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Some elective forms ask for this question

"Is this student approved to take this elective for credit? Yes/No"

What should be the answer to this ? Is a No acceptable cause we don't really get any credit for this in school. Here in India we just do electives for USCE.

And also what about these 2 questions:

"How many weeks of Clerkships may a student take away from your location? _______weeks of ______total weeks of clerkships

How many weeks of Electives may a student take away from your location to meet graduation requirements for the MD degree _________
weeks of total ______weeks of electives required for graduation?"

Cause in India there is no REQUIREMENT of an away elective or clerkship neither is it accepted. As I said we all just take electives for some USCE.

Any help would be appreciated in this regard. Thanks a lot.
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Some elective forms ask for this question

"Is this student approved to take this elective for credit? Yes/No"

What should be the answer to this ? Is a No acceptable cause we don't really get any credit for this in school. Here in India we just do electives for USCE.

And also what about these 2 questions:

"How many weeks of Clerkships may a student take away from your location? _______weeks of ______total weeks of clerkships

How many weeks of Electives may a student take away from your location to meet graduation requirements for the MD degree _________
weeks of total ______weeks of electives required for graduation?"

Cause in India there is no REQUIREMENT of an away elective or clerkship neither is it accepted. As I said we all just take electives for some USCE.

Any help would be appreciated in this regard. Thanks a lot.
Most places do not give academic credit for an elective (not a requirement for graduation so its okay to put no). Find out if your college is willing to include details on the elective on your transcript or dean's letter. In your final MSPE you send to the programs while applying for residency, the MSPE has a section on any gap in education. Your college ideally has to include information that you participated in electives which were not a part of the medical school curiculum.

The number of electives/clerkships permitted does not really matter if they do not count towards graduation. You can probably put any number you like. (roughly the number of months you plan to do electives) and inform the co-ordinator that they are not a requirement to graduate (if asked)
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Most places do not give academic credit for an elective (not a requirement for graduation so its okay to put no). Find out if your college is willing to include details on the elective on your transcript or dean's letter. In your final MSPE you send to the programs while applying for residency, the MSPE has a section on any gap in education. Your college ideally has to include information that you participated in electives which were not a part of the medical school curiculum.

The number of electives/clerkships permitted does not really matter if they do not count towards graduation. You can probably put any number you like. (roughly the number of months you plan to do electives) and inform the co-ordinator that they are not a requirement to graduate (if asked)

What do they mean by "clerkships" and "electives"

are the clinical postings during the various professional years of college considered as "clerkships"?
And is the compulsory rotatory internship in the last year of MBBS considered as "Electives"?

And also can I put "0" in the field asking for how many clerkships can the student do away from this institution ?
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What do they mean by "clerkships" and "electives"

are the clinical postings during the various professional years of college considered as "clerkships"?
And is the compulsory rotatory internship in the last year of MBBS considered as "Electives"?

And also can I put "0" in the field asking for how many clerkships can the student do away from this institution ?
In US, 3rd year rotations in Internal Medicine, Surgery, Peds, Ob/Ggyn, Emergency Medicine are described as core clerkships (usually each lasts for 8 weeks) while you the option to chose electives in different sub-specialities (cardio, ped endocrinology, etc) in the 4 year usually each elective lasting 4 weeks. In India, there is no differentiation between core clerkships and electives in the strict sense as we attend general medicine postings (roughly equivalent to core clerkship) but usually there are no sub-speciality rotations (we do not have the choice to rotate for 4 weeks independently in renal or cardiology again as everything is a part of medicine posting here). Yes, internship rotations could be roughly compared to electives as you would be the final year before graduation but strictly speaking they are similar to postings with additional responsibilities.

