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Question Should I wait for next year or go for it ?! Plz advise .

Hi everybody , I'm in a little bit of a situation that I really need an advise ( as always )

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YOG: 2010
STEP1: 228
STEP 2 : 212
1 month of externship in IM with 1 US LoR
2 LoRs from home country

I may get a month of observership before next match with another US LoR & may not.

The problem is that my scheduling permit for CS wasn't issued yet & probably I'll get it within the next few days but there are no free spots to take the test & get the result before September 15th & I have to go back to my home country before the 15th of next month , because I'm getting married & I think I have to be there

so , if I manage to take the test before I go should I apply this year?
if I couldn't take the test I'll have to come back but the results won't be out by the time of the match , if this is the case ,should I apply without CS?

or should I wait whether I could take it or not & try to get more USCE for next year's match ?? that will make me a year older though

I'm gonna apply for 125 Community programs-University affiliated IM & maybe some Family.

please guys,this is a major decision for me & I don't have enough info to make it , I need an advise from people that know the ins & outs of the match , please advise,thank you.

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I know everybody has his\her own problems but I think this is what we're here for , to help each other out , so please if you have any thing to say that might help me make an informed decision , please don't hold back . thanks in advance.
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I know everybody has his\her own problems but I think this is what we're here for , to help each other out , so please if you have any thing to say that might help me make an informed decision , please don't hold back . thanks in advance.
I have a somewhat similar (worse) grievance and I would also like to hear advice about it.
IMG, tourist visa holder
YOG: 2000
Practicing medicine in my own country since then
Step 1 234
Step 2 CS: will take it sonn and wait results in October
Step 2 CK: will take it in August or September (I guess not a problem since I won't have my CS result on time anyway)
No USCE, but looking into it now
No LORs
I should have international publications by now but I've been foolishly idle
Aimed for USMLE until recently when I could finally afford to do it

At this rate, I could be ready for 2015 match, but what if I apply for this 2014 match relaying only in pure dumb luck with only USMLE scores and no LORs no USCE? I've read somewhere in these forums that people had matched without them
Do I harm my 2015 chances if I apply and don't get matched in 2014?
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I passed step 1 havent done step 2 CK or CS. If I apply to programs with a late CS score and I am rejected from the interveiw can I apply to that same program the next year and be selected for interwievs when I have USCE?
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In my opinion, unless a person has stellar scores like 250+ than they should not apply without all their scores in before sep 15. Being ecfmg certified is a big plus for any application cuz the program knows that these ppl will probably not have any issues with their paperwork nor getting their medical license to start residency on time.
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In my opinion, unless a person has stellar scores like 250+ than they should not apply without all their scores in before sep 15. Being ecfmg certified is a big plus for any application cuz the program knows that these ppl will probably not have any issues with their paperwork nor getting their medical license to start residency on time.

yes., i must agree. programs worry about these things
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yes., i must agree. programs worry about these things
Programs also worry about YOG, with a strong preference given to very recent graduates.
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Programs also worry about YOG, with a strong preference given to very recent graduates.
How many years after graduation is considered an old graduate?
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How many years after graduation is considered an old graduate?
The earlier the better. I'm not in a position to answer exactly when but there's hope for everyone as long as they make themselves stand out and I have great admiration for the old grads who, years removed from the books, work hard to create opportunities for themselves. The phrase 'never give up' is used far too often on these forums but there's always hope - even for the grad 15 years out of college who failed his first attempt at Step 1.
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YOG vs YOP are two different topics.

I would say 5 years and less is safe for YOG but 3 Years or less out of practice with at least 3 month USCE. anything more is a red flag
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YOG vs YOP are two different topics.

I would say 5 years and less is safe for YOG but 3 Years or less out of practice with at least 3 month USCE. anything more is a red flag
Absolute nonsense - you seem to introduce arbitrary cut-offs which are based solely on your own half-baked ideas.

You contribute nothing constructive to these forums, aiming to discourage and criticise.

I graduated last week and would compare my credentials to yours any time, yet even I take offence to your foolish notions. The truth is, there are very few well defined cut-offs for programs. Some programs require a minimum Step score (usually ~ 220, NOT 250 as shima points out). Your application will be viewed as a whole, taking each individual component separately to formulate a picture of the entire individual.

We work in a field where giving hope is the cornerstone. Do we tell our patients with advanced cancer, 'don't bother even trying to fight it, you're going to die soon either way'?

