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Hello Doctors:

is there anyone knows anyone with failed cs and got IV this match season?? of course not a US citizen or GC holder??
I got 230's in both steps 1 and 2 and CS 2nd applied to 130 prog. according to match a resident list, applied on 19th September, didn't get any single IV....now I'm really confused and depressed, don't know what to do, I asked before about step 3 or research and StepTaker answered my question as the research is better for University and step3 better for community programs.... Should I take step 3 or doing research?? (I cant do both) or should I go for PhD programs in US then apply for residency?? is it an advantage or not??? plz any expert can help me??
My wife got 248 in step 2 if she got the same score in step 1 and CS 1st attempt without USCE ((unlike me I have 3 months USCE)) and apply next year as a couple match (me in IM and she in Pediatrics) will this increase my chance???
I'm totally confused I don't want to study and travel again to US for this exam and at the end gain nothing.....and about step 3 should I only pass to increase my chance or got high score is a must to be competitive???????
I need honest and expert answer plz (step taker or sabio I need your advice)
Thanks all and sorry for this long post.......
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Just to answer some of your questions, I know a couple of people with failed step cs and none of them got interviews this season... sorry, I know somebody with failed step cs 3 years ago he matched in pediatrics WITH good score in step 3. This is all the info i have regarding to your questions, I hope you get some IVs and match, still time...good luck!!
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I know some with same scores and attempts on CS and have 4-5 IVs(this season). They have other good things in CV. Good luck and dont get discouraged.
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May I ask like what other good things on CV?

My husband is in the same boat and I am also worried
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I know some with same scores and attempts on CS and have 4-5 IVs(this season). They have other good things in CV. Good luck and dont get discouraged.
Like what other few good things please???
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@med 2011
I don't think 1 attempt is as bad as we make it sound especially for someone like you with good scores.
Programs look at your application in its totality like your PS, YOG, what have you been doing since graduation, USCE & where they were obtained, +/- visa status, research, step 3 etc.
If you miss this season, I will advise you work on your PS, get step 3 and good usce.
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Ok MD-2011, there a few flags in your application:

- By your name, you graduated in 2011 that makes you an old graduated
- You need a visa
- you have an attempt in the CS.


Now the biggest question is what programs have you applied too? IM, FM, PEDS, surgery, psych. The only 2 specialties i have seen IMGs match in is PEDs and PSYCH with CS failure and even that is rare. Now i dont want to lie to you but it will be very hard for you. You should take your step 3 regardless and get it over with... it will only improve your app. From the way you described the sequence of your steps, I will assume you are from south asia, i have never seen a caribbean grad take step 2 first and step1 after. I am seeing a lot of graduate from south asia who are taking their time taking the steps. AS AN IMG, time is NOT on your side. The older the graduate the less likely for you to match. YOUR CLOCK starts the day you graduate and not the day you take your first step. Only thing that supersedes a CS attempt is contacts and good networking.

FOR COUPLES match next yr...be very cautious.... If your wife is a recent grad, she needs to get her steps done asap and apply. I think its better if you 2 apply solo then couples. There is a better chance for her to match. Better to one of you in the system than neither. If she matches and you dont, you will still have the option to do research in the hospital where she is, also make good contacts.

Anyway this is all my opinion and not to offend you.
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Ok MD-2011, there a few flags in your application:

- By your name, you graduated in 2011 that makes you an old graduated
- You need a visa
- you have an attempt in the CS.


Now the biggest question is what programs have you applied too? IM, FM, PEDS, surgery, psych. The only 2 specialties i have seen IMGs match in is PEDs and PSYCH with CS failure and even that is rare. Now i dont want to lie to you but it will be very hard for you. You should take your step 3 regardless and get it over with... it will only improve your app. From the way you described the sequence of your steps, I will assume you are from south asia, i have never seen a caribbean grad take step 2 first and step1 after. I am seeing a lot of graduate from south asia who are taking their time taking the steps. AS AN IMG, time is NOT on your side. The older the graduate the less likely for you to match. YOUR CLOCK starts the day you graduate and not the day you take your first step. Only thing that supersedes a CS attempt is contacts and good networking.

