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Hello everyone, I'd like to offer some advice to all of the IMG/FMG physicians looking to match in the US. I have extensive knowledge in this subject and personally know many many residency directors at major university hospitals such as Yale University / Medical Group, University of Connecticut Health Center, select hospitals in Florida, etc. I also used to recruit AMG/FMG/IMGs for major organizations so I know what they're looking for and how the system works.

Unfortunately as an IMG/FMG, you are at a major disadvantage competing with US grads. Most residencies have 7-10 positions, and over 3500 applicants through ERAS. I can help you navigate the matching process, your personal statements, resumes, etc., to give you the best chance at matching in a residency. It may not be the residency you want, but when you're playing with a deck of cards stacked against you, you have to take what you can get.

Remember this: ERAS is nothing more than a formality - students "match" well before ERAS applications begin.

The US matching system is much more about who you know, not what you know.

I wish you all the best. Contact me with any questions you may have and I'll do my best to answer them.

If you are wondering, I am doing this because I believe in good Karma - many people have helped me along the way, and it's my turn to help others back.

Unfortunately, I will not be able to give out my name or position due to the sensitive nature of what I do and the organization I work for; take my advice for what it is worth - it may help you.

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Just so that IMGs with no connections don't get discouraged, thousands of people match every year with no connections. I had no connections this year and got interviews. Nobody at my top 5 programs cared who I knew, just about what was in my application. I matched at a strong university program where nobody at my school had matched before. Many people in my year had loads of connections and were very confident of matching, but didn't. It's a confusing process. The only thing you can do is work hard and be realistic in your goals.
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NAC, judging by your Step scores, there's a reason why you matched. Most IMG/FMG don't have the scores you do and need to build relationships to even get noticed/considered. I'm very happy for you with scores in the 250+ range, that you matched to an IM residency. As a IMG, those are the scores you need to even be considered for an interview, which probably explains why you got one.

Most IMG don't score as high as you do and they will need all the help they can get. The harsh reality is most PDs prefer AMGs over FMG/IMGs. There's a reason why only about ~48% of IMG/FMG match and ~98% AMG match.

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Just so that IMGs with no connections don't get discouraged, thousands of people match every year with no connections. I had no connections this year and got interviews. Nobody at my top 5 programs cared who I knew, just about what was in my application. I matched at a strong university program where nobody at my school had matched before. Many people in my year had loads of connections and were very confident of matching, but didn't. It's a confusing process. The only thing you can do is work hard and be realistic in your goals.
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I would like to go ahead and second NAC Attack. I had borderline step scores, but worked hard to improve my cv. I had 10 IV calls; 3 interview calls through connections, but did not match at those programs. Instead, I matched at my second choice - where I did not know anyone. I know many others who have worked hard and succeeded in getting residency. This year the no. of matched IMGs beat every other year. That alone dispels the notion that IMGs are at a disadvantage, they are at a greater advantage now than ever before. While I hope your intentions are true. I also hope users here are also wary of being led astray with ideas that would make them leave hard work and opt for short cuts by getting to know right people.

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Just so that IMGs with no connections don't get discouraged, thousands of people match every year with no connections. I had no connections this year and got interviews. Nobody at my top 5 programs cared who I knew, just about what was in my application. I matched at a strong university program where nobody at my school had matched before. Many people in my year had loads of connections and were very confident of matching, but didn't. It's a confusing process. The only thing you can do is work hard and be realistic in your goals.
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I have to disagree with you drsaid. IMGs are at a disadvantage - ask any of these folks on here that can't match to any program, let alone one of their choice, when AMGs are matching across the board.

Your comment that IMGs have matched at a higher rate this year than previous means absolutely nothing. They are still at a disadvantage - I know many PDs from various universities and hospital systems, as well as their staff. I have almost two decades of experience and the bottom line is yes, if you work real hard and score 250+ on Step 1, 2, 3 and pass CS, then you have a good shot of matching to "something." In fact, I know a PD in Florida that will not even look at an ERAS application for a FMG/IMG that doesn't score 250 or higher on Step 1 and 2, on their FIRST ATTEMPT.

Unfortunately, a lot of IMGs don't score that well and they are left to alternative ways to get noticed. That's where I can help.

If they don't want my help/advice, so be it. But don't sugar coat reality and give false hope when they will waste their money on many ERAS applications that will not get them anywhere.

