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The JAMA article says that there will be no more IMGs in 2015. My question is, is it 2015 the year they start residency or 2015 the year they apply for interveiws? because the difference is a whole year.
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It's not up to JAMA weather IMGs are accepted post 2015. JAMA is just a journal written by medical associates, not boards themselves. Each state has a medical board and jointly they form the Federation of State Medical Boards and perhaps they independently and/or jointly hold the decisions, not JAMA. Although there may be members of AMA (who publish JAMA) who are in state medical boards, ultimately it's up to the state boards, not JAMA.
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Thanks for clearing that up. With regards to that article , are they referring to the IMGs that will be starting residencys in 2015 or 2016?
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The JAMA article is not accurate.

If the same trend continues (more US grads and same residency spots) then the number of US grads will match all residency positions by the year 2019 or 2020. Read more about this.

However, I personally think, that the number of residency positions will increase in the coming 2 to 3 years. This is because there has been great pressure from the AMA and the ACGME to increase residency slots. In fact the AMA has created a website just for that issue. Many US Congress members have already started putting up legislation, the most famous of which is increasing 5,000 positions every year over a period of 3 years, the budget for that is really small ($1 Billion) and it will likely pass even in the face of the current fiscal cliff and budget cuts in the US government.

Bottom line, I don't think there will be no more IMGs in the year 2015 or 2016. In fact, I think there will never be a decrease in the number of IMGs.

There are several reasons;
1) IMGs constitute 25% of the doctors workforce and they create a diversity and stability in the US medical system.
2) Rural and Under-served areas are filled with IMGs (some studies put them at 80%) these positions will never be taken by those who have no visa problem!
3) US grads will never apply to community and low profile residencies and therefore the competition is increasing among them to get into (Universities, Urology, Neurosurgery, ..etc) but they are not taking the IMG seats in those low profile places (FM, IM, community hospitals, ..etc)

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Thanks Sabio. That article was reassuring.
Also can any one tell me about the validity of the following link? And is it possible to predict anything with that?

http://www.nejm.org/doi/suppl/10.105...9_appendix.pdf

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Near 50% of IMGs matched this year.
So IMG are safe for 10 years at least from now
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Thanks Sabio. That article was reassuring.
Also can any one tell me about the validity of the following link? And is it possible to predict anything with that?

http://www.nejm.org/doi/suppl/10.105...9_appendix.pdf
This goes into the same context of more US graduates, but as I told you in my previous post, even with these increasing number of US grads, they are not going to affect IMG matching percentages.

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Thanks Alanine40 and Sabio.
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Thank you so much for clearing things up. This article on JAMA was really scaring me.
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Hello, is there any new news regarding this topic?
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my step 1 227, ck 228, green card holder, 14 years graduated , now surgeon out of us and i will take my cs in july; do i have any chance for match 2015? which residency can i match?
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Yea.. Really glad to find its inaccurate. Relief
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The reason for which many people are talking about it , is because since 2015, the American Ostheopathic Associantion and the Accreditation Council for Graduate Medical , will merge , giving the opportunity of for all the american ostheopathic medical students to freely apply to the traditional allopathic programs, which in many programs are preferred to foreign medical graduates. That is why it will become more and more competitive, and down the road (not so far from now) , the number of american medical graduates will surpass the number of residency position, which will make extremely challenging to foreign graduates to get a position.

At some point they Have to increase the number of residency positions, but contrary to what some people think, it will take a while for this to happend, and when it happend it will only increase primary care position in rural areas.

IMGs interesad in FM in Montana starting 2028, Will see the benefits of it
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Default and yet, FMGs are KICKING EACH OTHER and DO NOT WANT TO MAKE A STRONG ORGANIZATION TOGETHER TO FIGHT BACK ! TOOOOO BBBAAADDD !

all the problems are towards FMGs DISCRIMINATION !

TOO BAD ! but FMGS are kicking each other THEMSELVES instead of standing together to make FMG Association for USING ECFMG certificate and creating our own residency for our own association, NO NEED TO DO ANYTHING WITH THOSE GREEDY SYSTEM !

that is my idea, and NOBODY CARE ! FMGs only think of their USMLE scores are better and so they are better than other FMGs and they kick each other!

that only show the weakness to those GREEDY MOGULS to take advantages and exploit FMGs further and further!

apparently USMLE scores really do not tell true intelligence!



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I intend to start a project to help FMGs! Look for people involved! Medical Graduates (AMGs/FMGs) need a FREEDOM SYSTEM! A system rather than this monopoly residency!
I intend to start a project to help FMGs with realistic goals after they obtain ECFMG certificate; they can work as PhAs- physician Associates for a few years then will create a One-year residency for them and they become licensed.

I believe this project would help a lot of FMGs especially when the current residency system is MONOPOLY and EXPENSIVE and very crushing, we need to find a good way for nurture true values and talents instead of oppressing them like the current monopoly residency and ERAS system have been doing for decades and decades.

Remember, the US had never had something called medical licensing until later 1940s'! and now it has become erratic and monopoly and besiege all medical graduates even practicing physicians in this injustice system.


we need to organize so we can become a strong association and we can try to make legislative for our initiative. There have been a couple of times FMGs has petitioned this project to president OBAMA office, but failed because we did not have enough signatures, and we did not do a well organization. Now, we need to prove our potentials, and we stand together to make this real, proving to society that we are a good asset of America!

we try to make our own association to protect our rights!





Medical Graduates (AMGs/FMGs) need a FREEDOM SYSTEM! A system rather than this monopoly residency!

the ERAS system for the NRMP by AAMC is a greedy electronic slaughterhouse.


ironically, they would not say a word in the match about USFMGs/IMGs who are a large sector investment into this slaughterhouse system.

