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Question ECFMG certification probably in november

I did not know about the whole reporting thing (My bad) , I am taking it on july 30...reporting date oct9-nov 6....Please tell me if I can apply this year or not? I have very slim chance to land a position but I want to try nonetheless....

1.How long it might take to issue me the certification after I have passed the exam?

2.can I apply on sep 15 without passing CS ?

3. Any advice or real life experience on the whole matter will be highly appreciated.

Please help me out...feeling very dumb fot not doing my homework...

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First of all applying with CS scores is not necessary but without it your interview chances will drastically decrease and you are most likely to waste your money in applying to programs

why ???

because according to the program directors survey an NRMP publication (2012)... majority of the programs need your CS scores to even consider you ....like
  • FM considers 91 percent of people who have their CS scores in hand when applying
  • IM ----84 %
so you are most likely to get filtered out when you apply without CS scores

what the other 10-15 % had such exceptional scores on STEP 1 or had a very strong CV with handful no of LORs and research to go with the scores ....

Now if you apply late you will then again you have a limited chance to secure interviews as most competitive programs had already filled their slots for interview with the students who had their application completed on time and applied early .

So it depends on you ....if your scores are very good then apply .... and if not better apply when you are ready completely
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First of all applying with CS scores is not necessary but without it your interview chances will drastically decrease and you are most likely to waste your money in applying to programs

why ???

because according to the program directors survey an NRMP publication (2012)... majority of the programs need your CS scores to even consider you ....like
  • FM considers 91 percent of people who have their CS scores in hand when applying
  • IM ----84 %
so you are most likely to get filtered out when you apply without CS scores

what the other 10-15 % had such exceptional scores on STEP 1 or had a very strong CV with handful no of LORs and research to go with the scores ....

Now if you apply late you will then again you have a limited chance to secure interviews as most competitive programs had already filled their slots for interview with the students who had their application completed on time and applied early .

So it depends on you ....if your scores are very good then apply .... and if not better apply when you are ready completely
Thanks for your post! What scores are considered "good" for IM and Neuro to apply without ECFMG before Nov? Does this chart include all programs ( Uni, community hospital affiliated, community hospital...)?
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I did not know about the whole reporting thing (My bad) , I am taking it on july 30...reporting date oct9-nov 6....Please tell me if I can apply this year or not? I have very slim chance to land a position but I want to try nonetheless....

1.How long it might take to issue me the certification after I have passed the exam?

2.can I apply on sep 15 without passing CS ?

3. Any advice or real life experience on the whole matter will be highly appreciated.

Please help me out...feeling very dumb fot not doing my homework...

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If you have stellar USMLE step 1 and 2 CK scores (by stellar more than 250) then you can apply, however bear into account that you will be discarded for interviews in almost every place.. almost all hospitals demand that IMG's are ECFMG certified ON TIME when applying for the match.

Once you have passed all of the steps, the ECFMG certificate takes 2 weeks to arrive to your household (at the most).
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If you have stellar USMLE step 1 and 2 CK scores (by stellar more than 250) then you can apply, however bear into account that you will be discarded for interviews in almost every place.. almost all hospitals demand that IMG's are ECFMG certified ON TIME when applying for the match.

Once you have passed all of the steps, the ECFMG certificate takes 2 weeks to arrive to your household (at the most).

ECFMG certification happens the day you pass your last exam and your ECFMG status will be updated on ERAS automatically.
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ECFMG certification happens the day you pass your last exam and your ECFMG status will be updated on ERAS automatically.
Yes, I was talking about the amount of time the actual certificate/paper arrives to you house
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Correct me if am wrong .....

You get ECFMG verified the day when you pass all of your exams and that is enough to apply for the match

in two weeks you get ECFMG certified after it but you can still apply when you are ECFMG verified
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Thanks for your post! What scores are considered "good" for IM and Neuro to apply without ECFMG before Nov? Does this chart include all programs ( Uni, community hospital affiliated, community hospital...)?

Yes this includes all programs .....

and here is a link where you can find all the info regarding scores required inorder to match to your desired field .....
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ECFMG certification happens the day you pass your last exam and your ECFMG status will be updated on ERAS automatically.
Thanks so much for this info. It's a great relief. I thought it would take an additional number of days to get certified, after receiving our last step exaam result.
Is there anything we need to do to make sure the certification doesn't get delayed? I already have started my Medical Educations Credentials verification processing. Are there any other documents needed, so that we can become ECFMG certified immediately, on receipt of final step exam scores?
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I am in same confusion..i can be ecfmg certified in dec/jan at the earliest, as i am giving this step 2 cs in oct..have 240 in step 1, no USCE...so is there any use applying for match? or should i just take my chances??
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I am in same confusion..i can be ecfmg certified in dec/jan at the earliest, as i am giving this step 2 cs in oct..have 240 in step 1, no USCE...so is there any use applying for match? or should i just take my chances??