What worries me is that people will take shima's far-fetched figures, cut-offs and opinions as fact and just give up. I believe shima does these forums a huge disservice.
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I understand your frustration, and I am sorry.

do you understand what i have written down. If you did not understand, is a reply to YOG.

some programs have a YOG cut off, they do not care about your scores or USCE. Just like how some programs have a filter for VISA or GC.
some programs care for YOP.

you want me to come on these forum and tell people to apply to programs which dont sponsor visa, which require less than 3 years out of practice and at least 6 month USCE for fun as hope , so they can match.

I believe people will have the right to know the facts. and they can base their life on their own research. not on some post on a forum.


and FYI, YES I would tell a terminally ill patient about end of life care and would not give them hope of seeing their grandchildren they do not have yet.


after 5 years of graduation your chances of matching drops by 50%. I say this due to number of programs available to which you could apply is 50% less.

I am waiting to compare our credentials like how little boys compare there toys.

Also I understand why you think I say this, but looking at www.matcharesident.com you will see what I am saying is correct.

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I understand your frustration, and I am sorry.

do you understand what i have written down. If you did not understand, is a reply to YOG.

some programs have a YOG cut off, they do not care about your scores or USCE. Just like how some programs have a filter for VISA or GC.
some programs care for YOP.

you want me to come on these forum and tell people to apply to programs which dont sponsor visa, which require less than 3 years out of practice and at least 6 month USCE for fun as hope , so they can match.

I believe people will have the right to know the facts. and they can base their life on their own research. not on some post on a forum.


and FYI, YES I would tell a terminally ill patient about end of life care and would not give them hope of seeing their grandchildren they do not have yet.


after 5 years of graduation your chances of matching drops by 50%. I say this due to number of programs available to which you could apply is 50% less.

I am waiting to compare our credentials like how little boys compare there toys.

Also I understand why you think I say this, but looking at www.matcharesident.com you will see what I am saying is correct.
You're trying to generalise something that can't be generalised. Some programs have a YOG cut-off, most don't. Furthermore, one's chances dropping by 50% hardly constitutes a 'red flag'.

Your understanding of the entire process is skewed. If someone is happy to settle for a community program/ family med, a good majority of your "advice" doesn't apply. In any application, there are tangibles and intangibles - for example, the match rates for certain countries such as Pakistan, Jordan, Syria, have been abysmal, while they have been much better for Indians in terms of that side of the world.

Absolutely - private message me for credentials if you like. To ensure everything is above board, I think we should include supporting material as verification (screenshots of score reports, links to articles/ conference presentations).
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You're trying to generalise something that can't be generalised. Some programs have a YOG cut-off, most don't. Furthermore, one's chances dropping by 50% hardly constitutes a 'red flag'.


Your understanding of the entire process is skewed. If someone is happy to settle for a community program/ family med, a good majority of your "advice" doesn't apply. In any application, there are tangibles and intangibles - for example, the match rates for certain countries such as Pakistan, Jordan, Syria, have been abysmal, while they have been much better for Indians in terms of that side of the world.

Absolutely - private message me for credentials if you like. To ensure everything is above board, I think we should include supporting material as verification (screenshots of score reports, links to articles/ conference presentations).
I would not mind family medicine in a community program, since in the future I would be returning to My home country. where family medicine makes over 500k a year.
having done 9 month clinical rotations my self in USA in various hospitals, being married to a doctor and working for st. goerge university has showed me I should take whatever I could take .
will I be happy with family hell yeah, peds yeah, do I have to apply to internal since I need to stay where my husband works in the end for sure.

personally I see how the students of my school score , we have people like me with scores of 250+ on step 1 who only want primary Care.

again since I do not know you I can not send you a link of my name , but as I have said before, or posted before, I have
9 month us clinical rotation, Rotated at Yale, Emory, north western.
3 month externship clinics in south Chicago.

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but who cares ,

I just want to match.

I guess we have to wait and see till next march

I hope you reach all your endeavors with success and happiness.
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but who cares ,

I just want to match.

I guess we have to wait and see till next march

I hope you reach all your endeavors with success and happiness.
I wish you all the best also.

It's going to be difficult for you to obtain a lot of interviews without Step 2 CK or Step 2 CS, particularly in light of the fact that you're coming over from a Caribbean school. Nevertheless, I'm sure you'll do fine and wish you the best.
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I wish you all the best also.