On average, a simple FM residency program gets over 3500 ERAS applications. At least half of the slots are already "penciled in" to known AMGs that were recommended, the rest are sorted by Step scores, number of attempts, LORs, personal statement, US Citizens, and those that already have medical licenses.

Reality stinks but there are ways to do things that will give you an advantage, which I'm sure many people on this forum would be happy to do to land a residency. If anyone disagrees with me, I'm all ears.

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IMGs will always be at a disadvantage as compared to AMGs because there is just too large a number of applicants. Not all can match!
So there is going to be more competition. Scores, clerkships, graduation, Lors are the criteria to stratify them. Contacts work too but how much of use would that be if your overall application and scores are subpar. I am sure every PD or interviewer has to justify their rank order list. This system would not have worked so well till now if most of the stress was based on contacts. Granted contacts would help, but only if you at least have a comparable profile. We can't compare this with the AMGs as the basis of MOST ( might not be all) their recommendations are based on a longer experience, a couple of years, as compared to IMGs who do few months of clerkships. Granted, contacts are useful but you need to do the most of the work towards your exams. They can't compensate for other criteias on your application.
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Contacts may land you an interview. But they don't necessarily have the power or authority to influence ranking.

While it's true that candidates with "contacts" may have an edge, it can't possibly be generalized or be considered norm.

I am sure you have noble intentions, but please don't fool prospective applicants into thinking that "contacts" can overcome an otherwise poor profile. There is no substitute to hard work. Period.
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I think everyone here is missing the point - yes, you need hard work and good scores but when you don't have those competitive scores, you need all the help you can get and sometimes with the right relationships, you'll land an interview that otherwise you would have never had received.

As an IMG, with average or below average scores, you won't even get a call. As an IMG with average or below average scores, knowing some of the staff, gets you in the door and if you can nail the interview, you have a good chance you otherwise would have never received.
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I think everyone here is missing the point - yes, you need hard work and good scores but when you don't have those competitive scores, you need all the help you can get and sometimes with the right relationships, you'll land an interview that otherwise you would have never had received.

As an IMG, with average or below average scores, you won't even get a call. As an IMG with average or below average scores, knowing some of the staff, gets you in the door and if you can nail the interview, you have a good chance you otherwise would have never received.
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"The US matching system is much more about who you know, not what you know."

With statements such as those, I think you're the one missing the "point" here. Not only does that statement spread the wrong notion about the match process and undermine it's sanctity, it also gives candidates a false sense of hope that they will be able to overcome their deficiencies by knowing or getting to know the "right" people.

Contacts built for the sake of scoring an interview aren't truly contacts. If a candidate has worked with an attending in the past, or if the whose-who in the program is recommending a close family member/friend/colleague to the PD, that's what I'd call a credible contact. Otherwise, the so-called contacts maybe able to get you an interview, but most programs have a ranking committee that meets and discusses each applicant. I highly doubt somebody with multiple failures and low scores will be ranked just because of their contacts. Yes, I'm sure it happens on occasion, but by no means is that the norm.

Truth is that the match is becoming incredibly tough and IMGs/FMGs have a bias against them, sometimes regardless of their scores. Is that fair? No. But those are the rules we have to play by.

I would recommend everyone strive to get a score as high as possible and if you falter at some stage, try and overcome your failure by things other applicants have done in the past - observerships/research etc. Don't expect "contacts" to bail you out.
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Idea!

Once again, you matched to an IM program - good for you. But for those on here who did not score well, had multiple failures and cannot get into volunteer programs to pad their resume, what else are they to do?

Who is advocating for them? Who is giving them advice that goes beyond the norm to give them an advantage they once did not have - I am - plain and simple. What do they have to lose? All of the other advice on this forum has not worked for them such as (all of the "true-isms" of "work hard", "score well", do a "observership").

You have nothing to worry about - you're in. Everyone else is sweating bullets trying to figure out their life and how to get into the system. Each day that passes, its harder and harder for them to get in. I know this, they know this.

I'm giving these hard working docs an alternate path to help them land an interview. I'm offering them decades of experience that has worked in the past and now. Cultivating relationships, techniques to become a "known entity", advice on personal statements, interview techniques, etc.

Everyone on here is very intelligent - if someone does not like my advice or thinks I'm full of crap, they won't listen and will blow me off. But for those that take some nuggets of knowledge and apply them to their own unique situation, one day they may match because of it.

I am, and always have been a divergent thinker. When everyone is going left, I go right. I've never followed the crowd and it has been very successful for me throughout my life and career. Separating yourself from the white noise of the wolf pack is necessary when you are at a disadvantage.

