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rejection on saturday evening. UNIVERSITY OF ALABAMA neurology program..


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Add me to the list. Had heard so many great things about this program, was at the top of my wishlist.
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Rejection from U of Alabama at Birmingham. On a Saturday afternoon.
Guys, do you think it'd be a good idea to send emails to those programs that I haven't heard back from and ask about the status of my application? I would really appreciate your thoughts on this.
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Rejection from U of Alabama at Birmingham. On a Saturday afternoon.
Guys, do you think it'd be a good idea to send emails to those programs that I haven't heard back from and ask about the status of my application? I would really appreciate your thoughts on this.
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Sorry about Alabama guys. When it comes to the south, my silence is simply due to not applying there.

My opinion regarding e-mailing programs is still the following:
Would you gain anything from writing the program?
In my opinion, if your e-mail does not contain new information to justify itself, it won't help, or might hurt you.

Option A) you write the co-ordinator. He/She is not in a position to decide on invitation, so showing interest to her is not going to be helpful in any way. If the program received let's say 500 applications, and 20% of the people bomb her with e-mails, she's not going to have time nor patience to reply. What would she say anyway? She's not going to push your application just because you've written an e-mail.

Option B) you e-mail the PD. He/She is extremely busy with clinical work, reading apps, coordinating interviews. Wouldn't you be angry if you'd receive 10 totally unnecessary e-mails/day from people who just cannot wait for their turn? So this person might actually have control over your app and invitations and you risk infuriating him/her just because you cannot wait?

If you have a new score available, have a new publication accepted in a high impact journal, won the Nobel prize, etc., you should consider writing to the coordinator or PD. Otherwise, I personally think it's totally pointless or even potentially harmful.
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Sorry about Alabama guys. When it comes to the south, my silence is simply due to not applying there.

My opinion regarding e-mailing programs is still the following:
Would you gain anything from writing the program?
In my opinion, if your e-mail does not contain new information to justify itself, it won't help, or might hurt you.

Option A) you write the co-ordinator. He/She is not in a position to decide on invitation, so showing interest to her is not going to be helpful in any way. If the program received let's say 500 applications, and 20% of the people bomb her with e-mails, she's not going to have time nor patience to reply. What would she say anyway? She's not going to push your application just because you've written an e-mail.

Option B) you e-mail the PD. He/She is extremely busy with clinical work, reading apps, coordinating interviews. Wouldn't you be angry if you'd receive 10 totally unnecessary e-mails/day from people who just cannot wait for their turn? So this person might actually have control over your app and invitations and you risk infuriating him/her just because you cannot wait?

If you have a new score available, have a new publication accepted in a high impact journal, won the Nobel prize, etc., you should consider writing to the coordinator or PD. Otherwise, I personally think it's totally pointless or even potentially harmful.
Yes I agree. That was really well said. Just think how many people are out there just like you, worrying and waiting. It's very unlikely they lost your application or forgot about you or have somehow put your application on the bottom of the pile just because other people are calling or emailing them. Have faith in the process. It works for loads of people every year.
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Hi guys,

I had a question prompted by an invitation to interview to a commercially-run residency program (eg. not university-affiliated). What are your feelings on this kind of place?

Maybe i should clarify my goals:
For me, I primarily want to be a clinician at a somewhat reputable place that will turn me into a good neurologist. I am open to and interested in research and would like to pursue that as well as teaching, but only after I satisfy my need to be a clinician. Fellowship is definitely in my plan. I want to be happy and feel secure as well in my residency.

How does a non-university setting (we don't have that kind of training program in my home country) differ from the university-one, other than less dollars for research?
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Hi guys,

I had a question prompted by an invitation to interview to a commercially-run residency program (eg. not university-affiliated). What are your feelings on this kind of place?

Maybe i should clarify my goals:
For me, I primarily want to be a clinician at a somewhat reputable place that will turn me into a good neurologist. I am open to and interested in research and would like to pursue that as well as teaching, but only after I satisfy my need to be a clinician. Fellowship is definitely in my plan. I want to be happy and feel secure as well in my residency.

How does a non-university setting (we don't have that kind of training program in my home country) differ from the university-one, other than less dollars for research?
hi.. can u please tell me which program is it ? thankq. please PM .. i advise you to be honest in your future plans as u mentioned in ur Personal statement, if nothing is already mentioned then . u can just say like u said above.
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Hi guys,

I had a question prompted by an invitation to interview to a commercially-run residency program (eg. not university-affiliated). What are your feelings on this kind of place?

