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Idea! Get in Prelim to fulfill the 1 Yr USCE requirement of many programs!

Hi everyone

many of excellent internal medicine programs require at least one year US clinical experience (like Vanderbilt program). Can I apply to a preliminary year in IM then apply to categorical IM next year to a good program.
Does this work?
Have anyone did that before?

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How sure are u to match in the good program after 1 year?
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What are your scores.
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I am asking to see if that applicable

because many programs require at least one year hands on clinical experience in the US
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I am asking to see if that applicable

because many programs require at least one year hands on clinical experience in the US
To say many programs is over rating.
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Yes. You can do that.

Your prelim year would make you bypass the filter of (one-year requirement). However those programs that put such requirements are actually NOT IMG friendly and they'll still filter you out for other reasons such as visa or for just being an IMG. In fact the main reason they put that requirement of one year USCE is actually to filter out IMGs! So ultimately it's not a super brilliant idea.

The other point is. I don't think that getting into prelim year is easier than getting into a good University categorical PGY1 spot. So in that case what's the point of wasting one year, apply straight to the good PGY1 spot.

Hope I made sense.

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Actually, you will waste 2 years, not just one. Let's say you matched in a prelim year (non-designed prelim is actually easier than categ at good univ program), then you would start that prelim year in July. You, will apply again, after just TWO MONTHS, to programs that need 1 year experience, however, you just have 2 months under your belt, so will be filtered out again!

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Its very hard.

-First, for IM prelim year, you are competing with the smartest american graduates who are seeking opthalmo, derma, ...etc. basically those american graduates have very high scores and they are rushing for the prelim positions. your chancs are low as an IMG.
-Second, once you are match in a categorical program, you can not leave it, unless you have uncontrolled condition, this is part of the contract.

My advice, forget about such programs as they are few, they do not exceed 10 programs.

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Are Transitional year n Prelims same? Sorry if iam being stupid...
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Are Transitional year n Prelims same? Sorry if iam being stupid...

While they have the same purpose (fulling a PGY1 for applicants who matched to PGY2 programs) they are different in their setup.

TY: Its almost as if you are doing a second fourth year of medical schools. You rotate through many different specialities, changing specialities once a month so basically this month medicine, next month EM, next month FM, etc, You also get to participate in a ton of electives.

Prelim: Concentrates on the speciality of IM or Surgery. You fulfill the same requirements of PGY1 categorical residents. So basically all your rotations will be the same as someone who matched in IM/Surgery cat programs.

TY are much more competitive then Prelims because they are known to be more "relaxed" then the other two, hence most AMG would love that over 80 hours a week (who wouldn't?).
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Actually, you will waste 2 years, not just one. Let's say you matched in a prelim year (non-designed prelim is actually easier than categ at good univ program), then you would start that prelim year in July. You, will apply again, after just TWO MONTHS, to programs that need 1 year experience, however, you just have 2 months under your belt, so will be filtered out again!

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No not necessarily. It would still be considered a year USCE for many programs. Your allowed to write future confirmed rotations, especially seeing as how they are within a residency program. Like fourth year medical students include their upcoming rotations.

OP: Decided to add a warning: Its very difficult to move on after a Prelim year. Also you have messed with your years of funding. Most programs "DO NOT" take their Prelim year residents and place them into their categorical programs. Also most categoricals don't want prelims from other programs. Every year you will see several Prelims looking to switch specialities and take whatever they can get after their program. Its a really a double edge sword. So do more research before you go that route.

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Its very hard.

-First, for IM prelim year, you are competing with the smartest american graduates who are seeking opthalmo, derma, ...etc. basically those american graduates have very high scores and they are rushing for the prelim positions. your chancs are low as an IMG.
-Second, once you are match in a categorical program, you can not leave it, unless you have uncontrolled condition, this is part of the contract.

My advice, forget about such programs as they are few, they do not exceed 10 programs.

Good Luck
Last time I checked on Freida, there were about 167 prelim IM programs.
So I think chances of getting into one should be relatively good as long as you apply broadly. The competitiveness should be somewhere around what it is for categorical IM programs.

But I am not so sure about the prospects after prelim IM.
Those who already have an advanced match obviously have no worries. But I am sure there must be many who look for a PGY-2 categorical IM position, or a different specialty altogether after prelim IM.
Would be great if we had more comments about the likely prospects after prelim IM...?
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Idea!

Would like to revive this topic.

Is it a good idea to this? Move from prelim to categorical IM?

Is it extremely difficult to get a PGY2 position? Any opinions on this?

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I would apply to both prelim and cat programs. If you get a prelim position and work your ass off and network with the right people I see no reason for anyone not to match in at least a cat PGY-1 position after a full year, if not PGY-2.

Nothing about the match is easy. I think prelim gets you in the door. The rest depends on your work ethic and how you get along with other people.


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Would like to revive this topic.

Is it a good idea to this? Move from prelim to categorical IM?

Is it extremely difficult to get a PGY2 position? Any opinions on this?
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Thank you.
The thing I haven't seen before is that almost immediately I need to go to MATCH again. (July-September).
or how does it work?
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I'm in this position and applied to transitional year, prelim and categorical medicine and an advanced specialty as well. My concern was that if I only matched into IM prelim I would have to reapply for my advanced specialty or find a PGY2 IM spot. I think this varies on the program, but one IM prelim program I interviewed at is known to offer pgy 2 spots for their prelims. Most transitional year curriculum don't meet the requirements for you to move on as pgy2 in IM though. So I don't think IM prelim is an ok option.
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I've also been advised that TY and IM prelims are more competitive than most categorical medicine b/c you are competing with derm/ophtho/ent/rad/anesth applicants. Surgery prelim is a totally different story but surgery programs are much more reluctant to keep you on as a pgy2.
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