Steve Jobs said it best - "Think Different"

And that's what I offer. Sometimes you can't see the forest through the trees, because its right in front of you.
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IronRock, sorry for not reading the previous posts. Do you charge anything for your services?
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Guys i dunno what's with the criticism here..I asked for some advice and he/she did give some useful information..He's right, not every IMG has great scores..At times, its not always about scores..You need something else to stand out or get noticed..I know that's what i need at this point..He's just telling people how to get noticed..He's not telling anyone that scores are not important.
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good scores alone, and usce , may not land every single person (img ) the interview. so in certain circumstances you need the foot in the door to atleast land and interview.
so its better to appreciate help from him/her atleast f it does not involve money.
granted there are no shortcuts and also since the no of positions for imgs are going to decrease every1 is going to try and develop those contacts.
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No, I do not charge for my advice - not a lawyer.
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Yes I am sure the PD will say - "Candidate X was recommended to me via a public forum where thousands other applicants post. This must be a meaningful and genuine recommendation, let's call him/her for an interview".

Till before the match process, I too tried frantically to search for a glimmer of hope on public forums where an applicant with a profile similar to mine had matched. So I can relate to the anxiety and feeling of uncertainty.

After successfully going to the process, I can safely say that interviews scored on your own merit are far more meaningful and come with a much higher probability of being ranked than ones offered as favors.

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Yes I am sure the PD will say - "Candidate X was recommended to me via a public forum where thousands other applicants post. This must be a meaningful and genuine recommendation, let's call him/her for an interview".

Till before the match process, I too tried frantically to search for a glimmer of hope on public forums where an applicant with a profile similar to mine had matched. So I can relate to the anxiety and feeling of uncertainty.

After successfully going to the process, I can safely say that interviews scored on your own merit are far more meaningful and come with a much higher probability of being ranked than ones offered as favors.

All the best to everyone!
Yeah, yeah..we all know you matched on your own merit..But, everyone's profile is different..This guy is not saying he's going to recommend anyone..He just tells people how to get noticed..What's your problem with his guy? He's not scamming anyone by saying he will get them interviews or stopping people from going the traditional way..Hear him out before jumping into any conclusions.
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thanks can i contact u personally. thanks.
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EXACTLY! I'm not charging anyone, and I'm not using my network to recommend people to PD's I know.

I'm teaching people how to give themselves an advantage - some are not as lucky as others and they have to make their own luck.

Give a man a fish, and he will eat for a day. Teach a man how to fish, and he will eat for a lifetime.

All throughout my life, people have given me advice - some better than others, BUT as I mature, I realize that the all the advice I've received is up to me on how I use it.

I'm a true believer in helping others - for all the naysayers on this forum, one day, you too may need my advice. And maybe one day, you'll realize that you have a lot to learn and the world we live in is more complicated and devious than you believe it to be.



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Yeah, yeah..we all know you matched on your own merit..But, everyone's profile is different..This guy is not saying he's going to recommend anyone..He just tells people how to get noticed..What's your problem with his guy? He's not scamming anyone by saying he will get them interviews or stopping people from going the traditional way..Hear him out before jumping into any conclusions.
Give yourself more credit than that, you have a Doctoral degree. I have confidence you can figure out "how to get noticed".

Or better yet, do your own research (Google may be a good place to start).
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Give yourself more credit than that, you have a Doctoral degree. I have confidence you can figure out "how to get noticed".

Or better yet, do your own research (Google may be a good place to start).
Easy for you to say that now..I'm sure when you were applying, you were equally nervous and looking for some good advice...Now, you'd be lying if you said no to that...and yes, i have a doctoral degree and I'm smart, but I'm not arrogant..I listen to what people have to say and use my judgement to do what's best for me..No one's going to follow someone blindly without using their "doctoral degree brain".
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Easy for you to say that now..I'm sure when you were applying, you were equally nervous and looking for some good advice...Now, you'd be lying if you said no to that...and yes, i have a doctoral degree and I'm smart, but I'm not arrogant..I listen to what people have to say and use my judgement to do what's best for me..No one's going to follow someone blindly without using their "doctoral degree brain".
Glad to hear that. Using your own judgement will take your farther than with following someone blindly.

I actually admitted to feeling anxious and uncertain while going through the process, so not sure what you are trying to insinuate.

Regardless, the match has been and always will be a lot more about what you know and what you have to offer than who you know.
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Glad to hear that. Using your own judgement will take your farther than with following someone blindly.