Maybe i should clarify my goals:
For me, I primarily want to be a clinician at a somewhat reputable place that will turn me into a good neurologist. I am open to and interested in research and would like to pursue that as well as teaching, but only after I satisfy my need to be a clinician. Fellowship is definitely in my plan. I want to be happy and feel secure as well in my residency.

How does a non-university setting (we don't have that kind of training program in my home country) differ from the university-one, other than less dollars for research?
Commercially run residencies are mostly in private hospitals, and not affiliated with any university. They have their own standards of care, and very personalized approach to patients. Every condition/medicalSituation is approached with a certain treatment protocol in university hospitals, and any deviation is punished. Private hospitals, they also have protocols that are within standard of care regulated by state, but they have more freedom to deviate. I heard this from gen surgery resident years ago, he was very happy with his choice and become top notch specialist in his field later.
Private hospitals update to new things fast, walk at the same pace with innovations, while for universities takes years to innovate or update anythings since they have to go through many signatures...
The university hospital that I worked had no protocol for using tPA for couple of years after its FDA approval, and wasn't able to treat patients, while private hospital across the street already was treating patient successfully, so imagine! If your aim is to become awesome clinician, private residency is a do! You can still do research with university!
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did anyone of u apply to NON ACGME residency programs? or any programs that are not participating in ERAS?
please let me know . thankq
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did anyone of u apply to NON ACGME residency programs? or any programs that are not participating in ERAS?
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I did not.
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No I did not either.
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can anyone give me few programs not participating in ERAS. or few NON ACGME programs. i want to apply those .

thanks a lot. much appreciate the help.
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can anyone give me few programs not participating in ERAS. or few NON ACGME programs. i want to apply those .

thanks a lot. much appreciate the help.
I didn't apply to those and have no idea about names of programs. I saw some programs on Freida while searching for programs earlier this year. Unfortunately can't recall programs. Check out Freida I guess.
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I got two rejections today. So far I didn't get anything on Mondays. I'm concluding this week is gonna be active! in my advantage, hopefully!
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I got two rejections today. So far I didn't get anything on Mondays. I'm concluding this week is gonna be active! in my advantage, hopefully!
1 prelim rejection on my side. No drama.
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Today was good. I bought shoes and got two invitations, two rejections. Still haven't got a prelim invite. :\
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3 IVs (2 categorical and 1 advanced) in the past 2 days.
Hopefully this will continue to be a good week.
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3 IVs (2 categorical and 1 advanced) in the past 2 days.
Hopefully this will continue to be a good week.

congratulations. thats awesome. can u please share ur creds and which hospitals ? Please PM me .
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Same. Feels weird.
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I haven't heard from the following states at all:
Arizona,
Arkansas,
Florida,
Georgia,
Indiana,
Kentucky,
Mississippi,
Nebraska,
Oklahoma,
South Carolina,
Virginia,
Vermont,
West Virginia.
If you dont mind to just list states that you heard rejection/iv please let me know. You don't need to tell whether it is rej or iv . Please do not list the state only because you got acknowledgment letter, thanks
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I haven't heard from the following states at all:
Arizona,
Arkansas,
Florida,
Georgia,
Indiana,
Kentucky,
Mississippi,
Nebraska,
Oklahoma,
South Carolina,
Virginia,
Vermont,
West Virginia.
If you dont mind to just list states that you heard rejection/iv please let me know. You don't need to tell whether it is rej or iv . Please do not list the state only because you got acknowledgment letter, thanks
I haven't heard from (Neurology programs only):
Arkansas
(didn't apply to California)
Colorado (I'm getting the impression they never take IMGs)
Connecticut
Florida
Georgia
IL - any Chicago program
Indiana
Maryland
Michigan
Minnesota (except I got rejected by Mayo clinic)
(didn't apply to Mississippi)
Nebraska
New Hampshire
NY - I have heard from several programs but most of the ones in NYC are still silent)
OH - I have only heard from CC (rejection as well)
Oregon
Rhode Island
South Carolina
Tennessee
Texas
Utah
Virginia
Washington
(didn't apply to WV)
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Did anyone hear from St.louis university program ?
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any one rejection from utah ? i just got at 12:37 EST
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any one rejection from utah ? i just got at 12:37 EST
No. But I got one from Peoria which is traditionally IMG friendly.
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Congratulations! I'd be thrilled if I heard back from any program from there!
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Nope, did not hear!
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Did anyone hear from St.louis university program ?
I've heard from SLU, yeah. And a rejection from Peoria too (weird). Haven't heard from Utah or Chi-town!!! Plus STILL no preliminaries and I have two invites to places that are only 3 years and don't coordinate at all with their IM department. One place doesn't even have a preliminary position at their institution.
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260(1)/252(1)/Pass(1)/2010(Europe)/clinical research in a US university since 2011/No visa needed.

