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Does anybody have any new info on the absolute necessity of a SSN for getting a PTAL?

Can you match just having the proof of applying and then, when you get the J1 and a SSN seal the deal for the PTAL?
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Does anybody have any new info on the absolute necessity of a SSN for getting a PTAL?

Can you match just having the proof of applying and then, when you get the J1 and a SSN seal the deal for the PTAL?
To what i know, California programs won't even interview you without seeing your PTAL. Don't quote me on that though.

What you can quote me on however is that they will not rank you definitely unless your PTAL comes through before rank listing day.
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To what i know, California programs won't even interview you without seeing your PTAL. Don't quote me on that though.

What you can quote me on however is that they will not rank you definitely unless your PTAL comes through before rank listing day.
Wrong and wrong. I was interviewed and ranked without the PTAL. I also called the Cali medical board to see if I could get the PTAL in time between graduation and my start date, and they said yes. The SSN is an absolute requirement though.
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so is it possible to use the J1 obtained after matching to obtain a SSN, and then obtain the PTAL?

Sorry if this sounds dumb
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so is it possible to use the J1 obtained after matching to obtain a SSN, and then obtain the PTAL?
Yes. It's very difficult if you're graduating that year though because your J1 won't come through until after graduation, making the timeline too tight to start on time. The program could probably accommodate that, but it's stressful. Also, keep in mind that you need to be physically present in the US to get your SSN, so that'll need to happen pretty soon after matching in order to get your PTAL moving. Lastly, you can start the PTAL process without the SSN, you just need a SSN to complete it. About half the work can be done without a SSN.
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Yes. It's very difficult if you're graduating that year though because your J1 won't come through until after graduation, making the timeline too tight to start on time. The program could probably accommodate that, but it's stressful. Also, keep in mind that you need to be physically present in the US to get your SSN, so that'll need to happen pretty soon after matching in order to get your PTAL moving. Lastly, you can start the PTAL process without the SSN, you just need a SSN to complete it. About half the work can be done without a SSN.

im confused:
what does graduating from your med school back home have to do with getting a j1 visa in the US?
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Yes. It's very difficult if you're graduating that year though because your J1 won't come through until after graduation, making the timeline too tight to start on time. The program could probably accommodate that, but it's stressful. Also, keep in mind that you need to be physically present in the US to get your SSN, so that'll need to happen pretty soon after matching in order to get your PTAL moving. Lastly, you can start the PTAL process without the SSN, you just need a SSN to complete it. About half the work can be done without a SSN.
I might be guilty of generalising my statement to all california programs. But a LOT (majority-most) do require PTAL before applying/matching.

Here are a few examples i found.

1) Eisenhower medical center- http://www.emc.org/gme.cfm?id=851
2) Huntington memorial hospital- http://www.huntingtonhospital.com/Ma...formation.aspx

3)Scripps Mercy- http://www.scripps.org/for-health-ca...__how-to-apply

4) University of California (Davis) http://www.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/interna...s/resapp1.html

5) University of California (Irvine) http://www.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/interna...s/resapp1.html

6) Loma Linda http://lomalindahealth.org/medical-c...ency/faq.page?

7) St Marys Medical Center http://www.stmarysmedicalcenter.org/...owships/220442


And there are many more for sure. Considering there are around 30 programs in California (Realistically for an IMG about 15-20?), applying without a PTAL isn't very helpful.

Not to mention of course that even if some programs do let you match without PTAL assuming you'll get it before starting your residency, most of the time they will hesitate to match you because in case your PTAL doesn't go through, they lose a resident, and they cannot risk that. Not unless the applicant is so supremely qualified.

All the above have come out of research and talks with various people who've matched in california programs. NAC Attack, its awesome you matched in Cali! Congrats. I don't know how much you'd agree with what i've said earlier, but ould you really say that applying without a PTAL on hand is worth it? (Considering the financial implications and the chances)
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I might be guilty of generalising my statement to all california programs. But a LOT (majority-most) do require PTAL before applying/matching.

Here are a few examples i found.

1) Eisenhower medical center- http://www.emc.org/gme.cfm?id=851
2) Huntington memorial hospital- http://www.huntingtonhospital.com/Ma...formation.aspx

3)Scripps Mercy- http://www.scripps.org/for-health-ca...__how-to-apply

4) University of California (Davis) http://www.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/interna...s/resapp1.html

5) University of California (Irvine) http://www.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/interna...s/resapp1.html

6) Loma Linda http://lomalindahealth.org/medical-c...ency/faq.page?

7) St Marys Medical Center http://www.stmarysmedicalcenter.org/...owships/220442


And there are many more for sure. Considering there are around 30 programs in California (Realistically for an IMG about 15-20?), applying without a PTAL isn't very helpful.

Not to mention of course that even if some programs do let you match without PTAL assuming you'll get it before starting your residency, most of the time they will hesitate to match you because in case your PTAL doesn't go through, they lose a resident, and they cannot risk that. Not unless the applicant is so supremely qualified.

All the above have come out of research and talks with various people who've matched in california programs. NAC Attack, its awesome you matched in Cali! Congrats. I don't know how much you'd agree with what i've said earlier, but ould you really say that applying without a PTAL on hand is worth it? (Considering the financial implications and the chances)
I wouldn't apply to Cali unless there are really compelling reasons to do so, and the weather isn't one. I mostly agree with what you're saying, but it's pointless to speak in absolutes when discussing the match. When I was applying I was told with absolute certainty that I would never get interviewed in Cali because I had no PTAL. I did get interviewed. I was told it was impossible to apply for a PTAL without a SSN (Edit: you need one to finish the application by the way). It is possible. I was offered an interview from one of the programs you listed above without the PTAL, in spite of the website saying that wouldn't happen. Applying to Cali is much lower yield financially and educationally (ie:you'll probably get a lower program that where you'd get elsewhere), but it's not the Alcatraz it's made out to be.
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im confused:
what does graduating from your med school back home have to do with getting a j1 visa in the US?
Lots. You can't start the J1 process without having ECFMG certification. You can't be ECFMG certified without having graduated. So if the guy asking the question was in his final year, he has to do all that stuff before he can complete the PTAL. It makes the timeline very very difficult.
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I wouldn't apply to Cali unless there are really compelling reasons to do so, and the weather isn't one. I mostly agree with what you're saying, but it's pointless to speak in absolutes when discussing the match. When I was applying I was told with absolute certainty that I would never get interviewed in Cali because I had no PTAL. I did get interviewed. I was told it was impossible to apply for a PTAL without a SSN (Edit: you need one to finish the application by the way). It is possible. I was offered an interview from one of the programs you listed above without the PTAL, in spite of the website saying that wouldn't happen. Applying to Cali is much lower yield financially and educationally (ie:you'll probably get a lower program that where you'd get elsewhere), but it's not the Alcatraz it's made out to be.
Fair enough. Just a couple of follow up questions if that's OK with you. Because i would love to match at California (no "compelling" reasons though i confess).

1) Did you get more than 1 IV call from a California program?

2) The place you matched at in Cali, was it absolutely without using any contacts?

Thanks for the detailed answer though!
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@NAC attack thanks for info! but would love to know more about the process.
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I applied in CA with progress letter for PTAL and get one interview call yet. Only thing I need to get my final PTAL is SSN/ITIN as mentioned in the letter given by Medical board of California. I am wondering weather this program will rank me without PTAL or not? Any suggestion ? Should I go for interview or not?
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