You have to clarify from the place they are applying what exactly do they mean by a clerkship. Some places use the terms electives and clerkships to mean the same thing (different from core clerkships). It might not be the best idea to put zero as it might imply that you do not have the permission to take part in the elective/clerkship from your medical school.
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In US, 3rd year rotations in Internal Medicine, Surgery, Peds, Ob/Ggyn, Emergency Medicine are described as core clerkships (usually each lasts for 8 weeks) while you the option to chose electives in different sub-specialities (cardio, ped endocrinology, etc) in the 4 year usually each elective lasting 4 weeks. In India, there is no differentiation between core clerkships and electives in the strict sense as we attend general medicine postings (roughly equivalent to core clerkship) but usually there are no sub-speciality rotations (we do not have the choice to rotate for 4 weeks independently in renal or cardiology again as everything is a part of medicine posting here). Yes, internship rotations could be roughly compared to electives as you would be the final year before graduation but strictly speaking they are similar to postings with additional responsibilities.

You have to clarify from the place they are applying what exactly do they mean by a clerkship. Some places use the terms electives and clerkships to mean the same thing (different from core clerkships). It might not be the best idea to put zero as it might imply that you do not have the permission to take part in the elective/clerkship from your medical school.

Thank you so very much @dsrp.
I'm really grateful to you for answering my questions real quick. These application forms confuse you at times :/
These questions are asked by Downstate, and even CWRU's dean's letter.
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Thank you so very much @dsrp.
I'm really grateful to you for answering my questions real quick. These application forms confuse you at times :/
These questions are asked by Downstate, and even CWRU's dean's letter.
No problem. Its a long process and the paperwork is crazy to deal with but you'll get a hang of it. Good luck
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I was trying to send you a private message but m post count is just not enough yet.
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First of all thanks for clarifying my doubts.

I was about to send UMASS elective form and it says send one application for each requested elective. So does that mean
2 X Application Forms and
1 X Rest of the documents

Or

2 X Everything

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2 application forms, single copy of the rest. I applied there but was not accepted, maybe you will have a better luck.
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2 application forms, single copy of the rest. I applied there but was not accepted, maybe you will have a better luck.
Thanks. Just hope so
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You have to clarify from the place they are applying what exactly do they mean by a clerkship.
I asked them about how to go with this and they replied with the following:

"You should make sure you're reading the "visiting student" directives. If you're not understanding something that is there it may be that it's not your school's practice

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From: andygill
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2016 2:14 AM
To: Registrar's Office
Subject: Dean's Letter - Clerkships and electives

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Respected Sir/Ma'm
Sorry to disturb again.
The dean's letter for international visiting student application asks :

1) How many weeks of clerkships may a student take away from your location out of the total.
And also
2) How many weeks of Electives may a student take away from your location to meet graduation requirement for the MD Degree.

In India the clerkships and/or electives that we do away from the institute are completely voluntary and are not counted towards the total clerkships/electives required for the MD Degree.
So I would be really thankful to you if you could please guide me about what should be put/mentioned in these fields ? "

now how do I go about it :/
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I guess the only way out of this is to ask your college to give a deans letter mentioning that you are allowed to take so and so (say 3 months) of electives/clerkship. Like I said before, it can be any rough number (depending on how many electives you are willing to undertake). They just want to make sure that your medical college has given you permission to take part in the electives.
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I guess the only way out of this is to ask your college to give a deans letter mentioning that you are allowed to take so and so (say 3 months) of electives/clerkship. Like I said before, it can be any rough number (depending on how many electives you are willing to undertake). They just want to make sure that your medical college has given you permission to take part in the electives.
Okay so that completes the clerkship part but what about this one

How many weeks of Electives may a student take away from your location to meet graduation requirements for the MD degree?
____weeks of total_____ weeks of electives required for graduation
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Okay so that completes the clerkship part but what about this one

How many weeks of Electives may a student take away from your location to meet graduation requirements for the MD degree?
____weeks of total_____ weeks of electives required for graduation
you can say 3-4 months for both. it does not matter my friend. Basically you would only be using this for the electives application and nothing else. Once you graduate, you can take MSPE from your college which says your gap was due to participation of electives was not a part of medical school curriculum.
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you can say 3-4 months for both. it does not matter my friend. Basically you would only be using this for the electives application and nothing else. Once you graduate, you can take MSPE from your college which says your gap was due to participation of electives was not a part of medical school curriculum.
Can the dean's letter be completed by Dean (academics) in India if the Principal is on leave or not available?
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