Side notes:
- enrolled in a PhD program at my original med school w/ anticipated grad in spring 2014.
- currently 7 publications in pubmed (will be >10 by end of the year), all in neuro.
- >6 poster presentations.
- participated in weekly neurological conferences at the hospital but no direct observership done yet (planning to shadow with some of the physicians I'm collaborating with)
- US. LORs: didn't start asking but I work with 2 clinical and 1 research neurologists, and also with a neuroradiologist and a neurosurgeon.

I don't think shadowing would really improve my application. Maybe doing some volunteership would help more. What do you think?
I work full-time anyway, and been tired of prepping for USMLE being my "second job", so I don't want to overdo any of the above.
Holy jesus! That's a lot of research work and you are graduating in 2014 How did you manage to do so much research work as a student?
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Holy jesus! That's a lot of research work and you are graduating in 2014 How did you manage to do so much research work as a student?
I think you missed my actual year of graduation from medical school, which is 2010. I had 3 years for research so far, although not without difficulties... The 2014 grad date was anticipated for my PhD. However, this summer, I re-evaluated my plans and iced the PhD a bit. I'm still working on the requirements, but I realized that getting a defense scheduled might interfere with the timetable of the Match, and getting matched has absolute priority. Too bad posts are not editable retrospectively so that I clarify this.
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I think you missed my actual year of graduation from medical school, which is 2010. I had 3 years for research so far, although not without difficulties... The 2014 grad date was anticipated for my PhD. However, this summer, I re-evaluated my plans and iced the PhD a bit. I'm still working on the requirements, but I realized that getting a defense scheduled might interfere with the timetable of the Match, and getting matched has absolute priority. Too bad posts are not editable retrospectively so that I clarify this.
Okay .. but still I think u got a really good profile. I got few questions, i hope u don't mind answering them for me:
1) What are the most IMG friendly neurology programs?
2) What are the average step scores of IMGs who match into neurology?
3) How many months of USCE is considered good enough for neurology?

Thanx in advance and good luck with the matching!
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Okay .. but still I think u got a really good profile. I got few questions, i hope u don't mind answering them for me:
1) What are the most IMG friendly neurology programs?
2) What are the average step scores of IMGs who match into neurology?
3) How many months of USCE is considered good enough for neurology?

Thanx in advance and good luck with the matching!
Tough questions

1) The most IMG friendly programs have more IMGs than AMGs. For example University of Buffalo has more than 80% IMGs. You can either go on the webpages of programs, check resident rosters looking for place of graduation and do the math, or use FREIDA (residency and fellowship database search engine, you can find it by typing freida ama into google. I think you have to register to use it). In FREIDA under the program profiles in the Faculty&Trainees tab they might (or might not) provide info on the percentage of IMGs in the program. On my scale:
<10% = "IMG hostile" (no matter how well you do, you won't get in)
10-25% = "IMG neutral" (you can get in if you do better than most)
25-80%= "IMG friendly" (you get in if you do better than most AMGs)
>80% = "IMG magnet" (you get in if you do better than most IMGs)
(I'm not implying that AMG are superior, but they enjoy priority and the evaluation system is designed to suit them, thus their credentials will be perceived superior to most IMGs').

2) You won't find separate IMG averages disclosed anywhere. The unified average is around 227 on both steps for neuro. But if you ask me how much you should aim for? Way above average, as high as you can get without going insane and still having time to do CS and observerships (or research).

3) Nobody knows. It's the most subjective measure of all and thus could vary between programs or even committee members within the same program. For example, I was participating (even actively) in weekly physician meetings for years, but only started shadowing on clinics since this summer. How would you count the length of my USCE? Subjective.
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1) The most IMG friendly programs have more IMGs than AMGs. For example University of Buffalo has more than 80% IMGs. You can either go on the webpages of programs, check resident rosters looking for place of graduation and do the math, or use FREIDA (residency and fellowship database search engine, you can find it by typing freida ama into google. I think you have to register to use it). In FREIDA under the program profiles in the Faculty&Trainees tab they might (or might not) provide info on the percentage of IMGs in the program. On my scale:
<10% = "IMG hostile" (no matter how well you do, you won't get in)
10-25% = "IMG neutral" (you can get in if you do better than most)
25-80%= "IMG friendly" (you get in if you do better than most AMGs)
>80% = "IMG magnet" (you get in if you do better than most IMGs)
(I'm not implying that AMG are superior, but they enjoy priority and the evaluation system is designed to suit them, thus their credentials will be perceived superior to most IMGs').