I actually admitted to feeling anxious and uncertain while going through the process, so not sure what you are trying to insinuate.

Regardless, the match has been and always will be a lot more about what you know and what you have to offer than who you know.
I mean, when you are anxious, you try to find as much information as you can..Its up to the individual how to use the information they get..But, there's nothing wrong with looking for some help..Don't get me wrong..I know it must have taken tremendous hard work to get into residency for you and i really think its great and totally respect you for that...But, i think this guy wants to help people, let him help..Trust me, he's not asking for money or giving any short cuts to success.
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I mean, when you are anxious, you try to find as much information as you can..Its up to the individual how to use the information they get..But, there's nothing wrong with looking for some help..Don't get me wrong..I know it must have taken tremendous hard work to get into residency for you and i really think its great and totally respect you for that...But, i think this guy wants to help people, let him help..Trust me, he's not asking for money or giving any short cuts to success.
Thank you, above all, what it took was to realize that there are thousands of others like you out there and while the IMG community largely focuses on "credentials", that's not what all programs are looking for. There is no magical formula for what will work for which program. Secondly, in the rare instances, contacts do manage to get you an interview, it's not the same as being ranked.

I fundamentally disagree with the notion that the Match is more about who you know rather than what you know. This takes credit away from those who made it without knowing anyone "in the system" or built these so-called credible contacts by doing months of research or audition electives.

Lastly, I am all ears to hear constructive suggestions to help strengthen one's CV (I bet all posters would love to read that).
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Doc13586: let me enlighten you.

If you have ever worked for an intelligence agency, you'd know that Google cannot teach you how to build relationships and influence others without actually overtly asking them for assistance. This skill set is but of one tool in a toolbox of many different asset delivery vehicles.

You are partially correct in your statement that the match is about "what you know and what you have to offer." I believe that sentiment has been advertised many times on this forum and for those that have matched, it is a true statement they can agree with. My question to you is this:

How will that statement help a struggling IMG that is desperate for any advantage in getting their foot in the door? Most of the IMGs I know have families, are hard working and are trying to make a difference in a system that has stacked the deck of cards against them. Your comment may be factually correct, but how is it relevant to achieving one's mission of getting past the white noise of 3500+ applications for 7 positions? It's simply another "truism" that does nothing to affect actual change (politicians say a lot of things similar to avoid accountability).

I will be very clear as to what I can and cannot offer everyone on this forum that has NOT matched, wants to match, and is willing to try something different (and possibly learn something new in the process making them a more cunning individual in the game of life).

Can offer:

1. non-standard influencing techniques and strategies to become a known and accepted entity within an organization.
2. advice on how to assess people in power to find a common ground that resonates with them.
3. a comprehensive review of each IMGs background and what problems they're running into to identify the possible root cause of their inability to match.
4. a objective assessment of their current situation and possible barriers to entry that they cannot see themselves.
5. reviews of individual's personal statements and LORs (some LORs may actually hurt them in their application)
6. interview advice (I've seen and participated in a lot of them, in many different countries)
7. a sounding board if anything, at best.

Will not offer:

1. personal phone calls, emails, faxes, smoke signals, flag waiving, mirror flashing, etc. endorsing anyone to any PD or main player in a teaching hospital system.
2. guarantees of any kind that someone will match (or achieve their personal goals) with the advice that I give them.
3. my personal information or background.

All the best to everyone on here - and remember, where there is a will, there is a way. Trying different things will take extra effort, but it may pay off in the long run after you've exhausted all "standard" methods of execution.
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You're still not getting it Doc13586:

The IMGs I'm trying to help did not make it on their own credentials and they don't have many other avenues left to move down. I'm not saying their credentials are not good, what I'm saying is their credientials were simply not "good enough" to compete with AMGs and other IMGs that have scored 250+ on their Step exams, on their first attempt, with no break in time from graduation to matching.

So you can continue to preach how you have to make it on your own credentials, but for those that have passed the Step exams with low to mediocire scores, they can't take those exams again. What they have is what they have.

So I ask you again - how does your advice help those that are locked in to lower scores, English language challenges, and multiple Step attempts with no interviews on the horizon? Would you like them to just lay by the side and become PAs/Nurses or simply get out of the game? Or do you want to constructively help them achieve their goals to become compassionate physicians in a country that is giving them opportunities they otherwise may not have ever had?

