimore, MD
12. Indiana University/ Ball memorial Hospital, Muncie, IN- Small program but very good salary and benefits.
13. Maricopa medical center, Pheonix, AZ
14. St.Luke's Hospital,MO
15. University of Nevada, Reno, NV
16. University of Nevada, Las Vegas, NV
17. Texas Tech Amarillo.TX
18. Hurley medical center,MI
19. Wayne State/ Sinai Grace hospital- Detroit, MI
20. Greater Baltimore Medical center, MD

Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for helping a confused, anxious and scared IMG.
Rosalind Franklin needs to go down to 17/18. Cook county at 4 (if you care about reputation and fellowships; if you want to enjoy most important 3 years of training rather than working hard, rank it lower). Wayne State/Sinai Grace needs to go up tad bit. Good luck!

PS: number 3 is MSU or UMich? If it's UMich at Ann Arbor- rank it number 1!
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But rosalind franklin has all the in house fellowships, why should it be 17/18 over other programs which do not have any in house fellowships?

Yes I agree cook county is good with fellowships, but so are the first 5 in my list, they are either univeristy or affiliated programs with excellent training equal to cook county but minus the scut work and stress.

Sinai Grace is a program with lot of work, insecure funding, and absolute worst city in US. Any explanation were it should be moved?

And It is MSU in East Lansing, Sparrow hospital. Nice place.
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But rosalind franklin has all the in house fellowships, why should it be 17/18 over other programs which do not have any in house fellowships?

Yes I agree cook county is good with fellowships, but so are the first 5 in my list, they are either univeristy or affiliated programs with excellent training equal to cook county but minus the scut work and stress.
Because 3 years of IM training also matter and not just fellowships. If you are okay with treating veterans for 3 years, go for it!

WHC v/s Cook County is def a close call, but atleast for me, Chicago>>DC (you won't be able to save a dime in DC).

I can't decide for you where to put Sinai Grace; all i can suggest is that it needs to go up, maybe just above Reno. Nevada is just not a state for medical education, IMHO.

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Thanks for the replies,
I can understand training is important but 17/18 ? Isnt that extreme? any reasonable suggestion?

And i know cant save much in DC but also cant save much in downtown Chicago (cook county).
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ALso, one thing I just realized is that Mount Sinai is not completely EMR!
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