2) You won't find separate IMG averages disclosed anywhere. The unified average is around 227 on both steps for neuro. But if you ask me how much you should aim for? Way above average, as high as you can get without going insane and still having time to do CS and observerships (or research).

3) Nobody knows. It's the most subjective measure of all and thus could vary between programs or even committee members within the same program. For example, I was participating (even actively) in weekly physician meetings for years, but only started shadowing on clinics since this summer. How would you count the length of my USCE? Subjective.
Thanx for the detailed responses mate
I have taken step 1 so far. I got 239. Is that good enough?
I am gonna be doing one neurology elective at UH case medical centre in feb 2014, after which i have to face CS in march. I will write my CK later in 2014 or early 2015.
As far as your USCE is concerned, I don't know how to count physician meetings the only USCE i know of is electives or observerships.
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Thanx for the detailed responses mate
I have taken step 1 so far. I got 239. Is that good enough?
I am gonna be doing one neurology elective at UH case medical centre in feb 2014, after which i have to face CS in march. I will write my CK later in 2014 or early 2015.
As far as your USCE is concerned, I don't know how to count physician meetings the only USCE i know of is electives or observerships.
239 is decent. Aim above 250-260 for step 2 and you'll be just fine USMLE-wise. Although it's unknown how the match will change in the next couple of years as they increase the number of U.S. grads substantially. It's gonna be even more of a gamble in the future IMHO.
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Thanx for the detailed responses mate
I have taken step 1 so far. I got 239. Is that good enough?
I am gonna be doing one neurology elective at UH case medical centre in feb 2014, after which i have to face CS in march. I will write my CK later in 2014 or early 2015.
As far as your USCE is concerned, I don't know how to count physician meetings the only USCE i know of is electives or observerships.
BTW, a medical school rotation in the U.S. is regarded the highest quality USCE you can get, as it is formal training in the U.S. Your could only be limited by the rotation being too far away from the match (as stated by some nit-picky programs).
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iv uni of missouri ,columbia. any ideas abt the prog?
Congratulations on the interview!

I think the program is decent. The hospital gets a 39.5/100 on US news neuro/neurosx rankings, which is around the same as SUNY Syracuse/Upstate, SUNY Downstate or U of Vermont to name a few, and better than St. Louis University's main hospital. I think they have around 3-4 residents per year, making it a small-average sized program in terms of colleagues. I get the sense it is quite IMG friendly and it's also a categorical program. They get a small amount of research funding from NIH. I think it would be quite liveable and of decent quality for an IMG-friendly program.

The city is s'posed to be really nice, eg. very safe, good education, probably quite left wing for Missouri--a nice college town.

Any other thoughts? These are just bits of info I've turned up.
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Congratulations on the interview!

I think the program is decent. The hospital gets a 39.5/100 on US news neuro/neurosx rankings, which is around the same as SUNY Syracuse/Upstate, SUNY Downstate or U of Vermont to name a few, and better than St. Louis University's main hospital. I think they have around 3-4 residents per year, making it a small-average sized program in terms of colleagues. I get the sense it is quite IMG friendly and it's also a categorical program. They get a small amount of research funding from NIH. I think it would be quite liveable and of decent quality for an IMG-friendly program.

The city is s'posed to be really nice, eg. very safe, good education, probably quite left wing for Missouri--a nice college town.

Any other thoughts? These are just bits of info I've turned up.
My 2cents:

Don't read to much into US news rankings.
1. it is not really transparent how they do the ranking.
2. they lump neurosurgery and neurology together.

About their NIH research funding, it's 400K from 1 grant this year, which is really on the low side, and as it is from a single grant, don't expect too many research opportunities readily available to you. You can always create them for yourself though.
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My 2cents:

Don't read to much into US news rankings.
1. it is not really transparent how they do the ranking.
2. they lump neurosurgery and neurology together.

