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Question Observership in ERAS?

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Observerships done in US are entered in work experience or volunteer experience?
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Hi guys..anyone reply..?
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Im wondering where should i put research work - still no publication but active in research ?
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I guess it is under volunteer experience unless you had good hands on experience.
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Observerships done in US are entered in work experience or volunteer experience?
As per Kaplan advisor, the general rule is if you are getting paid, it's work. If you are not getting paid, be it observership or externship, it's volunteer.
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As per Kaplan advisor, the general rule is if you are getting paid, it's work. If you are not getting paid, be it observership or externship, it's volunteer.
Are you sure, i heard something else. I read somewhere something like:
"Include Clinical and Teaching experience as work experiences, include all unpaid extra-curricular activities and committees you have served on as volunteer experiences

Could someone correct me on these below?

Under the work category, you'd have:
- Unpaid teaching volunteering done as an MS III/MS IV (teaching sections of pre-clinical courses to med students) ...
- Unpaid clinical volunteering at free health clinics
- Paid past work experience of any kind that you decide to include

Under the volunteer category, you'd have:
- Student leadership roles
- Involvement in clubs
- Non-clinical volunteer/charity work

So im guessing it would be under the category of Unpaid clinical volunteering at free health clinics or Paid past work experience of any kind that you decide to include.

But its how you interpret it i guess.
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So are people putting there observer ships / externships as work experience or volunteer experience? - in both situations both would be unpaid.

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I've put it under work experience. gets the attention easier.
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So are people putting there observer ships / externships as work experience or volunteer experience? - in both situations both would be unpaid.

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I will recommend putting it under volunteer for IMG on F-1 visa, because you are legally not allowed to work under F-1 visa.
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What if your a U.S Citizen/Greencard holder?

It seems like a topic which is not set in stone, something that really is not right or wrong. Considering i am a citizen (not sure how much that matters) im going to keep it work experience.
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What if your a U.S Citizen/Greencard holder?

It seems like a topic which is not set in stone, something that really is not right or wrong. Considering i am a citizen (not sure how much that matters) im going to keep it work experience.
I am a permanent resident therefore i do not need visa sponsorship. However, whatever you did that was unpaid is considered volunteer experience. Ex. volunteering in free clinics allows you to actually see, interview, examine and actually participate in management. But you are still labeled a volunteer. Observerships are at an even lesser level since in most cases, the only thing you do is "shadow" physicians. Some doctors will have more faith in your skills especially after they get to know you and will then allow you to see patients and report to them similar to what a resident would do. But this is still considered a "volunteer" position. Same goes for any teaching you did as a medical student.

I have 2 research experiences, one as a "volunteer" and one that i am paid to do, so i described it as "work". I have also written an abstract that will be submitted to a national conference, i have described this as "Research", simply because i didnt just blindly follow some research protocol, i actually have produced some output with my name attached to it.

This is just my 2 cents on the topic. If you still have doubts, call ERAS and get first hand information. Then post what you learned here so we can all be on the same page.
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I am a permanent resident therefore i do not need visa sponsorship. However, whatever you did that was unpaid is considered volunteer experience. Ex. volunteering in free clinics allows you to actually see, interview, examine and actually participate in management. But you are still labeled a volunteer. Observerships are at an even lesser level since in most cases, the only thing you do is "shadow" physicians. Some doctors will have more faith in your skills especially after they get to know you and will then allow you to see patients and report to them similar to what a resident would do. But this is still considered a "volunteer" position. Same goes for any teaching you did as a medical student.

I have 2 research experiences, one as a "volunteer" and one that i am paid to do, so i described it as "work". I have also written an abstract that will be submitted to a national conference, i have described this as "Research", simply because i didnt just blindly follow some research protocol, i actually have produced some output with my name attached to it.

This is just my 2 cents on the topic. If you still have doubts, call ERAS and get first hand information. Then post what you learned here so we can all be on the same page.
I understand what your getting at. But the term volunteer is loosely used in America but when it is used it mostly refers to volunteering (not being paid) your time to organizations/events/etc. Though you volunteer your time with a doctor your doing it for a benefit of gaining experience/LoR/making connections.

I think that is the reason why under the Experience tab you can choose either work experience or volunteer but the position is what is key, for example:

You can write under position, a subheading of work experience/volunteer and write clinical extern, clinical trainee, observer etc. which mean you still did something relevant to the field of medicine, something to give your experience. Which to me seems like work experience than volunteer. An example of volunteer would be like volunteering at your homeless shelter or a local nursing home. I personally dont think its as simple as making money is work and not making money is volunteer. But than again anyone else is input would be helpful.

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