You only have step 1, you dont have CK and you will take CS a month AFTER the match begins... you have 0 USCE... You better think twice or even thrice before even daring to apply.. you will get zero interviews
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I have passed step 1.Hoping to do CK in july.And CS in August. What are my chances of getting interveiws this year? Thanks in adance,
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I have passed step 1.Hoping to do CK in july.And CS in August. What are my chances of getting interveiws this year? Thanks in adance,
People should stop asking this question.. I will answer you with the same generical response I always give

If you had an extremely good Step 1 score and get an awesome step 2 CK you can apply, HOWEVER most hospitals demand, require and put as a interview criteria ECFMG certification, you wont be certified..I dont know anything about your USCE nor your specialty of choice nor your legal status etc.

Your chances by pure statistics are from slim to nil
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People should stop asking this question.. I will answer you with the same generical response I always give

If you had an extremely good Step 1 score and get an awesome step 2 CK you can apply, HOWEVER most hospitals demand, require and put as a interview criteria ECFMG certification, you wont be certified..I dont know anything about your USCE nor your specialty of choice nor your legal status etc.

Your chances by pure statistics are from slim to nil
could not of said it better.
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People should stop asking this question.. I will answer you with the same generical response I always give

If you had an extremely good Step 1 score and get an awesome step 2 CK you can apply, HOWEVER most hospitals demand, require and put as a interview criteria ECFMG certification, you wont be certified..I dont know anything about your USCE nor your specialty of choice nor your legal status etc.

Your chances by pure statistics are from slim to nil
OK, new question.
My step 2 CS result won't be on time for September 2013.
I'm yet to do USCE and by 2015 match I could get it done.
Let's say I take my chances and upload my application late in November or December, all residencies are taken and I don't get matched. Money wasted.
Do this harm my 2015 match application? Being repeat applicant I mean.
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OK, new question.
My step 2 CS result won't be on time for September 2013.
I'm yet to do USCE and by 2015 match I could get it done.
Let's say I take my chances and upload my application late in November or December, all residencies are taken and I don't get matched. Money wasted.
Do this harm my 2015 match application? Being repeat applicant I mean.
Thanks for your patience.
HI, now thats a smart question that hasnt been asked enough and people should rather think about this than the other stupid question..

I have read that some program directors see a repeat applicant with a red flag.. but that is not as bad as having failed a step or not being certified on time..

SOme repeat applicants improve their CV so much that in fact they can be seen with good eyes (program directors like passion, effort, endurance and so on)

Also depends when you graduate.. if you will remain as a recent graduate even by 2015 match I would advise you NOT to apply and instead get awesome scores , include step 3 and get as much USCE as possible
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HI, now thats a smart question that hasnt been asked enough and people should rather think about this than the other stupid question..

I have read that some program directors see a repeat applicant with a red flag.. but that is not as bad as having failed a step or not being certified on time..

SOme repeat applicants improve their CV so much that in fact they can be seen with good eyes (program directors like passion, effort, endurance and so on)

Also depends when you graduate.. if you will remain as a recent graduate even by 2015 match I would advise you NOT to apply and instead get awesome scores , include step 3 and get as much USCE as very possible
could not agree more. A very good advice.
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So just to clarify things, you guys suggest waiting for scores and ECFMG certificate and apply a year later, rather than applying with an incomplete application and possibly having to be a repeat applicant the year after right???

Plus, do program directors know you are applying for the second/third time? I mean how can your application show that you're applying for second time? Sorry this may be a dumb question but i don't know the answer.

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So just to clarify things, you guys suggest waiting for scores and ECFMG certificate and apply a year later, rather than applying with an incomplete application and possibly having to be a repeat applicant the year after right???

Plus, do program directors know you are applying for the second/third time? I mean how can your application show that you're applying for second time? Sorry this may be a dumb question but i don't know the answer.

Thanks for your input. This is a helpful thread

what are your marks. 240+/250+ apply
if not do not apply, but if you have the cash to make the gamble apply. 225/237+ apply if you have the cash but with USCE to back it up.

the programs that IV you or reject you will know, there is something called the program director guide PDF file from eras I think if you google it you will find it, it explains how PD could figure out who is repeat applicant, but does it matter, no.
I ask again what are your marks, usce lor,???
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Shima, could you please post the link to that PDF?
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Shima, could you please post the link to that PDF?
https://www.aamc.org/download/249322/data/pdws_ug.pdf

is big it might take a while to load.
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Thanks Shima. Now I have some idea of a program directors abilities.
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When Do you need the ECFMG certification to get higher chance of getting IV in September or November?
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When Do you need the ECFMG certification to get higher chance of getting IV in September or November?
Before September, 15th I guess, bad news for us who won't have our results in time for that.
Step 2 CS take like 3 months if not a little more.
In my understanding September and early October is when most interviews are taking place and when most residency spots are taken.
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Hey guys,

I'll be writing my CK on july 24th.. I already took the CS awaiting the results.. Do you think I'll be able to get CK results in time? NBME website says that people writing CK beginning on July 27th will get their results by September 25th..
Another thing, do you think it'd be worth it to apply without the CK?