I do not think getting into residency is the ONLY way to become a successful physician who can provide quality of care. The current residency system is pretty much a MONOPOLY system and abusing power of granting or more accurately, stealing from medical graduates (either AMGs or FMGs) their rights of practicing medicine independently!

Anything monopoly is bad!

there should be a more freedom system to give freedom and promote true talents rather than this cynical and oppressing monopoly system!

FMGs should have their own organization. Once they obtain ECFMG certificates, they should be able to work as PhA, physician associates, a mid-level position for 3 to 5 years under supervision of practicing physician to take over the work load; then there should be only ONE MORE YEAR for their residency or WHATEVER training IT SHOULD BE CALLED, just one more year and they become MDs or they can stay at PhAs Physician Associates!


America is an immigrant-based country, it seems those top MDs think they have all the power to manipulate a whole generation of AMGs/FMGs, remember FMGs come here because they are eligible to do USMLEs by accrediting from ACGME international, from Federal Board Medicine of the US, from ECFMG. They are as much qualified as AMGs.


Really, this monopoly system should be seriously changed by a new system that give more freedom to FMGs/AMGs to be able to have different routes for their own career development choices.


Anything monopoly is abusing, and ironically, this system has such "free land" for them to abuse!

Dear guys,

please reply to my opinion, we need to find a way to free ourselves and prove our competency INDEPENDENTLY! to make a REAL DIFFERENCE for medical graduates, and ultimately for communities whom we take care of their well-beings, we should be aware of our own well-beings!

we will initiate the project called Physician Associate to save all and every ECFMG holders, give ourselves a wider and more freedom choices for developing our medical career and be REAL HAPPY !


I need you to stand with me to work out this, please some TRUE ENTHUSIASTIC physicians out there! Either you are AMGs or FMGs, as long as you believe the truth of my message and have the urge to make it happen to make a BIG DIFFERENCE for all of us! PLEASE REPLY ME!
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Hi. I am an anesthesiologist with the experience of 11 years academic position in overseas. The best option in front of me in US is to redo another specialty residency.
I Think you are right and it is not fair for practicing specialist outside the united states to redo the whole residency again. Australia is more fair and the Australian medical council evaluates the applicant CV and interview with him to know his abilities and knowledge and will make a decision about his status. It is a good option to talk about.
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ok - i get that this is a matching period, and people can get especially sensitive during this time. But someone needs to fix the screws – even on an online public forum.

we are applying for institutions in the united states. they didn't ask you to apply, and it is in their perfect right whether to favor anyone. it is one thing to discriminate due to skin of color, or religion when other things being equal. But if they feel obligated to choose AMGs over other students who are hoping to enter US with only a couple months of US clinical experience and clamoring they are better, then they have a perfect right to do so. Otherwise, you are claiming your “rights” that you picked out of thin air and demanding it on a foreign soil.

Forget your scores. Forget how intelligent you think you are. One thing IMGs have to always keep in mind while going through this process is how privileged they are just to have the opportunity to apply. We all want to practice in US for a reason (I wont ask), and they certainly did not beg you to apply. Essentially, each time they are taking you in for an interview, they are taking a chance on you. Always be grateful. It will be a good mindset to have especially when you are going in for the interview.

For those of you who I feel have too much time while waiting for this process, I suggest you watch this clip from youtube of Kaplan interviewing actual program directors. It is an hour and half long, and it will clear any doubts about what's really going on behind PD's mind. (And stop listening to what anyone said on public forum on what feedback they got from PDs they talked to. If they were so good, they wouldn't need to vent here) I urge you to please pay special attention to the part they speak about observership and externship.

Good day to you all.

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And they are merging the AOA (the folks that administer the DO residency programs) with the ACGME.

The plan is, I think, once it is merged, the current DO residency positions open only to DO students will be open to everyone. So that opens up more seats for IMGs.
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It's not up to JAMA weather IMGs are accepted post 2015. JAMA is just a journal written by medical associates, not boards themselves. Each state has a medical board and jointly they form the Federation of State Medical Boards and perhaps they independently and/or jointly hold the decisions, not JAMA. Although there may be members of AMA (who publish JAMA) who are in state medical boards, ultimately it's up to the state boards, not JAMA.
You right here.


But I keep telling IMGs that the USA is not like it was, this newer generation that are becoming PDs are more prejudice than previous. As I talk to them they believe all medical schools out side the US are greatly inferior, despite the modern age and that we now learn from the same sources, having your buttocks in a seat at a US medical school hearing the 1000% same material as in Caribbean or in India, does not seem to register with these PDs, the location is the point not the real issue: education.




Telling you this is pure discrimination and the article is by these people, they hate us.
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And they are merging the AOA (the folks that administer the DO residency programs) with the ACGME.

The plan is, I think, once it is merged, the current DO residency positions open only to DO students will be open to everyone. So that opens up more seats for IMGs.
News flash, this happened years ago DOs can choose both residencies, hopefully it will change to open up DO residencies to MD
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News flash, this happened years ago DOs can choose both residencies, hopefully it will change to open up DO residencies to MD
Read what I posted once more...
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Read what I posted once more...
I did, still its not news its been talked about last few years nothing has happened.
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^He meant the DO residencies will open up to IMGs.......not that MD residencies will open to DO graduates.

Anyway
I am a US citizen but I made the choice to go med school in Pakistan.
I am applying this year, yet I think regardless of what happens, I can not blame any US system for offering/not-offering foreign graduates positions.
It's their right to offer their own graduates first...then anyone else. If they choose to. No one has the right to complain. Their country, their rules.

I would be pissed off if a foreign graduate was offered a position before I was if I chose to apply for house job at my graduating school.
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