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Default USMLE scores importance is way over-rated among students !!

Hello,

just imagine this thread that we usually see in the forums many times :
"I am an IMG with step 1 score 201, step 2 score 198, do you I have a chance for dermatology ?? "

we all know that the usual response to such thread is : you absolutely have no chance, you should have at least 250+ both steps to be considered for derma as IMG ... you better think about low competitive specialty or primary care ones.

in fact, we always emphasis on steps score to be stellar, talking about 240+ or 250+ if you want to match for top ranked programs or high competitive specialties, but is this true?

I have been reading so many threads in this forum and other forums that everyone talking about 240+, 250+ both steps if you want to match,, while in fact ... I don't think this is true in most of the cases, Just a very quick view on NRMP charting outcome, you will find IMG with mean score of 230 matched to very top competitive residencies like ortho, derma, neurosurgery, general surgery .... you will even find candidates with score 200 or below 200 matched to very competitive programs ... I know most of you would tell that these candidates had connections or they did something extraordinary to get matched .. I agree, and this proves my points ... scores are way overrated in the forums among students .... because with low scores you can still match, on the other hand if you looked to the charting outcome, you will find applicants with outstanding scores 260+ were not able to match to low competitive programs ...

if you looked carefully to the charting outcome, you will notice that much of the applicants get matched to the very high competitive programs had scores mean of 230, I am even talking about IMGs here, while the mean score of low competitive programs would lie between 210 - 220 ... I don't know where ( you must be 240+ , 250+ to be considered ) came from!

so let's go back to our original thread :
"I am an IMG with step 1 score 201, step 2 score 198, do you I have a chance for dermatology ??

the answer is: although your chances are very low, but yes you can.
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All programs have some kind of filter , depending on the program it could be somewhere from 200-220-230. Unless you really know the PD, and you have done extraordinary work , i doubt you will even get past those filter barries with low scores.

But im not saying its impossible , just saying it could take more time to get matched, and you need to work harder.
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Hello,

just imagine this thread that we usually see in the forums many times :
"I am an IMG with step 1 score 201, step 2 score 198, do you I have a chance for dermatology ?? "

we all know that the usual response to such thread is : you absolutely have no chance, you should have at least 250+ both steps to be considered for derma as IMG ... you better think about low competitive specialty or primary care ones.

in fact, we always emphasis on steps score to be stellar, talking about 240+ or 250+ if you want to match for top ranked programs or high competitive specialties, but is this true?

I have been reading so many threads in this forum and other forums that everyone talking about 240+, 250+ both steps if you want to match,, while in fact ... I don't think this is true in most of the cases, Just a very quick view on NRMP charting outcome, you will find IMG with mean score of 230 matched to very top competitive residencies like ortho, derma, neurosurgery, general surgery .... you will even find candidates with score 200 or below 200 matched to very competitive programs ... I know most of you would tell that these candidates had connections or they did something extraordinary to get matched .. I agree, and this proves my points ... scores are way overrated in the forums among students .... because with low scores you can still match, on the other hand if you looked to the charting outcome, you will find applicants with outstanding scores 260+ were not able to match to low competitive programs ...

if you looked carefully to the charting outcome, you will notice that much of the applicants get matched to the very high competitive programs had scores mean of 230, I am even talking about IMGs here, while the mean score of low competitive programs would lie between 210 - 220 ... I don't know where ( you must be 240+ , 250+ to be considered ) came from!

so let's go back to our original thread :
"I am an IMG with step 1 score 201, step 2 score 198, do you I have a chance for dermatology ??

the answer is: although your chances are very low, but yes you can.
I think the problem is with misinterpretation and making assumptions. The "Charting Outcomes" score charts provide a single dimension view to a multi-dimensional applicant. Yes, they may have gotten 230s and matched into ENT/Derm/etc. It is however a new applicants best interest to assume that that person who matched probably already did a residency overseas, did an MPH/MHA/PhD here, has several publications, etc. (or some combination of such factors). It is a bell curve, there are always those who are two standard deviations above the mean. However, the "average" IMG would have a very difficult time attaining competitive residencies. I think when it comes down to it, people should just do their own research and make their own conclusions (that's why NRMP puts out these publications every year).
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Hello,

just imagine this thread that we usually see in the forums many times :
"I am an IMG with step 1 score 201, step 2 score 198, do you I have a chance for dermatology ?? "

we all know that the usual response to such thread is : you absolutely have no chance, you should have at least 250+ both steps to be considered for derma as IMG ... you better think about low competitive specialty or primary care ones.

in fact, we always emphasis on steps score to be stellar, talking about 240+ or 250+ if you want to match for top ranked programs or high competitive specialties, but is this true?

