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friends, i can feel the helplessness,despair, agony n pain deep inside you after getting visa refusal.....aaaaaaaaaah.
i took my ck on dec 8 and then i started working on visa issue, let me tell u that i waited for step 1 and step 2 results before applying for visa. i met lot many ppl, discussed many issues, memorized section 214(b).after consulting many fellows,visa experts,and my ''visa holding lucky'' friends i extracted following important points to get visa.


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>u must have taken both step 1 n step 2 before applying.
>u must b employed.
>u must have legal papers(affidavit n legal surity bonds) showing that u will return after c.s other wise u will b legally liable.
>u must have proper itinerary showing that u will only visit c.s exam center n no other visits inside u.s
>u must not mention about ur relatives in u.s( even if u have any relatives there.And if u mention thats like a suicide in islamabad embassy).
>u must have strong bank statement of ur sponsors.
>ur future plans shud b ''cooked'' in such a way that shows u will obvoiusly cm back to ur homeland after c.s
>ur personal job's pay slips, showing that u r really getting pay here in pakistan n cant stay away for a long time.
>properly signed ''leave application'' from ur job officer, institution head(M.S).
>all the documentations regarding c.s
> hotel booking in u.s showing ur temporary stay.







FRIENDS , I PREPARED ALL THE ABOVE MENTIONED POINTS IN THE BEST POSSIBLE WAYS... n then after 1 n half month of hectic work i appeared before u.s embassy on 11 jan...the v.o was in normal mood, saw all my documents. n asked following questions.
.why r u going to u.s.?
.why r u taking usmle?
what is ur future plan?
..how ecfmg certifcation will help u?
..who will sponsor u?
..where r u working?
...what r duties of pediatric house physician
(as i mentioned peads house physician as my job).


..why u preffered doing h.job in peadiatrics even after 12 months h.job in other fields( i clarified him that i c my future in peads, thts why i m doing additional h.job in this field to get some better awarenwess before joining residency in peads)
..why u preffered atlanta for c.s?
. he looked at all my documents while i was talking.
...while looking at my med.school result cards n degree he said what about any other job offers from hospitals in pakistan, show me sm documentation of any job offers if u have ...i showed him FCPS-1 letter from CPSP , showing that i can join any tertiary care hospital in pakistan as i have this letter showing that i have passed part 1 of fellowship exam n now m eligible for further job in pakistani hospitals.

it took 20+ mins in this interview, n then all of sudden he said ''''UNFORTUNATELY U CD NOT QUALIFY FOR SECTION 214-B STANDARDS(most absurd section i have ever heard) thank u, take back ur documents.. i told him that ''i have all the legal documents , etc showing that i will cm back obviously''......by that time it was all over ......[IMG]file:///C:/Users/Faran/AppData/Local/Temp/msohtmlclip1/01/clip_image005.gif[/IMG].

my conclusion.....''its all luck , jst try ur best n leave it to ALLAH''

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i am in a similar boat i qualify all those criteria like i am graduate done with step1 and ck employed but my biggest prob is my sister is settled over there she is married and settled .now what can i do in that. my visa got rejected yesterday. i have reapplied. what u gonna do man
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its really difficult to hide first degree relatives in u.s. like mother, sister.
this time i have changed my job, previously i was h.officer, now i have joined a tertiary care hospital as postgraduate registrar..its smwhat more stronger n more ''pulling-back-to-homeland'' job.
u must look back at ur circumstances , n improve or modify them (not deny previous info).
e.g more secure job, taking ur engagement evidences or nikkah nama(if possible, documents of property which u own .some ppl take documents of their family business n show their share in it(explaining the v.o that ur absence will effect that business ..etc)..

finally...its all experimentation ryt now, as islamabad u.s embassy is quite stubborn in issuing c.s visas
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its really difficult to hide first degree relatives in u.s. like mother, sister.
this time i have changed my job, previously i was h.officer, now i have joined a tertiary care hospital as postgraduate registrar..its smwhat more stronger n more ''pulling-back-to-homeland'' job.
u must look back at ur circumstances , n improve or modify them (not deny previous info).
e.g more secure job, taking ur engagement evidences or nikkah nama(if possible, documents of property which u own .some ppl take documents of their family business n show their share in it(explaining the v.o that ur absence will effect that business ..etc)..