About their NIH research funding, it's 400K from 1 grant this year, which is really on the low side, and as it is from a single grant, don't expect too many research opportunities readily available to you. You can always create them for yourself though.
I am still searching for sources of information from somewhere. The 2005 forum post of top 82 neuro programs is even less transparent than us news plus it's getting to be quite old. Any other ideas as to where to look?

I think in the end, the main way you will figure out what a place is like is just to see it at interview or talk to people that have worked there. But if anyone has any resources please share!
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I am still searching for sources of information from somewhere. The 2005 forum post of top 82 neuro programs is even less transparent than us news plus it's getting to be quite old. Any other ideas as to where to look?

I think in the end, the main way you will figure out what a place is like is just to see it at interview or talk to people that have worked there. But if anyone has any resources please share!
Been there, done that. Those rankings from the forums are absolutely useless.

Online dating is a metaphor that keeps on coming up related to the Match, but I think it's an excellent one:

You cannot meaningfully rank a group of attractive ladies based on their on-line profiles merely. Even if some of them are top models, you'll be stuck with them for years and the novelty of the "I'm dating a model" status wears out quickly.

I was told the following:
Know what parts of neuro interest you. Look up the fellowship placements of people from the program who went for fellowships in your fields of interest. If they went to the top places, the program is good at the that specific field, if they stayed at the program (which is not prestigious) than it's probably not too strong in the particular field.

Look at the NIH funding (you can find it on the NIH site, or I can send it to you, since I gathered them…). Don't overemphasize the role of NIH funding though:
1. many places get private research funding too
2. those resources are not going to be at your disposal directly. It only means, you'd have opportunities to find mentors who are funded that can give you a head start in research. The research funding is mainly for the research staff and correlate with the number of junior researchers that are employed (such as me).

Therefore, NIH funding shall be perceived as a permissive factor for future research efforts. Honestly, if someone has no affinity/interest for research (and many of us have none), these numbers are totally useless.

I think program size is an important factor. My hypothesis is that a successful program shows steady growth during the years. Also, although small progs are like families, if someone gets out of work due to family issues, pregnancy or illness, the remaining residents would have to struggle to keep the hospital running.

In the end your decision will be intuitive. You'll have an idea whether you would click with the other residents or not. What I've seen at my last iv. where the vast majority of interviewees were AMGs, the whole process and mindset is different for the IMGs. AMGs assume they would be automatically taken and it's like buyers' market for them, while honestly, for the IMG it's less of a "which place I'd choose" and more of a "which place would take me" kind of matter.
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thanks for ur valuable input guys. its enlightening. i dont know what the interview process is like. medical questions? do they grill you?
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thanks for ur valuable input guys. its enlightening. i dont know what the interview process is like. medical questions? do they grill you?
Yeah I'm about to do my first interview and apparently there are two group interviews as well as some private ones at this place. I've never done a group interview! I'd appreciate any preparation tips for either group or private interviews. People say, "research the program", but I don't know what particulars are relevant and some websites are quite limited in their info. I'm also not sure if, as a woman, I should dress in a power suit or if I can be more flexible with my interview outfit. What are folks wearing?

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A suit is necessary as everyone interviews in a suit.
dont have much idea about group interviews. but I dont think they ask you much about their program as they already know abt it.

the main point is to know everything about your application. they even ask you about small details in your letter of recommendation. so know what is written in them(unless it is waived)
then they talk about your clinical experience. "what kind of research study was it " sort of questions.
medical questions are difficult to handle as you are so stressed you cant think of anything logical. but the best you can do is look at stuff in your cv,letters, ps and know what you have written.
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Yeah I'm about to do my first interview and apparently there are two group interviews as well as some private ones at this place. I've never done a group interview! I'd appreciate any preparation tips for either group or private interviews. People say, "research the program", but I don't know what particulars are relevant and some websites are quite limited in their info. I'm also not sure if, as a woman, I should dress in a power suit or if I can be more flexible with my interview outfit. What are folks wearing?

Thanks in advance! XD
Now that I see you are a female, please replace the ladies with gentleman in my on-line dating example:P

At my iv-s the women wore suits, some with skirts, some with pants. The guys were also really conservative: white or light blue shirts, black suits, but colorful ties.
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At my iv-s the women wore suits, some with skirts, some with pants. The guys were also really conservative: white or light blue shirts, black suits, but colorful ties.
Does the suit have to be black? I bought dark grey and navy!
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Does the suit have to be black? I bought dark grey and navy!
That's just as good.
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I received an IV email from Henry Ford earlier. A few minutes later there was another email saying that the earlier email was sent in error.

