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India J1 Visa and Indian Government Bond

Hello there...Congratulations everybody on getting matched..Journey is not over yet..Can anybody out there highlight the steps on how to obtain the J1 visa?
Why is the govt still hesitant to give Statement of Need when there is a bond that we will come back and serve in our mother country for 2 years??
Is our govt worried that we wont come back and opt for a waiver job??
any inputs are highly appreciated..
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you must be from India. Yes the Indian govt, are being funny smart guys, try to talk to them about this, also try to make sure you can get a bond, SON and other things. You basicaly need to come back and work in India in a undeserved area for a while or you have to give them like 80000$.
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U have to pay them 80,000$?? pay whom the Indian govt? that a ridiculous amount..close to 45Lakh rupees..are u sure about this? I have never heard anybody paying such huge amounts..
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you must be from India. Yes the Indian govt, are being funny smart guys, try to talk to them about this, also try to make sure you can get a bond, SON and other things. You basicaly need to come back and work in India in a undeserved area for a while or you have to give them like 80000$.
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Default My problem is the statement of need

I am trying to negotiate with my work in my home country (not India) to give vacation or I'll resign
I hope the negotiation will not last long
I am waiting to send contract after signing
I am also worried that after receiving statement of need i ll apply to ecfmg site which takes 6 weeks ( OMG so long ) then go for embassy IV
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Default @ Shima: Where did you get this number from "$80,000"

I never heard this high of a number. I am not telling you are making it up but share us the source of this information.
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I never heard this high of a number. I am not telling you are making it up but share us the source of this information.
dude , 80000 rupees not $$$$ USD
my bad. I heard it from my friend. is LIKE 1500 USD
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http://www.deccanchronicle.com/13032...ond-2-sureties

So 5 lakh rupees bond with 2 sureties. Way the article is worded, makes it sound impossible to stay back after finished your education in the US. Even if you get a waiver job!

Any thoughts?
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http://www.deccanchronicle.com/13032...ond-2-sureties

So 5 lakh rupees bond with 2 sureties. Way the article is worded, makes it sound impossible to stay back after finished your education in the US. Even if you get a waiver job!

Any thoughts?
the person signing, the officer will take money for sure.
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Well yeah definitely! But i'm wondering more about chances of being able to stay back even if i'm willing to forgo the 5L?
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This is so ridiculous! Can't we all just sue the health ministry?? They can't tell us where to practice right? I mean its directly opposes human rights.
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This is so ridiculous! Can't we all just sue the health ministry?? They can't tell us where to practice right? I mean its directly opposes human rights.
I kinda agree. There has to be some sort of legal precedent for this. Especially for doctors who studied in med schools by paying from their own pocket (unlike doctors who might have graduated from Government colleges at subsidised rates)

But then, fighting it could take years. Bureaucracy. Sigh.
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I kinda agree. There has to be some sort of legal precedent for this. Especially for doctors who studied in med schools by paying from their own pocket (unlike doctors who might have graduated from Government colleges at subsidised rates)

But then, fighting it could take years. Bureaucracy. Sigh.
Precisely. Coming from a private medical college I totally understand your argument. But that's basically just us looking out for ourselves. Even those who studied in govt colleges don't deserve this sort of autocratic high handedness.
Guess we're powerless for now. The elusive H1B might be our best hope..
EDIT: Good thing they're increasing the cap on those starting this year. Cheers for Obama!
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Precisely. Coming from a private medical college I totally understand your argument. But that's basically just us looking out for ourselves. Even those who studied in govt colleges don't deserve this sort of autocratic high handedness.
Guess we're powerless for now. The elusive H1B might be our best hope..
EDIT: Good thing they're increasing the cap on those starting this year. Cheers for Obama!

I hope everything works out for the best. But if residents dont get the J-1 Visa and start late or wont be able to come, next year Program Directors might not invite many Indian Medical Student/Graduates for interviews.

What do you think. I only know 1/8 people who got the J-1 Visa, and she paid like 10000 to a officer to sign the damn thing.
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I hope everything works out for the best. But if residents dont get the J-1 Visa and start late or wont be able to come, next year Program Directors might not invite many Indian Medical Student/Graduates for interviews.

What do you think. I only know 1/8 people who got the J-1 Visa, and she paid like 10000 to a officer to sign the damn thing.
So here is what I know - There is a committee set up in New Delhi that deals with just this issue. They are surprisingly cooperative and don't push you around. The paperwork is certainly tedious and a pain. As far as bribing them goes, my friend did not have to. The 10000($?) you're mentioning is probably the sum of the bond payable if we fail to return to India after completion of residency. Now that amount is irrelevant for two reasons -
A) We're not permitted to stay in the U.S. beyond completion of the course unless we find visa waiver jobs.
B) If we do find those jobs, the $10000 amount shouldn't be too difficult to pay.