It's going to be difficult for you to obtain a lot of interviews without Step 2 CK or Step 2 CS, particularly in light of the fact that you're coming over from a Caribbean school. Nevertheless, I'm sure you'll do fine and wish you the best.
Syncity, I can see you have not seen my old post. I respect that a lot. since you do not have a lot of time on your hands.

I got 240+ on step 2 CK , CS exam in couple of weeks and passed step 1 with 255.

But now I totally understand why you make your comments, you do not have time to look at old post.

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Syncity, I can see you have not seen my old post. I respect that a lot. since you do not have a lot of time on your hands.

I got 240+ on step 2 CK , CS exam in couple of weeks and passed step 1 with 255.

But now I totally understand why you make your comments, you do not have time to look at old post.

You only commented on your Step 1 score in the aforementioned post.

Why the drop from Step 1 to Step 2 CK? That'll worry PDs.
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You only commented on your Step 1 score in the aforementioned post.

Why the drop from Step 1 to Step 2 CK? That'll worry PDs.
missed 20 questions in step 2 CK exam. that last block tripped me out.


Also I did STEP 2 CK first.
so is not a drop is a improvement.
I thought it would be better to do it this way since that how my friends did it and it worked out for all of them. they all matched last year, many to community but a few to some good universities [Yale, Cornel, MSU, OKU, WSU, Columbia].

Plus why make a thread on Step 2 CK where I only beat the mean by 7 points. 244 is not a great score in CK.


but I will compensate by applying to all the primary care positions possible. already I found 187 IM programs, 85 FM, 88 Peds. Also I am applying to 30 Radiology.

thats what St. George tells its students to do.

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missed 20 questions in step 2 CK exam. that last block tripped me out.


Also I did STEP 2 CK first.
so is not a drop is a improvement.
I thought it would be better to do it this way since that how my friends did it and it worked out for all of them. they all matched last year, many to community but a few to some good universities [Yale, Cornel, MSU, OKU, WSU, Columbia].

Plus why make a thread on Step 2 CK where I only beat the mean by 7 points. 244 is not a great score in CK.


but I will compensate by applying to all the primary care positions possible. already I found 187 IM programs, 85 FM, 88 Peds. Also I am applying to 30 Radiology.

thats what St. George tells its students to do.
There is no way to possibly know that you only missed 20 questions on CK. I scored 12 points better than you on CK and am certain I missed a lot more than 20 questions. Furthermore, I notice you're giving advice on Step 2 CS when you haven't taken the exam - utterly fatuous!

I'll be applying to 60 IM programs. St. George's approach offers security, recognising the pitfalls of Caribbean training.
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There is no way to possibly know that you only missed 20 questions on CK. I scored 12 points better than you on CK and am certain I missed a lot more than 20 questions. Furthermore, I notice you're giving advice on Step 2 CS when you haven't taken the exam - utterly fatuous!

I'll be applying to 60 IM programs. St. George's approach offers security, recognizing the pitfalls of Caribbean training.

I missed 20 questions I did not do 20 question since the time ran out. 11 first block, 5 in block 2 and the rest spread all over.

Going to the Carribean is the worst decision anyone can make. I would suggest, Australia, Ireland, UK since in the end you can get 3-4 LOR from US physicians.


Look at this https://www.aamc.org/download/249322/data/pdws_ug.pdf
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Reason why I am giving advice on CS forum is since my husband did the exam is fresh in my mind, also I took a course for CS prep so just trying to give back from what i learned.
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I think Shima has found a competitor for the Usmle-Forums Consulting position in Syncity...............
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I think Shima has found a competitor for the Usmle-Forums Consulting position in Syncity...............
I was merely trying to point out the fallacy of what Shima does here.

As I mentioned above, there are tangibles and intangibles in any application. The tangibles, such as scores and YOG are given far too much credence on these forums (albeit they are extremely important factors - see: NRMP Charting Outcomes). There are a whole host of other factors that are never considered here, including the reputation of the person's school, their country of graduation and residence, class rank, the consistency of their medical school scores, life experience, the quality of their LORs (people seem to believe that having US LORs is the be all and end all without knowing what type of appraisal they contain). Research experience is rarely taken into account on these forums. This is the reason I'm always of the opinion that there's hope for people, even if their situation doesn't seem very promising.

Neither Shima nor I are PDs so could never give concrete answers. However, I feel Shima states her opinions with a degree of conviction that would lead people to believe otherwise (e.g. stating that a YOG >5 years ago is a "red flag" when it blatantly isn't). Irrespective, I'm sure she has done more research than I have in the area and is probably better qualified than I am to give opinions.
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