What the f _ _ _ ! Very careless PC or whoever was responsible for such an erroneous email. Moreover, the PC should improve his English grammar. It's a shame from someone who is a native English speaker. They expect the IMG applicants to be fluent and conversant in English when they themselves are not.

They're escalating our already heightened anxiety!
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I received an IV email from Henry Ford earlier. A few minutes later there was another email saying that the earlier email was sent in error.

What the f _ _ _ ! Very careless PC or whoever was responsible for such an erroneous email. Moreover, the PC should improve his English grammar. It's a shame from someone who is a native English speaker. They expect the IMG applicants to be fluent and conversant in English when they themselves are not.

They're escalating our already heightened anxiety!
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Hey guys.. congrats to everyone interviewing and to the ones still waiting including myself.. hang in there ..
Just wanted to know if anyone has heard from any programs in Florida? any input would be great..
havent applied in too many places... lets just say less than 40.. so my hearts been pounding outside my chest
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Hey guys.. congrats to everyone interviewing and to the ones still waiting including myself.. hang in there ..
Just wanted to know if anyone has heard from any programs in Florida? any input would be great..
havent applied in too many places... lets just say less than 40.. so my hearts been pounding outside my chest
Only from U of Florida Jacksonville.
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yeah i heard from right in the beginning... a big fat no.. it was expected though.. i saw the ominous '250' on their site and just knew
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Do you mean Gainesville? Jacksonville had no such req. AFAIR.
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Just wanted to know if anyone has heard from any programs in Florida? any input would be great..
havent applied in too many places... lets just say less than 40.. so my hearts been pounding outside my chest
Gainesville. Rejection
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Never heard from Florida state! I like warm climate so really hoping to get IV from there!
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Do you mean Gainesville? Jacksonville had no such req. AFAIR.
oh youre right.. i did mean gainsville seems like my minds moving on way faster than it should .. nope i havent heard from jacksonville..
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THIRD EMAIL, PLEASE STOP EMAILING AND CALLING, PLEASE READ THE EMAIL BELOW,
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THERE WAS A MASS EMAIL SEND IN ERROR.
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She is rude!!! She should apologize. Good thing the PD herself apologized. What does she expect from the applicants who received the "email in error"? It is expected that these people including myself, who are very anxious with the on going matching process, will drop her emails or calls to clarify on the matter. She doesn't know what we're going through.

We spend so much time and money trying to learn the English language fluently, and trying to come up with excellent and error-free PS and other documents relating to our application including our replies to invitations. But look at this PC, her English sucks! She doesn't know when to use capital letters. It's very unprofessional to use all caps in a letter which as formal as this one...lol...She doesn't know how to use the punctuation marks: period, comma, colon, and quotations marks. She only used comma in her letter and never used period. There should be a period between the phrases "emailing and calling" and "Please read". There should be a colon after the word "below". She should have enclosed in quotation marks her statements following the word "below". She doesn't know when to use the articles "a" and "an". The word email should be preceded with the article "an" and not "a". She doesn't know when to use past tense form of the verb. The verb "receive" in her statement "any emails receive today" should be in the past tense and not present tense...LOL LOL LOL...

I'm just trying to make fun of this PC for making fun of us guys and for insulting us...

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She is rude!!! She should apologize. Good thing the PD herself apologized. What does she expect from the applicants who received the "email in error"? It is expected that these people including myself, who are very anxious with the on going matching process, will drop her emails or calls to clarify on the matter. She doesn't know what we're going through.

We spend so much time and money trying to learn the English language fluently, and trying to come up with excellent and error-free PS and other documents relating to our application including our replies to invitations.

But look at this PC, her English sucks! She doesn't know when to use capital letters. It's very unprofessional to use all caps in a letter which as formal as this one...lol...She doesn't know how to use the punctuation marks: period, comma, colon, and quotations marks. She only used comma in her letter and never used period. There should be a period between the phrases "emailing and calling" and "Please read". There should be a colon after the word "below". She should have enclosed in quotation marks her statements following the word "below". She doesn't know when to use the articles "a" and "an". The word email should be preceded with the article "an" and not "a". She doesn't know when to use past tense form of the verb. The verb "receive" in her statement "any emails receive today" should be in the past tense and not present tense...LOL LOL LOL...