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Thank you, above all, what it took was to realize that there are thousands of others like you out there and while the IMG community largely focuses on "credentials", that's not what all programs are looking for. There is no magical formula for what will work for which program. Secondly, in the rare instances, contacts do manage to get you an interview, it's not the same as being ranked.

I fundamentally disagree with the notion that the Match is more about who you know rather than what you know. This takes credit away from those who made it without knowing anyone "in the system" or built these so-called credible contacts by doing months of research or audition electives.

Lastly, I am all ears to hear constructive suggestions to help strengthen one's CV (I bet all posters would love to read that).
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Since this is an open forum, and what you say influences people. Those of us who post here regularly want to keep the environment honest and trustworthy. I am somewhat sceptical of your intentions. You want to offer an antidote to an age old problem through improving interpersonal skills and becoming somewhat of a life coach. What are your credentials anyway? Send us a link to your CV and some references (preferably PDs from Yale etc who you boast about). Lets run a check on you first to see. I think anyone who seeks your help on such a personal level should be very careful as to the information they share with you.


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Doc13586: let me enlighten you.

If you have ever worked for an intelligence agency, you'd know that Google cannot teach you how to build relationships and influence others without actually overtly asking them for assistance. This skill set is but of one tool in a toolbox of many different asset delivery vehicles.

You are partially correct in your statement that the match is about "what you know and what you have to offer." I believe that sentiment has been advertised many times on this forum and for those that have matched, it is a true statement they can agree with. My question to you is this:

How will that statement help a struggling IMG that is desperate for any advantage in getting their foot in the door? Most of the IMGs I know have families, are hard working and are trying to make a difference in a system that has stacked the deck of cards against them. Your comment may be factually correct, but how is it relevant to achieving one's mission of getting past the white noise of 3500+ applications for 7 positions? It's simply another "truism" that does nothing to affect actual change (politicians say a lot of things similar to avoid accountability).

I will be very clear as to what I can and cannot offer everyone on this forum that has NOT matched, wants to match, and is willing to try something different (and possibly learn something new in the process making them a more cunning individual in the game of life).

Can offer:

1. non-standard influencing techniques and strategies to become a known and accepted entity within an organization.
2. advice on how to assess people in power to find a common ground that resonates with them.
3. a comprehensive review of each IMGs background and what problems they're running into to identify the possible root cause of their inability to match.
4. a objective assessment of their current situation and possible barriers to entry that they cannot see themselves.
5. reviews of individual's personal statements and LORs (some LORs may actually hurt them in their application)
6. interview advice (I've seen and participated in a lot of them, in many different countries)
7. a sounding board if anything, at best.

Will not offer:

1. personal phone calls, emails, faxes, smoke signals, flag waiving, mirror flashing, etc. endorsing anyone to any PD or main player in a teaching hospital system.
2. guarantees of any kind that someone will match (or achieve their personal goals) with the advice that I give them.
3. my personal information or background.

All the best to everyone on here - and remember, where there is a will, there is a way. Trying different things will take extra effort, but it may pay off in the long run after you've exhausted all "standard" methods of execution.
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So I ask you again - how does your advice help those that are locked in to lower scores, English language challenges, and multiple Step attempts with no interviews on the horizon? Would you like them to just lay by the side and become PAs/Nurses or simply get out of the game? Or do you want to constructively help them achieve their goals to become compassionate physicians in a country that is giving them opportunities they otherwise may not have ever had?
First, set realistic goals. Second, take ownership of what went wrong and put your thinking hats on.

- Sit and make a list of hospitals you'd like to target.
- Try and pick hospitals which are close to where you physically live or near your hometown. Location matters.
- Pick hospitals which have had a history of taking IMGs or visa requiring IMGs (this may be difficult to establish as hospitals don't list nationality)
- Try and get in touch with graduates from your own school who are now in the US pursuing residency. Seek their advice.
- Personally call and if possible, even visit hospitals which you'd like to train at and introduce yourself. Ask for any volunteering/observership opportunities that maybe available.
- Look for mentors who are doing clinical/bench research at big universities and send them emails. Once you prove your metal to these mentors, they might be able to offer you help. These are what I call "Credible Contacts".
- If you haven't already taken Step 3, do that and knock it out of the park.
- Perform extensive research on forums for threads with titles such as "Finally made it", "Those with multiple attempts", "Old grad, low scores, finally matched" and see what worked for these applicants. Try and get in touch with them.
- Work on your PS and once again, seek expert help with this. Make your family and friends proof read it 15 times. And then another 10 times. Highlight your positives while stating how you bounced back from adversities and are a top notch candidate.
- Make yourself presentable, if that means getting a neat and clean haircut, facial grooming, teeth whitening...whatever. Do it. Looks make for a good first impression. This is a country where if you have confidence, it needs to show in your personality.

