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Congratulations on being matched..yeah yeah partying hard everywhere..
Just a small consideration for all who got low scores/who went unmatched/who failed in CS..

I failed in CS too..My step 1 score was not great either..I got 224..and I matched this season. And NO I did not have any contacts.
CS attempt will definitely be a dark spot in our CV..lets digest that..but that's not the end of the world..Firstly CS is a crappy way to assess the student. Its so very subjective. And the PD's relying heavily on that attempt is another drawback..
We cant change the system..so lets swallow the cupcake and see what we can do to shadow it...

1. Getting high score in other steps will help a lot..I got 256 in my CK and I gave my step 3 too..I graduated in 2011 and I applied in 2012. So I think being done with my step 3 and having result in my hand was an added benefit

2. Doing a clinical research definitely helps. Don't be scared and research doesn't mean dedicating your whole time frame for it..just an hour in morning and an hour in the evening will do..(As it is research is not graded very highly but it will be an extra feather in your cap.) I did a pilot project on 185 cases of Lung cancer. Every PD asked me about it and was impressed with what I told.

3. Waive ur letters if u have confidence in ur attendings. I waived both my US LOR's and both the doctors gave me wonderful recommendations. let them know that you are good with communication and something bad happened during your CS. They will be more than glad to give u a genuine letter. Once you waive it will have more weight

4. Hands on experience is better than doing an observership..hands down anytime..

5. IMP--working on our body language/communication skills/eye contact will go a long way in getting u ur desired residency seat.give a firm hand shake.Not a fishy touch..You should be fluent in English..
We need to take it to the next level when it comes to speaking in English..For example if u are describing a strict teacher in ur med school to the PD;telling him "he is very strict" is different from telling "he is a tough cookie"..
If u want to tell them that you want to be independent and want to help people after residency then saying " I dont want to be like a leech on the society I want to give more to it" has more effect that a plain simple "I want to work hard and help people"..Get what I am trying to say?
We need to be more fluent..use more Idioms..and use them with certain Body language..
Once they get impressed "communication skills" problem will be solved..If they ask you the reason for ur attempt in CS then you can give them any other genuine reason...

6. Sniper gun approach is better than Shot gun approach. Many programs list their requirements. If the program says "strictly we take only students who cleared all exams in first attempt" I personally feel we are wasting our precious 25$ on that program.. applying to anywhere between 150-160 is adequate

7. Joining MPH. Its a good option if u are determined to do ur residency in USA.MPH prog do sponsor visas and they dont give u any headaches. They are usually 2 year courses and u have to pay some nominal fee. You can quit the course if u do get matched the next season..and at the same time u wont be wasting time..You can build some contacts too...
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Hi Dr..!!

Congrats for getting matched.
Myself , an IMG, 2011 passout..
I am abt to give my stp 1 in may 2013 and give my step2 cs in june 2013 and ck in aug 2013, and apply for this yr's match. [planning to do my observrship by june-july.]

If i am falling short of time or some visa problem, and have finished just my step 1 in case by june end, What should i do??

continue with my efforts or try and do ome observrship to get lors and join mph..?? what abt the issue abt 2015 match being , not IMG friendly..what;s your suggestion??
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Congratulations with the Match!

Could you please give an advise about how to answer the question about exam failure? I agree that the more sincere we are the better impression we make but simply answering "well, I have no idea what has happend on the exam, I just screwed everything up" does not seem smart enough... )

And could you also specify which specialty(ies) did you apply, how many programs and how many IVs did you get?

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Hi Dr..!!

Congrats for getting matched.
Myself , an IMG, 2011 passout..
I am abt to give my stp 1 in may 2013 and give my step2 cs in june 2013 and ck in aug 2013, and apply for this yr's match. [planning to do my observrship by june-july.]