Now this is just what I heard from a source I trust. Different people might have different experiences. As for me, I'm content with the news I've received and motivated to continue my USMLE journey.
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So here is what I know - There is a committee set up in New Delhi that deals with just this issue. They are surprisingly cooperative and don't push you around. The paperwork is certainly tedious and a pain. As far as bribing them goes, my friend did not have to. The 10000($?) you're mentioning is probably the sum of the bond payable if we fail to return to India after completion of residency. Now that amount is irrelevant for two reasons -
A) We're not permitted to stay in the U.S. beyond completion of the course unless we find visa waiver jobs.
B) If we do find those jobs, the $10000 amount shouldn't be too difficult to pay.

Now this is just what I heard from a source I trust. Different people might have different experiences. As for me, I'm content with the news I've received and motivated to continue my USMLE journey.

Thanks soo much for the information!
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Thanks soo much for the information!
You're welcome. Do share any information you come across as well.
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Hey thanks for info. Can u illustrate more about that committe? What they do? Help us with NOC or what? Any info will be appreciated. Thanks
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Hey thanks for info. Can u illustrate more about that committe? What they do? Help us with NOC or what? Any info will be appreciated. Thanks
They deal with the SON (Statement of Need) which is a critical document needed for the J1 visa and are based at Nirman Bhavan in New Delhi. That's all the info I have.
I don't know about issue of NOCs or whether they are needed for the visa.
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So here is what I know - There is a committee set up in New Delhi that deals with just this issue. They are surprisingly cooperative and don't push you around. The paperwork is certainly tedious and a pain. As far as bribing them goes, my friend did not have to. The 10000($?) you're mentioning is probably the sum of the bond payable if we fail to return to India after completion of residency. Now that amount is irrelevant for two reasons -
A) We're not permitted to stay in the U.S. beyond completion of the course unless we find visa waiver jobs.
B) If we do find those jobs, the $10000 amount shouldn't be too difficult to pay.

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hi...i have just started reading for step 1 and i am finding it hard to concentrate admist all this news..... if we pay 5 lacs indian rupees to the govt can we continue staying in the US? i mean to say is the bond 'breakable'? plz reply
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hi...i have just started reading for step 1 and i am finding it hard to concentrate admist all this news..... if we pay 5 lacs indian rupees to the govt can we continue staying in the US? i mean to say is the bond 'breakable'? plz reply
The very essence of the term bond means it is 'breakable'. The 5 lakh would be meaningless if it weren't.
However, the fact that you will be going there on a J-1 visa necessitates that you return back to your home country for a minimum of 2 years on completion of your residency unless you manage to find a visa waiver job. In other words - They will kick you out of the US! And that will happen irrespective of the bond.

Focus on your studies. That is something you have control over, unlike the visa issues. You'll regret not putting your best foot forward if in the end this debate turns out to be pointless but you don't score well on your steps.

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The very essence of the term bond means it is 'breakable'. The 5 lakh would be meaningless if it weren't.
However, the fact that you will be going there on a J-1 visa necessitates that you return back to your home country for a minimum of 2 years on completion of your residency unless you manage to find a visa waiver job. In other words - They will kick you out of the US! And that will happen irrespective of the bond.
But are they still giving H1 visas to those applying to places that do give them, to indian medical graduates? Or is it only a j-1 for all indian medical graduates because of the bond issue?
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But are they still giving H1 visas to those applying to places that do give them, to indian medical graduates? Or is it only a j-1 for all indian medical graduates because of the bond issue?
Of course an H1 is theoretically still within our reach, but its like a 1 in 100 chance.
Here's how I look at it - I'm expecting a J1. If I get an H1 I'll be ecstatic! Heck, if I land a residency of my choice I'll be ecstatic irrespective of the visa.
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Of course an H1 is theoretically still within our reach, but its like a 1 in 100 chance.
Here's how I look at it - I'm expecting a J1. If I get an H1 I'll be ecstatic! Heck, if I land a residency of my choice I'll be ecstatic irrespective of the visa.
Hahaha, well said. Get the residency now, think about how to beat the system and stay on after residency later.
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Hahaha, well said. Get the residency now, think about how to beat the system and stay on after residency later.
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The very essence of the term bond means it is 'breakable'. The 5 lakh would be meaningless if it weren't.
However, the fact that you will be going there on a J-1 visa necessitates that you return back to your home country for a minimum of 2 years on completion of your residency unless you manage to find a visa waiver job. In other words - They will kick you out of the US! And that will happen irrespective of the bond.

Focus on your studies. That is something you have control over, unlike the visa issues. You'll regret not putting your best foot forward if in the end this debate turns out to be pointless but you don't score well on your steps.

All the best to you.







thank you...your words sound encouraging
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It seems that the bond has to be filled for new SONs. Has anyone already filled the bond? Where did you find the gazetted officer? And has anyone looked into the legality of the bond?
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