finally...its all experimentation ryt now, as islamabad u.s embassy is quite stubborn in issuing c.s visas
while filling ds 160 form in the section where they ask us point of contact in us there previously i mentioned my sister name and add now i am thinking of mentioning ecfmg contact info and making my trip purely business what do u think
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yes , u can write that..i did the same, n this time i will do the same, even though my maternal uncle is living in u.s from last 10 yrs.but i will not mention....
during interview , if v.o ask about ur first degree relatives in u.s, then u must not deny ur previous info, instead u can say that ur visit is purely for exam purpose .moreover , U CAN shorten ur visit to 3 weeks only.
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yes , u can write that..i did the same, n this time i will do the same, even though my maternal uncle is living in u.s from last 10 yrs.but i will not mention....
during interview , if v.o ask about ur first degree relatives in u.s, then u must not deny ur previous info, instead u can say that ur visit is purely for exam purpose .moreover , U CAN shorten ur visit to 3 weeks only.
if vo asks me in ur previous application u have mentioned ur sister as point of contact this time u mention ecfmg why dint u mention ecfmg previously in ur application?then what am i supposed to reply?
secondly in the section have u ever been refused us visa they have a colum stating explain there what is to be written?
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as u have already mentioned about ur sister in u.s , this time it is difficult to hide this thing from v.o. As they already know that u have a contact in u.s..
changing or hiding such info can go against smtimes. .in that case best possible option is to mention in ur specific travel plans ''that u will visit only the c.s exam center'' ...the reason is , when u tell about ur contact in u.s , u must have complete info about that person i.e their job,income sources, their visa status, their travel history etc(n that thing is difficult to explain for u smtimes )
.FOR US CONTACT in DS160.. my advice is that u must contact sm visa consultants as well . i have met a visa consultant agency n they say that they can help in filling the visa applications after previous refusals./

regarding reason of refusal...its simple...REJECTED ON THE BASIS OF WEAK SOCIAL TIES IN HOME COUNTRY(SECTION 214-B)
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as u have already mentioned about ur sister in u.s , this time it is difficult to hide this thing from v.o. As they already know that u have a contact in u.s..
changing or hiding such info can go against smtimes. .in that case best possible option is to mention in ur specific travel plans ''that u will visit only the c.s exam center'' ...the reason is , when u tell about ur contact in u.s , u must have complete info about that person i.e their job,income sources, their visa status, their travel history etc(n that thing is difficult to explain for u smtimes )
.FOR US CONTACT in DS160.. my advice is that u must contact sm visa consultants as well . i have met a visa consultant agency n they say that they can help in filling the visa applications after previous refusals./

regarding reason of refusal...its simple...REJECTED ON THE BASIS OF WEAK SOCIAL TIES IN HOME COUNTRY(SECTION 214-B)
check your inbox please and can u tell me where you applied......got the ans isb embassy..you guys have any info abt khi embassy...
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as u have already mentioned about ur sister in u.s , this time it is difficult to hide this thing from v.o. As they already know that u have a contact in u.s..
changing or hiding such info can go against smtimes. .in that case best possible option is to mention in ur specific travel plans ''that u will visit only the c.s exam center'' ...the reason is , when u tell about ur contact in u.s , u must have complete info about that person i.e their job,income sources, their visa status, their travel history etc(n that thing is difficult to explain for u smtimes )
.FOR US CONTACT in DS160.. my advice is that u must contact sm visa consultants as well . i have met a visa consultant agency n they say that they can help in filling the visa applications after previous refusals./