FOR COUPLES match next yr...be very cautious.... If your wife is a recent grad, she needs to get her steps done asap and apply. I think its better if you 2 apply solo then couples. There is a better chance for her to match. Better to one of you in the system than neither. If she matches and you dont, you will still have the option to do research in the hospital where she is, also make good contacts.

Anyway this is all my opinion and not to offend you.
@ air1.... since when did 2011 graduates considered old? That puts those in my shoe with 2008 as grand old grads!
@md 2011....old YOG is 2008 and above. I called many programs that I expected an IV from to realize this.
I scored less than yoir step 1 score but no attempts plus I am GC holder. Applied late to 120 programs but got 5 IVs: 3IM,1 FM & 1 Anesthesiology. As I said, improve your app. If unfortunately you don't match this year.
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@blade: I dont mean to offend anyone... He is 2011 which is 2yrs and approaching 3yrs mark. My statement is based on the individual program websites I browsed when I was making my list of program. A few of them said they dont consider apps above 3yrs but most said 5yrs. Realistically speaking last yrs match ratio was 62% AMGs, this is increasing every year and the number of IMGs is increasing. SO IMG match ratio is shrinking now I dont know where old grads fall into that category but i am it effects us all.

Now if you were to talk about IV between GC and non-GC, there is a massive difference between the 2. I know a couple people who has failed all steps once (except CS) and still has more interviews than people who are way better applicants. When I say better applicants i mean same school, has research publications, better scores 10+ points, not a single gap. So there is no comparison.

Trust me I am all about giving people hope and MD-2011, there is still a chance cause lots of programs are still evaluating the apps. I have known people from last yr that only had one interview and matched, also people who got interviews all the way up to jan 21st. I am not saying you are not going to match, god forbid... I hope all of us do, I want you to see all the angles and make decisions accordingly.

I apologize to you and blade dont mean to offend. In my experience people never paint an honest picture, everyone paints a mona lisa...
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@blade: I dont mean to offend anyone... He is 2011 which is 2yrs and approaching 3yrs mark. My statement is based on the individual program websites I browsed when I was making my list of program. A few of them said they dont consider apps above 3yrs but most said 5yrs. Realistically speaking last yrs match ratio was 62% AMGs, this is increasing every year and the number of IMGs is increasing. SO IMG match ratio is shrinking now I dont know where old grads fall into that category but i am it effects us all.

Now if you were to talk about IV between GC and non-GC, there is a massive difference between the 2. I know a couple people who has failed all steps once (except CS) and still has more interviews than people who are way better applicants. When I say better applicants i mean same school, has research publications, better scores 10+ points, not a single gap. So there is no comparison.

Trust me I am all about giving people hope and MD-2011, there is still a chance cause lots of programs are still evaluating the apps. I have known people from last yr that only had one interview and matched, also people who got interviews all the way up to jan 21st. I am not saying you are not going to match, god forbid... I hope all of us do, I want you to see all the angles and make decisions accordingly.

I apologize to you and blade dont mean to offend. In my experience people never paint an honest picture, everyone paints a mona lisa...
Thanks for reply, yes I'm 2011 gradate, then did an internship (a must) to 2012 and worked as medical house officer in many hospital, now I'm a teaching assistant in medical school, I did all my steps in one year from August 2012 till August 2013.....applied to IM only most are community, so Ill try to do better with step 3 improve my app. , but still have a question is it good idead to do PhD in clinical research? does it help??
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Md-2011: you have an excellent resume, most people usually sit around and dont keep working in the field, so that is a huge positive. Dont give up home there is still a chance to get a few interviews.

Regarding a PHD in clinical research, it really depends on which way you want your medicine to go. If you want to go towards clinical research you might want to consider getting a few certifications for clinical research instead CCRA or CRC. Because you are an MD already, a PHD in clinical research wont do much for you cause you will still need to get those certifications to do clinical research in north america. I think having a PHD in physiology or path would be more useful for you as an MD.

Another route you may consider is a MSC in public health, that could lead you into management of hospitals.

I dont know much about any of this best to ask people in clinical research in North America.
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I just want your opinion/view since you are quite honest. My husband he is a 2007 graduate and he also completed his internship year and worked as a medical officer in medicine in his home country.