I'm just trying to make fun of this PC for making fun of us guys and for insulting us...
It gave me a bit of a sarcastic laugh. Due to dyslexia or panic, Terry Bell is obviously terrible at writing in english.

I received a personalized rejection letter from Vanderbilt ped. neuro today. I really appreciate it, I think they were very considerate.
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It gave me a bit of a sarcastic laugh. Due to dyslexia or panic, Terry Bell is obviously terrible at writing in english.

I received a personalized rejection letter from Vanderbilt ped. neuro today. I really appreciate it, I think they were very considerate.
Ha. That's brill!
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I received a personalized rejection letter from Vanderbilt ped. neuro today. I really appreciate it, I think they were very considerate.
Ok...I give Terry Bell the benefit of the doubt that she was in panic...lol

I received the same from Vanderbilt. Very personalized rejection, and it made me smile. It was my first time to smile and feel happy while reading a rejection letter. Initially, I thought it was an IV letter, just to find out after reading the letter that it was actually a rejection letter. It was my first time to receive a rejection from a program in PDF file and sent as an attachment. Very professional indeed, and very well written. I was happy to see my name addressed as Dr. _ _ _ _ and my home address written as the addressee. Terry Bell should follow the example of Vanderbilt...lol...Kudos to Vanderbilt PD and PC

However, because myERAS does not support PDF formats, no copy of the rejection letter was sent to myERAS.
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did anyone get an email from Joseph's Hospital Internal Medicine Preliminary PGY-1 program . arizona .

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^I applied to none of the above.

Did anyone receive an actual invitation to Henry Ford?
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there is still hope for you.
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Has it been as quiet for everyone as it has been for me any updates fellow neuro appliers?
NONE. I only received 1 hold from adult neuro last week.
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Whats a hold
"We are not offering you an iv but we keep you as a spare".
I perceive it as a "glorious" rejection.
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Definitely getting more rejections than invites now and the inviting program interviews are often full by the time they answer me (even if I answer them within 20 min-1 hr). Rejections from all kinds of IM programs and also from neuro. Neuro rejections over the last two weeks include: Utah, Colorado, UVA, University of Maryland.

Why do all the programs only invite on Thursdays and Fridays?? Ughhh...

Still am without an IM interview so I am cancelling some of my neuro spots from programs that don't offer prelims at all. That's what you gotta do.

How grilling are you guys finding the interviews, for those of you that have started? My first one was super relaxed, talking more about the program than me.
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today is really active for me: 4 IM rej + 2 neuro rej (UVA; Colorado expected!)
not even one IV for IM, but thankfully all neuro IVs are categorical!!
To all of you who had IV, please share what girls carry to IVs in their hands (purse?)!!! I have no idea what to take with me! Thanks and Good Luck!
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Thanks for the input, guys.

Yes, the fact that most programs only offer thursday and friday interviews is killing me too. Although, my scheduling problems seem to get resolved by the abrupt stop if the inflow of invites
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today is really active for me: 4 IM rej + 2 neuro rej (UVA; Colorado expected!)
not even one IV for IM, but thankfully all neuro IVs are categorical!!
To all of you who had IV, please share what girls carry to IVs in their hands (purse?)!!! I have no idea what to take with me! Thanks and Good Luck!
Yes the purse problem. I nearly bought a $700 perfect interview purse before a few good people talked me off the ledge. What I decided on in the end was a feminine briefcase/purse hybrid, definitely in black and probably better structured than floppy. I got mine ON SALE from Kate Spade (they have a lot of amazing purses-very respectable but also stylish and just excellent storage design). Check out their website for ideas. Mine stores a pair of flats in case of shoe/foot failure, all my regular stuff I schlep around, and relevant papers and notes. It also doesn't look that big. I can put it on my shoulder with moderate amount of suit-disturbance and I can also carry it in my hand (which I hate doing--I NEED my hands!). Coach has amazing purses too, but much too much money.

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Yes the purse problem. I nearly bought a $700 perfect interview purse before a few good people talked me off the ledge. What I decided on in the end was a feminine briefcase/purse hybrid, definitely in black and probably better structured than floppy. I got mine ON SALE from Kate Spade (they have a lot of amazing purses-very respectable but also stylish and just excellent storage design). Check out their website for ideas. Mine stores a pair of flats in case of shoe/foot failure, all my regular stuff I schlep around, and relevant papers and notes. It also doesn't look that big. I can put it on my shoulder with moderate amount of suit-disturbance and I can also carry it in my hand (which I hate doing--I NEED my hands!). Coach has amazing purses too, but much too much money.