Above all, have faith in yourself and be a realist, not a foolish optimist. You have invested a LOT of time, effort and money in yourself for so many years and now it's time to give programs a reason to invest in you.

Lastly, if you've been trying your hand at the match for multiple years (4-5 years) and have been unsuccessful, there is no harm in seeking an alternate career in healthcare. If helping people is what matters to you the most (and not financial gains) the title should not matter. Whether MD, NP or PA - In this country, the ultimate goal of a healthcare facility is to take care of patients. It has been and always will be a team based approach. If you genuinely want to contribute, you can.
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First, set realistic goals. Second, take ownership of what went wrong and put your thinking hats on.

- Sit and make a list of hospitals you'd like to target.
- Try and pick hospitals which are close to where you physically live or near your hometown. Location matters.
- Pick hospitals which have had a history of taking IMGs or visa requiring IMGs (this may be difficult to establish as hospitals don't list nationality)
- Try and get in touch with graduates from your own school who are now in the US pursuing residency. Seek their advice.
- Personally call and if possible, even visit hospitals which you'd like to train at and introduce yourself. Ask for any volunteering/observership opportunities that maybe available.
- Look for mentors who are doing clinical/bench research at big universities and send them emails. Once you prove your metal to these mentors, they might be able to offer you help. These are what I call "Credible Contacts".
- If you haven't already taken Step 3, do that and knock it out of the park.
- Perform extensive research on forums for threads with titles such as "Finally made it", "Those with multiple attempts", "Old grad, low scores, finally matched" and see what worked for these applicants. Try and get in touch with them.
- Work on your PS and once again, seek expert help with this. Make your family and friends proof read it 15 times. And then another 10 times. Highlight your positives while stating how you bounced back from adversities and are a top notch candidate.
- Make yourself presentable, if that means getting a neat and clean haircut, facial grooming, teeth whitening...whatever. Do it. Looks make for a good first impression. This is a country where if you have confidence, it needs to show in your personality.

Above all, have faith in yourself and be a realist, not a foolish optimist. You have invested a LOT of time, effort and money in yourself for so many years and now it's time to give programs a reason to invest in you.

Lastly, if you've been trying your hand at the match for multiple years (4-5 years) and have been unsuccessful, there is no harm in seeking an alternate career in healthcare. If helping people is what matters to you the most (and not financial gains) the title should not matter. Whether MD, NP or PA - In this country, the ultimate goal of a healthcare facility is to take care of patients. It has been and always will be a team based approach. If you genuinely want to contribute, you can.
That's some good advice..Like i said, applicants need advice from other people all the time..Of course, I'm not going to do everything that you've said here..But I will do whatever i can..Thanks for the pointers..I'm sure a lot people appreciate the help.
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Lol. Have we really become so overly paranoid and distrusting of anything on the internet that we're really shooting down someone who offers free help? Honestly. Either ask him/her for advice in a private message or move on. There's no reason for all this malarkey.
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Dear Sir,
India is big on connections... enough to make one sick for 2 lifetimes in a row.
for a person like me, with zilch connects... the only reason I look towards the US is as the Athens of the 21st century.
(The inanity of suggesting connections is sickening.)
I loved your post for a simple reason: Somebody, somewhere had the gumption to point out that sheer rigor of method , hard work counts , that a person may practice his best "manner" for years but the insincerity and maybe the know-all smugness leads to many a downfall.
throughout in my peer group i have seen a tendency to think of the process like a game, a fantasy which has to be ..well somehow to be bested...
I liked this post for the sheer directness of its approach , its clarity.
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Hey IronRock, you have to empty your inbox. I cant send you a private message, it says your inbox is full.

I do need any help i can get for this coming match season and I do appreciate all help given.
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I am a newbie at this whole process of IMG applications...

I just have the basic sense that it's important from the candidate to have clinical experience in the US. My question is this: I will be doing an observership in Miami during 5 months. Apart from that, I am thinking about taking a 1 month clerkship at Chicago, offered here at chicagoclerkships.com...

Do you think that those activities will count in favor for matching?