When he came here to the states- he is a GC holder, he has had observerships in private clinics and now has an upcoming observership in a hospital and we are planning to apply to many other hospital based observerships to plan this upcoming year.

His scores are 221/208/ and has an attempt on CS.

He is targetting FM or psychiatry and his observerships are in both.

Til date no IV and I know its because he is not ECFMG certified yet/YOG/and an attempt.

But I have seen people even match with these credentials it is just a matter of hardwork and staying determined

What are his chances next year if now after his CS he takes the step 3?
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2009 asian img, 215,210,cs- all 1st, GC, 4 USlors. Applied 130 FM . No ivs. Things are not same as was couple years back. There are more and more applicants and with better credentials/fresh grads. I don't know if I will apply next year. Be hopeful but also consider other options. I don't know how competitive is psy? every specialty must be very competitive these-days.
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I just want your opinion/view since you are quite honest. My husband he is a 2007 graduate and he also completed his internship year and worked as a medical officer in medicine in his home country.

When he came here to the states- he is a GC holder, he has had observerships in private clinics and now has an upcoming observership in a hospital and we are planning to apply to many other hospital based observerships to plan this upcoming year.

His scores are 221/208/ and has an attempt on CS.

He is targetting FM or psychiatry and his observerships are in both.

Til date no IV and I know its because he is not ECFMG certified yet/YOG/and an attempt.

But I have seen people even match with these credentials it is just a matter of hardwork and staying determined

What are his chances next year if now after his CS he takes the step 3?
Summer I really dont know the chances... but the fact that he has no ecfmg certification and an attempt is a negative. But good part is he has GC. His best bet is the programs in the state you guys are resident off.... If he is going to do observerships makesure you ONLY do it in places with a residency program, otherwise you are wasting your money.... I know FM is very competitive this year and a lot of people are not getting interviews in it. I have no idea about psych or peds... but those ones people keep saying are much more flexible.

Like ugk83 said, every residency is competitive... and the fact that he is an old graduate... there are people with much better credentials coming into the system every 4 months....

SO:

1) Observership only in hospitals with residency program.
2) apply in state where you are a resident (specific to FM)
3) Networking
4) Step 3
5) Apply opening day
6) ECFMG

He needs to get all of these done before next sept.. otherwise there is no significant change in his app and you will be wasting your money...
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Thanks all for reply,
Now I got the chance to do a research here in my country and most probably will published in a good indexed journal, if I have to choose between step 3 and research what should I choose and which is better?

one more thing plz I need expert opinion is it true that all these process is a scam to drain money from IMG's, I have read something like these info. on many website, so is it true??? I mean is the residency now limited to high 240's and GC holders only and anyone with any attempt will never match???
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@ air1.... since when did 2011 graduates considered old? That puts those in my shoe with 2008 as grand old grads!
@md 2011....old YOG is 2008 and above. I called many programs that I expected an IV from to realize this.
I scored less than yoir step 1 score but no attempts plus I am GC holder. Applied late to 120 programs but got 5 IVs: 3IM,1 FM & 1 Anesthesiology. As I said, improve your app. If unfortunately you don't match this year.
Hello,
I just want to know how late did you apply..
I applied in November 1st week. 2011 Grad. with 239 step 1, 221 Step 2CK and CS passed no attempts.. 3 M of USCE.
so far stuck with 1 IV only. still wondering whts happening..
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thanks all for reply,
now i got the chance to do a research here in my country and most probably will published in a good indexed journal, if i have to choose between step 3 and research what should i choose and which is better?

One more thing plz i need expert opinion is it true that all these process is a scam to drain money from img's, i have read something like these info. On many website, so is it true??? I mean is the residency now limited to high 240's and gc holders only and anyone with any attempt will never match???
Just because it is on the internet doesn't mean its true... Its tougher every year for IMGs to match. Last year it was down to 38% this year is going to be even less. Now the main question is how many of the 38% is visa sponsor and how many USIMGs (GC/Citizen). Times are changing very fast, its good to have back up plans...

Your choice of research vs step 3 depends on the program you are applying too. For FM i know PDs dont care if you have step 3. Most FM residents do well. If you are going for anyother specialty, it might make a difference.

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