I have been reading so many threads in this forum and other forums that everyone talking about 240+, 250+ both steps if you want to match,, while in fact ... I don't think this is true in most of the cases, Just a very quick view on NRMP charting outcome, you will find IMG with mean score of 230 matched to very top competitive residencies like ortho, derma, neurosurgery, general surgery .... you will even find candidates with score 200 or below 200 matched to very competitive programs ... I know most of you would tell that these candidates had connections or they did something extraordinary to get matched .. I agree, and this proves my points ... scores are way overrated in the forums among students .... because with low scores you can still match, on the other hand if you looked to the charting outcome, you will find applicants with outstanding scores 260+ were not able to match to low competitive programs ...

if you looked carefully to the charting outcome, you will notice that much of the applicants get matched to the very high competitive programs had scores mean of 230, I am even talking about IMGs here, while the mean score of low competitive programs would lie between 210 - 220 ... I don't know where ( you must be 240+ , 250+ to be considered ) came from!

so let's go back to our original thread :
"I am an IMG with step 1 score 201, step 2 score 198, do you I have a chance for dermatology ??

the answer is: although your chances are very low, but yes you can.
Since you brought this topic up. With scores of 201,198 you will have a very very very very low chance to get FM IV, forget dermatology.

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Um, I think if you look at the statistics realistically, you will see that IMGs made up less than 1% of the total matched applicants in Ortho, Rads, Derm, Optho COMBINED. It is INCREDIBLY rare for an IMG to match into these fields.
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Hello,

just imagine this thread that we usually see in the forums many times :
"I am an IMG with step 1 score 201, step 2 score 198, do you I have a chance for dermatology ?? "

we all know that the usual response to such thread is : you absolutely have no chance, you should have at least 250+ both steps to be considered for derma as IMG ... you better think about low competitive specialty or primary care ones.

in fact, we always emphasis on steps score to be stellar, talking about 240+ or 250+ if you want to match for top ranked programs or high competitive specialties, but is this true?

I have been reading so many threads in this forum and other forums that everyone talking about 240+, 250+ both steps if you want to match,, while in fact ... I don't think this is true in most of the cases, Just a very quick view on NRMP charting outcome, you will find IMG with mean score of 230 matched to very top competitive residencies like ortho, derma, neurosurgery, general surgery .... you will even find candidates with score 200 or below 200 matched to very competitive programs ... I know most of you would tell that these candidates had connections or they did something extraordinary to get matched .. I agree, and this proves my points ... scores are way overrated in the forums among students .... because with low scores you can still match, on the other hand if you looked to the charting outcome, you will find applicants with outstanding scores 260+ were not able to match to low competitive programs ...

if you looked carefully to the charting outcome, you will notice that much of the applicants get matched to the very high competitive programs had scores mean of 230, I am even talking about IMGs here, while the mean score of low competitive programs would lie between 210 - 220 ... I don't know where ( you must be 240+ , 250+ to be considered ) came from!

so let's go back to our original thread :
"I am an IMG with step 1 score 201, step 2 score 198, do you I have a chance for dermatology ??

the answer is: although your chances are very low, but yes you can.
If i'm getting you correctly .. then i think you are totally right
if someone got a low score that doesn't mean he/she should stop giving the rest of exams or give up the residency of his/her choice, one should continue strengthening CV , making connections also considering other specialities but the morale is don't stop, however lets not forget about the importance of scores ... if you have a very good score ( let's say above 250 ) with very minimal effort you could get the residency program of your choice , so for those who didn't attempt the exams yet .. agood advice for them will be is to focus on their exam preparations and never going to exams without making sure that they have tested them selves and they are sure that they will get the score that they desire .
BTW ( these are advices from people whom i met , as personally i didn't attempt the exams yet
Please correct me if am mistaken
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