Thanks.
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hi,
thanks for ur help. I am an img from india and would be applying for match this year.i will graduate next month from medical school.i have passed my step 2 cs(first attempt) and have done 2 months of clinical electives at cornell medical college with 3 good LORs.It was all going pretty good till last week when i got my step 1 score(230),was expecting at least above 240.Now i m in a lot of confusion as to should i continue with usmle or not.I want apply for IM and have my step 2 ck in the nd of july.pls help me with it.
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Hello everyone, I'd like to offer some advice to all of the IMG/FMG physicians looking to match in the US. I have extensive knowledge in this subject and personally know many many residency directors at major university hospitals such as Yale University / Medical Group, University of Connecticut Health Center, select hospitals in Florida, etc. I also used to recruit AMG/FMG/IMGs for major organizations so I know what they're looking for and how the system works.

Unfortunately as an IMG/FMG, you are at a major disadvantage competing with US grads. Most residencies have 7-10 positions, and over 3500 applicants through ERAS. I can help you navigate the matching process, your personal statements, resumes, etc., to give you the best chance at matching in a residency. It may not be the residency you want, but when you're playing with a deck of cards stacked against you, you have to take what you can get.

Remember this: ERAS is nothing more than a formality - students "match" well before ERAS applications begin.

The US matching system is much more about who you know, not what you know.

I wish you all the best. Contact me with any questions you may have and I'll do my best to answer them.

If you are wondering, I am doing this because I believe in good Karma - many people have helped me along the way, and it's my turn to help others back.

Unfortunately, I will not be able to give out my name or position due to the sensitive nature of what I do and the organization I work for; take my advice for what it is worth - it may help you.

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Im not sure if i will be able to get any Observership or Clinical experience in the US.

I have decent scores (s1: 248, ck: 264, cs: 1st attempt) but i dont have enough money to get decent USCE.

Im thinking about applying for this match, any advice?
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hELLO, iRONROCK - U need to clear ur Inbox

I heeded your advice and refused them...part of the reason was that the research coordinator blurted out that he might not be there for long and then, if he leaves, I guess I will be left hanging.

I am currently observing in Palliative medicine in Cleveland Clinic for 2 months and then will start my anesthesia fellowship in Toronto, under U of T, in July.
Will it count equivalent to USCE along with my Cleveland Clinic experience.
I have so far secured 1 lor from Clinic and the attending said that she is gonna mention that I worked as an observer and I was attentive n knew my facts.
Should I mail other program directors in IM and Anesthesia right now, in Clinic and nearby Case Western University and formally meet them and present my case for residency or should I wait for the formal process of ERAS and match. ??
I gt a call from Henry Ford prog. director that If I had secured a Internship year he would have offered me the advanced position, but due to my foolishness I applied very late and very few IM prog. and had very poor PS.
My stats are step 1 235, 2 - 238, 3 -217, cs-high performance, AMC MCQ (LIKE STEP CK)- 265 - got high score as no pressure, FRCA (fellowship of royal college of anesthesiologist) - PASS - all exams in first attempt.
2 research and case reports, 10 publications on pubmed.
I have BLS, PALS, ACLS certification all from Cleveland clinic
Kindly, show me a way or guide me how to secure either IM or Anesthesia or even Transitional year so that I can get my foot in the door and reach my goal of becoming an ICU Physician.
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Dear IRON ROCK,

I definitely need your sincere guidance, advice and help. if there is any possibility to contact/talk to you in person ? I have been going through really tough time since last 2 years. Please understand and help me in the matching process.
If u r interested in helping me , Please mail me at somivenkat@yahoo.com

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Default thanx iron rock

may god always bless u for what u are doing to help out people...i am done with my step1 and step 2ck and waiting for the result of step 2cs in august...i have had no guidance about USMLE as none of my friends have ever taken it..i did many mistakes because i did not know how to prepare for it.nevertheless,after reading your post i got prompted to write to u...can you please tell me how to prepare for step3 and also i want to get an observership but i have no clue how to apply for it...would really appreciate if you give me your valuable advice...
thanx
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Hello everyone, I'd like to offer some advice to all of the IMG/FMG physicians looking to match in the US. I have extensive knowledge in this subject and personally know many many residency directors at major university hospitals such as Yale University / Medical Group, University of Connecticut Health Center, select hospitals in Florida, etc. I also used to recruit AMG/FMG/IMGs for major organizations so I know what they're looking for and how the system works.

Unfortunately as an IMG/FMG, you are at a major disadvantage competing with US grads. Most residencies have 7-10 positions, and over 3500 applicants through ERAS. I can help you navigate the matching process, your personal statements, resumes, etc., to give you the best chance at matching in a residency. It may not be the residency you want, but when you're playing with a deck of cards stacked against you, you have to take what you can get.