If i am falling short of time or some visa problem, and have finished just my step 1 in case by june end, What should i do??

continue with my efforts or try and do ome observrship to get lors and join mph..?? what abt the issue abt 2015 match being , not IMG friendly..what;s your suggestion??

You should take you time with these exams, one bad mark, one failure, not enough USCE will be huge red flags.
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Thank you Dr.Shima..!!

But is it true, that 2015 match is goona get tough, such that none of the img's will be matched..??

If so, whether i should try for 2014 match by giving steps in a hurry and try to match , hoping to nail atleast 1 iv and try my best ,
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having a good score and a better cv (observership, research assist,mph) , try for 2015 match with the risk[ hope you are aware too , that USMLE steps have become mandatory for osteopathic students and the carribean students will be preferred over IMGs , along with increased ug seats of AMG]..??
Some say, 1:1 ratio will prevail, such that AMG ug, will be matched for RESIDENCY in 1:1 by 2015..!!

I am confused over that thought and it is severely hampering my preparations..

It wud be helpful, if someone can help me..!!
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Thank you Dr.Shima..!!

But is it true, that 2015 match is goona get tough, such that none of the img's will be matched..??

If so, whether i should try for 2014 match by giving steps in a hurry and try to match , hoping to nail atleast 1 iv and try my best ,
[or ]
having a good score and a better cv (observership, research assist,mph) , try for 2015 match with the risk[ hope you are aware too , that USMLE steps have become mandatory for osteopathic students and the carribean students will be preferred over IMGs , along with increased ug seats of AMG]..??
Some say, 1:1 ratio will prevail, such that AMG ug, will be matched for RESIDENCY in 1:1 by 2015..!!

I am confused over that thought and it is severely hampering my preparations..

It wud be helpful, if someone can help me..!!

I think that was to scare us. I personally do not believe any of this. I think any IMG with good USMLE scores and good Interpersonal skills [good attitude, not rude, respectful and humble] will be matched.

2015 I think more IMG will match than any other years.
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Thank you Dr.Shima..!!

But is it true, that 2015 match is goona get tough, such that none of the img's will be matched..??

If so, whether i should try for 2014 match by giving steps in a hurry and try to match , hoping to nail atleast 1 iv and try my best ,
[or ]
having a good score and a better cv (observership, research assist,mph) , try for 2015 match with the risk[ hope you are aware too , that USMLE steps have become mandatory for osteopathic students and the carribean students will be preferred over IMGs , along with increased ug seats of AMG]..??
Some say, 1:1 ratio will prevail, such that AMG ug, will be matched for RESIDENCY in 1:1 by 2015..!!

I am confused over that thought and it is severely hampering my preparations..

It wud be helpful, if someone can help me..!!
Also all this has been in place for a long time. Programs take 230+ IMG over AMGs with 200-210 any time. Also do not believe the rumor mill, it will kill your soul.

and the report you are talking about talks about IMG going for the 2015 Sept application which is the 2016. But Again that is not true, many new programs are opening, there is going to be increase of 1000 seats next year plus another 1500 for the year after.

IMG have always played a crucial role in the US-residency history and that is it.

Last edited by shima; 03-21-2013 at 12:21 PM. Reason: 2015-2016 eras timeline.
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Thanks Dr.Shima..!!

Hopefully, it increases in 2015..!!
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Thanks Dr.Shima..!!

Hopefully, it increases in 2015..!!
My friend, with out IMG the us healthcare system will crumble to the ground, and it will be destroyed so fast. The people in charge are not idiots.
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It was quite encouraging and informative. Thanks for taking the time to share ur exp with us.

Could you explain what does "Waiving letters" means? I'm kinda naive to the application process..