regarding reason of refusal...its simple...REJECTED ON THE BASIS OF WEAK SOCIAL TIES IN HOME COUNTRY(SECTION 214-B)
see there are two columns one where am I going to stay there I gonna mention my sister address but contact thinking of Ecfmg thgeir add abd number
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see there are two columns one where am I going to stay there I gonna mention my sister address but contact thinking of Ecfmg thgeir add abd number
see in ds 160 there are a few columns
1. US point of contact - previously i mentioned my sis name and add now thinking of mentioning ecfmg and their add
2. relative in US - previously mentioned my sister i guess this wont change
3. where am i going to stay - i guess this too would remain the same ie my sis address
4. places i gonna visit - last time i mentioned Philly / mckinney / dallas this time i guess its gonna be houston / mckinney
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as u have already mentioned about ur sister in u.s , this time it is difficult to hide this thing from v.o. As they already know that u have a contact in u.s..
changing or hiding such info can go against smtimes. .in that case best possible option is to mention in ur specific travel plans ''that u will visit only the c.s exam center'' ...the reason is , when u tell about ur contact in u.s , u must have complete info about that person i.e their job,income sources, their visa status, their travel history etc(n that thing is difficult to explain for u smtimes )
.FOR US CONTACT in DS160.. my advice is that u must contact sm visa consultants as well . i have met a visa consultant agency n they say that they can help in filling the visa applications after previous refusals./

regarding reason of refusal...its simple...REJECTED ON THE BASIS OF WEAK SOCIAL TIES IN HOME COUNTRY(SECTION 214-B)

Where is this visa consultant agency that you know of? (which city)..If is Islamabad,can you pls give us the contact details as well.That willl be much appreciated.
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Where is this visa consultant agency that you know of? (which city)..If is Islamabad,can you pls give us the contact details as well.That willl be much appreciated.
buddy i am from mumbai india got rejected at mumbai consulate
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1. US point of contact - previously u mentioned ur sis name and add now thinking of mentioning ecfmg and their add...that is optimum n best possible (but again, sum visa consultant will guide u much better on this, as u have already told about ur sis...had u previously not told about ur sis, the case would b simple...JUST TO MENTION ECFMG in that case)
2. relative in US -u previously mentioned ur sister, i guess this wont change
3. where am i going to stay - while applying for visit visa (b1,b2),it is simple to search on google for sm hotel in area close to c.s center , get online room availability/reservation in that hotel printed(that is easily available...like extended stay hotels in u.s).such reservations can b cancelled easily if u dnt get visa...purpose of all this thing is that u r gonna cm back after c.s n all ur plan is just to take exam..be staright forward......but u have ur sister's place in the c.s center city in that case if u mention sm private hotel as ur stay point then v.o can go into unnecessary details like why will u not stay at ur sis place..etc..SO LET IT REMAIN SAME
4. places i gonna visit - last time U mentioned Philly / mckinney / dallas this time i guess its gonna be houston / mckinney...WELL THAT DZNT MATTER ....

they rejected ur visa on weak social ties,,, not on defective travel plan....so try to improve that part of ur application...SOCIAL TIES...increasing ur ''pull back factors '' will increase chances of ur visa....be confident next time....
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Where is this visa consultant agency that you know of? (which city)..If is Islamabad,can you pls give us the contact details as well.That willl be much appreciated.
well m from lahore...so i met sm visa consultants here
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1. US point of contact - previously u mentioned ur sis name and add now thinking of mentioning ecfmg and their add...that is optimum n best possible (but again, sum visa consultant will guide u much better on this, as u have already told about ur sis...had u previously not told about ur sis, the case would b simple...JUST TO MENTION ECFMG in that case)
2. relative in US -u previously mentioned ur sister, i guess this wont change
3. where am i going to stay - while applying for visit visa (b1,b2),it is simple to search on google for sm hotel in area close to c.s center , get online room availability/reservation in that hotel printed(that is easily available...like extended stay hotels in u.s).such reservations can b cancelled easily if u dnt get visa...purpose of all this thing is that u r gonna cm back after c.s n all ur plan is just to take exam..be staright forward......but u have ur sister's place in the c.s center city in that case if u mention sm private hotel as ur stay point then v.o can go into unnecessary details like why will u not stay at ur sis place..etc..SO LET IT REMAIN SAME
4. places i gonna visit - last time U mentioned Philly / mckinney / dallas this time i guess its gonna be houston / mckinney...WELL THAT DZNT MATTER ....