Remember this: ERAS is nothing more than a formality - students "match" well before ERAS applications begin.

The US matching system is much more about who you know, not what you know.

I wish you all the best. Contact me with any questions you may have and I'll do my best to answer them.

If you are wondering, I am doing this because I believe in good Karma - many people have helped me along the way, and it's my turn to help others back.

Unfortunately, I will not be able to give out my name or position due to the sensitive nature of what I do and the organization I work for; take my advice for what it is worth - it may help you.

IronRock
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Hello everyone, I'd like to offer some advice to all of the IMG/FMG physicians looking to match in the US. I have extensive knowledge in this subject and personally know many many residency directors at major university hospitals such as Yale University / Medical Group, University of Connecticut Health Center, select hospitals in Florida, etc. I also used to recruit AMG/FMG/IMGs for major organizations so I know what they're looking for and how the system works.

Unfortunately as an IMG/FMG, you are at a major disadvantage competing with US grads. Most residencies have 7-10 positions, and over 3500 applicants through ERAS. I can help you navigate the matching process, your personal statements, resumes, etc., to give you the best chance at matching in a residency. It may not be the residency you want, but when you're playing with a deck of cards stacked against you, you have to take what you can get.

Remember this: ERAS is nothing more than a formality - students "match" well before ERAS applications begin.

The US matching system is much more about who you know, not what you know.

I wish you all the best. Contact me with any questions you may have and I'll do my best to answer them.

If you are wondering, I am doing this because I believe in good Karma - many people have helped me along the way, and it's my turn to help others back.

Unfortunately, I will not be able to give out my name or position due to the sensitive nature of what I do and the organization I work for; take my advice for what it is worth - it may help you.

IronRock


I might need your help in the future. In advance I am sorry for all the questions I am going to be asking you through personal messages. I know it takes time to reply, and as doctors we hardly get time to sleep.

Simply put I will be really grateful for your help!
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My question is what would it take to get into a top tier University based hospital for Internal Medicine?

I am an IMG with high board scores +250s. USCE +2years. 3 LORs from a from a Nephrologist, Hematologist, and Internal Medicine from New York (Not well known individuals but great LORs). No publications, no research. I will be doing a Gastroenterology elective at University of Illinois this December. I would love to match there but unfortunately was scheduled for an elective in December. Is it possible to be given an interview even if my elective is scheduled in December?
What about other hospitals that are considered top tier? Do I have to email them and ask them to look into my application because I am interested? What would it take to get an interview at a top tier hospital?
Do knowing residents at a hospital play a role into helping me land an interview?

I really would prefer to do residency in a University based Hospital.
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Hello everyone, I'd like to offer some advice to all of the IMG/FMG physicians looking to match in the US. I have extensive knowledge in this subject and personally know many many residency directors at major university hospitals such as Yale University / Medical Group, University of Connecticut Health Center, select hospitals in Florida, etc. I also used to recruit AMG/FMG/IMGs for major organizations so I know what they're looking for and how the system works.

Unfortunately as an IMG/FMG, you are at a major disadvantage competing with US grads. Most residencies have 7-10 positions, and over 3500 applicants through ERAS. I can help you navigate the matching process, your personal statements, resumes, etc., to give you the best chance at matching in a residency. It may not be the residency you want, but when you're playing with a deck of cards stacked against you, you have to take what you can get.

Remember this: ERAS is nothing more than a formality - students "match" well before ERAS applications begin.

The US matching system is much more about who you know, not what you know.

I wish you all the best. Contact me with any questions you may have and I'll do my best to answer them.

If you are wondering, I am doing this because I believe in good Karma - many people have helped me along the way, and it's my turn to help others back.

Unfortunately, I will not be able to give out my name or position due to the sensitive nature of what I do and the organization I work for; take my advice for what it is worth - it may help you.

IronRock
Hello IronRock
I would like to ask about my case:
IMG, Step 1 score 210 (first attempt), Step 2 Ck 205 (first attempt, I do not understand what happened, my NBME score was 240, I was expecting something similar), Step 2 CS (I'll take it in 4 days, I hope to pass on the first attempt), I have 2 US doctors LORS , and I'm beginning research at University of Miami in July. Do You think I should stop seeking an INTERNAL MEDICINE residency in U.S.? Do you think I have any chance? Thank you very much.
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