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Two of those "perfect interview purses" could buy my car
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I know. I know. But when a woman's heart is gripped by the perfect purse, sanity isn't listening. It hasn't happened very often to me in the past, but it's happened to me now for sure.
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Definitely getting more rejections than invites now and the inviting program interviews are often full by the time they answer me (even if I answer them within 20 min-1 hr). Rejections from all kinds of IM programs and also from neuro. Neuro rejections over the last two weeks include: Utah, Colorado, UVA, University of Maryland.
This is the time when we have to start calling programs to schedule I guess. I have no invites since Oct 23. I've only gotten prelim rejections in this time frame. It's getting more and more difficult to rationalize the wait.
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One new invite with only one date available that is next week. I have a feeling that at this point, most programs have already filled their iv spots, and they only call people off their wait/hold/spare lists to fill the new openings.
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One new invite with only one date available that is next week. I have a feeling that at this point, most programs have already filled their iv spots, and they only call people off their wait/hold/spare lists to fill the new openings.
I agree. I also got a new invite and was told the only date available is Dec 6th. Soo far I have 3 ivs for neurology all categorical and 2 IM iv. Hoping at this point, its enough to pull off a match
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One new invite with only one date available that is next week. I have a feeling that at this point, most programs have already filled their iv spots, and they only call people off their wait/hold/spare lists to fill the new openings.
I think I know which program it is. Did you get a phone call from them today?
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Nope. It was a regular e-mail invite.
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I agree. I also got a new invite and was told the only date available is Dec 6th. Soo far I have 3 ivs for neurology all categorical and 2 IM iv. Hoping at this point, its enough to pull off a match
Just got another IV new york city
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Great, man you're getting there!
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I got 2 interviews this week, but both of them had only one date available. As you guys say, it seems like we depend on programs' waiting lists at this point.
From this point on, it will be total chaos with lots of chain reactions. Someone cancels, program invites people from their wait list, then some of the new invitees cancel their conflicting appointments (because many of us are almost completely booked for Dec and Jan), then the places that have new cancellations pull people from their wait list, and so on and so forth. It would be really interesting to model this mathematically.

Too bad this randomness bears heavy on my purse…
I really envy you CheshireCat with your purse issue, I've been selling my instruments to cover my travel expenses.
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Got another wait list call from a PGY-2 program. Of course, they only had one date... This is the first offer I declined. At this point, I'm in a lucky situation of having statistically sufficient PGY1 offers (9 adult, 3 pediatric) so I will be selective.
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Also, this is the point where I started writing to programs inquiring about my status, so I can slowly buy plane tickets to my already scheduled ivs with fear of interference from other interesting programs.
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Also, this is the point where I started writing to programs inquiring about my status, so I can slowly buy plane tickets to my already scheduled ivs with fear of interference from other interesting programs.
Same here. Only I'm calling instead of emailing. Have already received 4 'on hold' emails and was told by 2 more programs that I'm 'on hold' when I called them. At this rate I feel positive about receiving at least 1 or 2 more invitations by December. The past month has been extremely dry. Arid in fact! More than freakin Sahara.
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Hi, I got an interview call; I reply with preferred dates the next day. But later they told me that all slots are full. No +ve response via email/phone. can anybody assist. thnx Sam
Call, call, call.

Moral of the story: at this time of the season you have to e-mail back in 15 minutes, or call.
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Hi guys,

Next issue I am facing (as are probably many of you) is how to approach these thank you letters post-interview. So far I have emailed the program coordinator and the program director of the first program I interviewed at, though this program was a very casual place and I thought emailing conveyed the proper tone. Now, for future places:
1) type-written mailed letters? Emailed letters? Hand-written fancy notes? (I really don't want to bother with this last)
2) What to include? How much detail and personalization? How long?
3) Who to thank? Program director, coordinator, chairman if you interviewed with him? Chief or other residents? other attending interviewers? One thank you letter mentioning all of these people?

Let's share our thoughts on the matter!
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Thank you for bringing this topic up! I want to know as well!
1. No handwritten notes please! eMAIL !!!!
2+3 waiting for responses!
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Thank you for bringing this topic up! I want to know as well!
1. No handwritten notes please! eMAIL !!!!
2+3 waiting for responses!
PD, Coordinator (not because it improves your position, but they are doing a really nice job), and the people you enjoyed talking to. Personalize it based on the topics that came up.

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