they rejected ur visa on weak social ties,,, not on defective travel plan....so try to improve that part of ur application...SOCIAL TIES...increasing ur ''pull back factors '' will increase chances of ur visa....be confident next time....
1. see if they ask me why i have changed my us point of contact i think the reply should be (i shall consult this with experts) that earlier i was planning to stay with my sister for a longer time but now i gotta cut short my trip and get back to india immediately after exam since i have a job over here and got permission for just a month which is inclusive of preparation and giving the exam. and i am bonded to my country for one year service to govt of maharashtra for which i need to get back and shall produce the certificate stating the same.
thereby making my trip purely business
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now thats a better way of explaining the change in ur plans......that statement shows ur ties back in home country...

they overview our application a day or two,before our interview..to sm extent they hv already decided about our social ties, even before our interview
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now thats a better way of explaining the change in ur plans......that statement shows ur ties back in home country...

they overview our application a day or two,before our interview..to sm extent they hv already decided about our social ties, even before our interview
i know man and they expect us to be confident and not to be nervous. tell how is that possible? what was ur case?
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well , my case was like most of other doctors, i applied for visa after step 1 n ck. thats why i was confident that i had never been rejected for visa, n i had already passed all usmle exams possible in pakistan , more over i had legal affidavits with me proving my plans of returning back...
it was nice suuny morning, n i was excited as well . interview started in the ideal way . that black man started with greetings,praised my dressing, ( was trying to relax me ). then asked formal questions like why r u going , ? what is ECFMG? how it may help u ? ur future plans?current job? then he asked about any permanent job offer/job letter bcoz i wat house officer at that time n he told me that he knows health system in pakistan n one can leave h.job at any time without any problem....he asked about sm other strong ''pull back '' factors , i told him that my parents r doctor n we have our future here, we are making a hospital here n i have plans to cm back n work in here...etc etc.... but he was not convinced n asked me to cm next time with sm more reasonably strong pull back factors n changed circumstances.............
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well , my case was like most of other doctors, i applied for visa after step 1 n ck. thats why i was confident that i had never been rejected for visa, n i had already passed all usmle exams possible in pakistan , more over i had legal affidavits with me proving my plans of returning back...
it was nice suuny morning, n i was excited as well . interview started in the ideal way . that black man started with greetings,praised my dressing, ( was trying to relax me ). then asked formal questions like why r u going , ? what is ECFMG? how it may help u ? ur future plans?current job? then he asked about any permanent job offer/job letter bcoz i wat house officer at that time n he told me that he knows health system in pakistan n one can leave h.job at any time without any problem....he asked about sm other strong ''pull back '' factors , i told him that my parents r doctor n we have our future here, we are making a hospital here n i have plans to cm back n work in here...etc etc.... but he was not convinced n asked me to cm next time with sm more reasonably strong pull back factors n changed circumstances.............
Hmmm then what happened second time did circumstances change
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that was my first attempt on 11 jan........... now i'll apply for second time in first week of march..... m working on this ''section 214-b monstor''...lets c...

i have started fellowship training here , that is considered a better pull back factor as u have a supervisor during ur fellowship training. n u cant stay away from homeland once u entered a training program..i will ask visa officer that i only want ecfmg certification ryt now, as i have to collaborate with international medical universities on different research programs during my fellowship training. and ecfmg certification is requirement of some international research programs being carried out in U.S.A...

..thats an abstract. i will refine it before my interview......

what do u say about this plan?
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anyone one knows any visa consultant at islamabad
i had been refused thrice in my final year for electives
i was told my vo then on third attempt that cos my bros already settled and working there meant i had stronger ties in US than in pakistan and only thing which could change my status was if i could take step 1 and ck in an year and apply with both results in hand
though its 2 yrs now and im done with both step 1 and ck with normal scores but time factor has increased and now my parents also are GC holder. so i want to meet in person any visa consultant here and would like to take his experties....Any help in this regard will be highly appreciated....
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hey bama try ur luck by saying u have to go only for cs and not for any work. just say that u will be back in fifteen days once u r done with the exam. u have to give cs bcuz u need to get ecfmg certificate. this certificate will help u fetch a residency in usa. so that when u start ur own practice in ur home country u will be a much successful doctor. this advise was given to me by my visa counselor in mumbai, india. if any doubts contact me doc0520@gmail.com
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If i have been refused a visa before (but no stamp on passport, and no paper given) shall i mention the refusal in the application form in the refusal question part????
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yes.. u must mention it
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