My creds: IMG, need visa, YOG-2010, currently finishing PhD in pharm, +10 publications including 1 systematic review @ JAMA, 6 months hands-on in ivys, Step1 265, Step 2Cs took it on atlanta on may 17th still waiting, 4 US clinical Lors... Applying only for IM..
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Step 1 239
CS July result will b out by Nov
CK August Result will be out by 25th of Sep
so far 1 Mo USCE = 1LOR
Sep will be doing another Externship =1LOR
2 LOR from Pakistan
about 1 yr of Clinical exp with invasive procedures done.
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Planning to apply mostly in 150 IM programs
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70 Surgery
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What you guys think my chances are..
should i apply in more programs?
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Step 1 239
CS July result will b out by Nov
CK August Result will be out by 25th of Sep
so far 1 Mo USCE = 1LOR
Sep will be doing another Externship =1LOR
2 LOR from Pakistan
about 1 yr of Clinical exp with invasive procedures done.
YOG 2011

Planning to apply mostly in 150 IM programs
70 FM
70 Surgery
30 Peds
What you guys think my chances are..
should i apply in more programs?
Pakdoc, for family medicine, applicants need USCE to get interviews.
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HI, now thats a smart question that hasnt been asked enough and people should rather think about this than the other stupid question..

I have read that some program directors see a repeat applicant with a red flag.. but that is not as bad as having failed a step or not being certified on time..

SOme repeat applicants improve their CV so much that in fact they can be seen with good eyes (program directors like passion, effort, endurance and so on)

Also depends when you graduate.. if you will remain as a recent graduate even by 2015 match I would advise you NOT to apply and instead get awesome scores , include step 3 and get as much USCE as possible

How about this I'm in a similar situation. YOG 2012: Step 1 234, Step 2CK in July, but last NBME I took at me at 256, so let's just be vague and say 240 for CK. I couldn't get a CS till Oct this year. US Citizen from Asian Medical School so no visa problems.

2 Months of USCE: 2 LOR from US faculty MD's that I did rotations with, than 1 private letter. Have a few accommodations noted for clerkship IE a special award, but NO research. I have CV packed few extra curricular stuff like helping out alumni foundation of our school and community out research programs (organizing Medical-Dental missions). Lastly have a few professional accreditations ( ACLS & PALS, does this even matter to them )

Also have 1 year of experience teaching weekly physiology course at a medical school in Asia this past year. I want to do IM/Anesthesia. Should I even brother applying this year since you said some PD wont even look at me because of the ECFMG certification being late.

OR, would it be better for me to roll the dice and try for a prelim in IM this year at least than try reapplying for anesthesia/IM categorical spot the following. Would I even have a chance for prelim spots interviews? My thinking was landing a prelim at least gives me a shot at making a categorical into IM/Anesthesia the following.

My cousin who graduated from residency in family med said they just want bodies to fill in prelim, so I might have a chance at least landing for prelim, but probably no chance for categorical IM/anesthesia this year. I don't want to apply though, not get any interviews, than I screwed myself for the next match as well.

Getting a ton of pressure from my family to apply and start residency.

Any feedback would greatly be appreciated.
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HI, now thats a smart question that hasnt been asked enough and people should rather think about this than the other stupid question..

I have read that some program directors see a repeat applicant with a red flag.. but that is not as bad as having failed a step or not being certified on time..

SOme repeat applicants improve their CV so much that in fact they can be seen with good eyes (program directors like passion, effort, endurance and so on)

Also depends when you graduate.. if you will remain as a recent graduate even by 2015 match I would advise you NOT to apply and instead get awesome scores , include step 3 and get as much USCE as possible
Hi I have a question too, hope you don't mind answering. What happens if someone has taken ERAS token for this year and has uploaded LORs and other transcripts to ERAS but hasn't applied to a single program? If he/she doesn't apply to a single program this year will he/she be considered a repeat applicant the next year he/she applies?
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And what about the programs that say that they don't need the cs score by the time of application but they need it by march?
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And what about the programs that say that they don't need the cs score by the time of application but they need it by march?
And if they receive other applications having their CS scores on time , will they even look at your application ?

Answer is no .... if you had an exceptional 260 then it is a different story
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