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Default Years Since Graduation. How is it calculated and how important is it?

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I finished my MBBS in India in 2008. I later did a MD in India (Equivalent to residency) and graduated from MD program in 2013. I later developed interest towards a medical career in US. I want to start preparting for the step exams and
now comes the real doubt. I reasearched a bit and learnt that years since graduation would be a concern. Will my year of graduation be taken as 2008 (my undergrad degree completion date) or 2013 (my post graduatuion completion date)? If it is counted as 2008 does the fact that I graduated in 2008 stand against me even if I acheive good scores and apply in 2015. Will the program directors consider that I again went and did a MD (residency) after my basic undergrad degree and that I have been in school again till 2013? I believe I can study hard and achieve a good score which of course is possible through hard work but the doubt about "years since graduation" is bothering me a bit. Can anyone who have been in a similar kind of situation help me by answering my question? Btw..My visa status is US permanent resident. I would appreciate it so much.

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I believe somebody from India would be better to help you, but in general the years of graduation is before start residency, and if it is 2008 is considered old, however there is still opportunities, I graduated 2007 and have below average scores, and still got 5 IV, all in universities, but depends also in the specialty you are looking for, and your years of residency counts as experience which is also appreciated for some programs, but others just count experience in USA... still I think you have a chance if you get good scores, specially like we are seen 250+, 260+, that is number 1 factor to get IV regardless of years of graduation, for my experience.
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Thanks for the response. Looking forward to advice rom few more guys who have gone through this kind of stuff.
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Best of luck CKG .
I am graduate of Jun 2012 so if i apply for sep2015 match then it is counted as
Gap of 3yr or 4??
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It is very important, most programs have a limit of 3 to 5 years. It is calculated from when you finished your med school, until the day you start US residency. Some specialities like FM, are a little more open to more. YOG. Residency it tainning, are more appreciated in community hospitals than in U hospitals, the years that you spent in residency add up to you YOG.



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Hi there, I work in the field of Graduate Medical Education. I have seen people in a similar situation. However, from my understanding, the post-grad residencies in India are usually one year long, correct? Anyways, IF the case is that they count your YOG as 2008, then you are at a disadvantage those with USMLE scores above 240 are considered, but as a FMG (foreign medical graduate), they will be much more skeptical of your Interpersonal skills and training (unfortunately this is the harsh truth). If that 5 year residency is in the subspecialty you want to practice in, then it could be to your advantage. I hope all this information helps you!
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your year of graduation would be 2008..that means if you apply this year for 2015 match considering you take all your steps by september 2014 , it would be 6 years since date of graduation..
now, my understanding of the US healthcare system is that 2-3 years do not matter but many programs have a cutoff of 5 years since graduation.
Nonetheless, if you are applying to Internal Medicine and your M.D is also in medicine that will be an advantage. Many programs consider taking a few interns with residency experience even if its from India. But honestly if your MD is not in medicine and you are thinking of doing IM here , they wont be much interested in your residency experience..
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What about a one year gap after graduation from a Carribean medical school?
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I am 2007 grad and did my psych residency in India and graduated in 2013. Worked as psychiatrist in India till 2016. Took my steps in between. Build my cv from home country itself and gained 3 months of USCE. You will have to research for programs for cut offs. Many psych programs had a 10 yr cut off. But I still managed 6 ivs and match in my first attempt without contacts. Your post grad MD will have an advantage especially if you get an iv. Different programs have different selection methods. What have you done in your field especially is important. Your body of work will have to show the passion to the field since you have done an MD, thats were the advantage lies. And in the end depends how well you have done on your iv day also. Score high to get thru score cut offs
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Your body of work will have to show the passion to the field since you have done an MD, thats were the advantage lies. And in the end depends how well you have done on your iv day also. Score high to get thru score cut offs
Thanks for the words. I also graduated in 2008. I completed Medicine/GI training in my home countries. I am planning for a match this season. (YOG will be 10).

My question is, when a program stated YOG < 5 yr, is there a chance that they are also looking for applicants with YOG > 5 yr?
If there's a chance, I might be able to impressed the program by some research or some prior experience I have.
If not a chance, I will be wasting money for this.

Any thoughts on this?

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This is a tough question. I had been adviced by a friend of mine who had also been an old grad to research programs and to apply widely but not indiscriminately. Have a look into previous residents and if possible , their profiles. If it's IMG friendly, givw it a shot. +5 yr grad is kind of an alarm. You can only pray the PD reads your cv and picks you.So it's a hit or miss. I applied to nearly 120 programs but in hindsight I felt I could have narrowed it to 100 ( eg: there aren't much psych programs in Illinois and most of them are not IMG friendly whereas there are more IM programs in IL of which many are IMG friendly like Cook county. I applied to IL state hoping the state as such was IM friendly even after my research of programa told me otherwise). In the end, I did not match into my number 1 or number 2 choice. But I matched to a place that asked to interview with them in a really short notice. I was kind of the only foreigner in the group of candidates and I believe I am the only visa requiring candidate in the currently matched group of residents.It might not be a flashy town but I loved the work environment. But in the end, I wonder what would have happened if I hadn't interviewed here.

My advice is you have chose to give it a big risk to come dowm this path. Research programs and don't be miserly in applying program. Like they say in poker- " All in".
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My advice is you have chose to give it a big risk to come dowm this path. Research programs and don't be miserly in applying program. Like they say in poker- " All in".
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