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hi guys:and thanks for te nice topic.am a graduate of 2005 took the ck on 2009 and got 204/84.passed the cs snd attempt on 2011 and wishung to take the step one by september.and am still having hope that i may get a match .what do u think???
i have another issue that in my ecfmg registration i did not mention my experience my internship and work experience,i was fooled by a friend not to tell about them...help me with advice plz
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hi guys:and thanks for te nice topic.am a graduate of 2005 took the ck on 2009 and got 204/84.passed the cs snd attempt on 2011 and wishung to take the step one by september.and am still having hope that i may get a match .what do u think???
i have another issue that in my ecfmg registration i did not mention my experience my internship and work experience,i was fooled by a friend not to tell about them...help me with advice plz
ECFMG info has nothing to do with the match. On next step 1 mention it, make no difference.

I am sorry about this. You need to amp up your CV with 1 year USCE and 1 year research. Also 250+ on step 1 and apply to 1 field and make your CV geared to that one field.
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@ Harish kumar
Ur planning is okay but I think u have alloted only 2 months for CK.I dont think that is going to be enough for the prep..get good scores on ur exams..
Dont worry abt the match..Nobody knows the reality..u will hear 101 rumors even stating that Conrad Fisher himself said that 2012 Match was IMG's last match blah blah...just pay a deaf ear to all of them..for the 11th consecutive year the IMG match rate has improved.
Non US citizen match rate is 48%
US citizen IMG match rate is 53%..
So we are pretty much in a safe zone..25-30% of US workforce is from IMGs..they can shut down applications from IMG so fast..
That said yeah doing MPH or hands on will let u fill the gaps in ur CV and ull make some good contacts...
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I failed CS first try and matched Anesthesia, it's not impossible. I had good scores, but I know I was filtered our of a lot of programs. I applied to IM as back up and had IV from university programs but no IVs from crappy community programs.
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Smile Thanks Dr.Shima & Dr.Adavikolanupani

Guys, your suggestions have helped me a lot, and it has changed my plans to a greater extent..!!
Shima, I am preparing with confidence and total focus after setting my target for 2015 match. Now, i believe, i can give my best and secure a good chance for getting placed as IMG in Us residency programs. Thanks Shima for clearing my doubts and putting a stop to the rumor mill, that was ringing in my ears constantly.
I am taking my step 1 in june 2013[apr-june was my step1 peroid] and have planned to give my step 2 in October 2013[ as sugg by Dr.adavikolanupani] , and have planned for the rest, as time flows..

Thanks once again, Hope Everything ends well..!!
Have a great day..!!
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Thank you for sharing your experience. Could you pleas etell more about your research project? I am looking for research opportunities now as well.
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Mine was a pilot project.its a retrospective analysis of lung cancer cases.Its an association between India and Oxford Univ..called INDOX study.Its a multicentric study across 9 cancer centers in India.
Most of the studies which we have today are based on western data.The actual cause of lung cancer in Indian population still remains unknown.We attribute the majority of the cases to smoking.But there are many men&women who dont smoke but still suffer from cancer.
We have looked at other aspects like using biofuel/kerosene/passive smoking/poor ventilation causing smoke stagnation/chewing of tobacco into consideration.
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Hey guys, I got 243 in step 1 last year. I am in last year of my med school and m trying hard to get a leave of 3 months to go for electives but theres lots of red tapism here in my university and chances are very slim that m gonna make it.

that leaves me with observerships and hands on training at a private setting.

which will be better

an observership in good universities like UT texas, cleveland clininc etc

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hands on clinical training in private clinic?

plz reply...i need advise:sorry:
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Try University of Louisville. You can apply for externship there. Also try Orlando, Cincinaty, JAckson Park Hospital, Chicgo and Harvard University. They all accept visitibg international student. You should do it while you are a student.

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Hey guys, I got 243 in step 1 last year. I am in last year of my med school and m trying hard to get a leave of 3 months to go for electives but theres lots of red tapism here in my university and chances are very slim that m gonna make it.

that leaves me with observerships and hands on training at a private setting.

which will be better

an observership in good universities like UT texas, cleveland clininc etc

or

hands on clinical training in private clinic?

plz reply...i need advise:sorry:
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