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hi everyone.
I have a 234 in step 1 and 218 in step 2: cs passed on first attempt. one month observership, one US lor, 7 publications.
I'm worried due abt my low step 2 score. last year I got only two interviews and that too by talking to program coordinators. I was also a bit late in applying so ended up getting wait listed at a couple of programs that never called me in the end. my interviews had gone pretty smooth so I don't know whatvwent wrong. I understand that my step 2 score is way below average but does anyone know of people who needed a visa and matched with a score like that? should I apply to FM as a back up? please do not respond with sarcastic comments. I'm already under stress. thanks
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I'm applying in pediatrics btw. and both research and USCE are in peds.
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You havent mentioned the year of graduation.
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You have time from now till next Feb (yes - even while you are giving interviews you should be getting experience). The way you use this time will determine your potential to match. If you can gain more quality experience to show you did not give up and continued working hard to achieve your goal, you will match for sure. I know and met several people during interview trail who were in your shoes last year and they all matched because they worked hard during this time to improve their application. Good luck
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Thank you so much DrSaid . That was very encouraging.

I will in Shaa Allah use this time wisely and stay persistent . What did the people you know do during this time to make their application stronger?
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Thank you so much DrSaid . That was very encouraging.

I will in Shaa Allah use this time wisely and stay persistent . What did the people you know do during this time to make their application stronger?
Research>Sub-internships>Observerships/Externships
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Thank you
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Research>Sub-internships>Observerships/Externships
I don't really agree with this part. I think USCE is as important, or more important than research. Sure, if you already have 4 months USCE, research would be more beneficial at that stage. Also, observerships aren't comparable to full externships. Many PDs will ignore an observership because you're forbidden from having clinical duties, whereas externships let you take patients.
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I don't really agree with this part. I think USCE is as important, or more important than research. Sure, if you already have 4 months USCE, research would be more beneficial at that stage. Also, observerships aren't comparable to full externships. Many PDs will ignore an


observership because you're forbidden from having clinical duties, whereas


externships let you take patients.
thanks for your input NAC . I've graduated so unfortunately, I can not do formal electives any more. I only have a month of USCE so planning to do one more observership in Shaa Allah before applying this year.
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also, i forgot to mention n my first post that I'm applying for pediatrics IA
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I don't really agree with this part. I think USCE is as important, or more important than research. Sure, if you already have 4 months USCE, research would be more beneficial at that stage. Also, observerships aren't comparable to full externships. Many PDs will ignore an observership because you're forbidden from having clinical duties, whereas externships let you take patients.

But where can you find externships now days? They are almost non-existent now. Once you have completed medical school, the chances of finding valuable clinical experience are greatly reduced. If you can find a hospital that offers externships (where malpractice coverage is a requirement) - let me know as well. I had the physician I worked with in PC and shadowed in hospital write an LOR stating that it was an externship, but no one cared for it in my interviews (11). All of them, asked in detail about my research work. I think research is more important because you are volunteering to advance medicine and learning in an academic environment, as opposed to doing an externship at a PC with someones uncle or cousin. This is just my own opinion though.
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But where can you find externships now days? They are almost non-existent now. Once you have completed medical school, the chances of finding valuable clinical experience are greatly reduced. If you can find a hospital that offers externships (where malpractice coverage is a requirement) - let me know as well. I had the physician I worked with in PC and shadowed in hospital write an LOR stating that it was an externship, but no one cared for it in my interviews (11). All of them, asked in detail about my research work. I think research is more important because you are volunteering to advance medicine and learning in an academic environment, as opposed to doing an externship at a PC with someones uncle or cousin. This is just my own opinion though.
Whether it's easy to find externships or not shouldn't matter when comparing which one is better. I had research and USCE on my applications and was only asked about research at one (of sixteen) interviews. Every one of those programs had USCE as either essential or desirable on their website.
Anyway, who knows. It's just another confusing application dilemma that will hopefully become irrelevant after the OP matches.
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But where can you find externships now days? They are almost non-existent now. Once you have completed medical school, the chances of finding valuable clinical experience are greatly reduced. If you can find a hospital that offers externships (where

malpractice coverage is a requirement) - let me know as well. I had the physician I worked with in PC and shadowed in hospital write an LOR stating that it was an externship, but no one cared for it in my interviews (11). All of them, asked in detail about my research work. I think research is more important because you are volunteering to advance medicine and learning in an academic environment, as opposed to doing an externship at a PC with someones uncle or cousin. This
is just my own opinion though.
drsaid did u do research in US or elsewhere? my CV is full of research achievments but I still couldn't get more than two interviews .
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Whether it's easy to find externships or not shouldn't matter when comparing which one is better. I had research and USCE on my applications and was only asked about research at one (of sixteen)


interviews. Every one of those programs

had USCE as either essential or
desirable on their website.
Anyway, who knows. It's just another confusion application dilema that will hopefully become irrelevant after the OP matches.
I love the last line of ur post . I hope so too that it becomes irrelevant after I match in Shaa Allah )).
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I love the last line of ur post . I hope so too that it becomes irrelevant after I match in Shaa Allah )).
I did research at University of Toronto in Canada. I also had research and publications from home-country where I did my MBBS, but nobody asked me about that. They only asked about the research I did at University of Toronto. Research alone won't help you get interviews, but it will help you stand out better in the competition during interviews. You can do research in US or Canada, but anywhere else and I doubt anyone will be interested. Like I mentioned before, everyone asked me about my research in Toronto, but only 1 person asked about the research I did in Pakistan. Good luck.
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