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Hospital Hospital Observership may not be used as USCE!

Hi guys!

Sorry if it's going to sound like a stupid question but I'm confused and I would appreciate if you could help me in understanding a phrase I encountered in many 'terms and conditions' of observerships:

"XYZ hospital observerships must not be used as a means to obtain US-based experience for the purposes of seeking graduate training in the United States."

Does this mean we can't mention about it in our ERAS applications or they are addressing it solely to undergrad (college) students who haven't entered med school yet?
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Where did you read that? in the observership hospital rules or in the residency program website?

Is it mentioned on their website, can you send us the link?

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By changing the title of my thread I guess you have answered my question...

I have found it on the website of the hospital,for example here:

http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/pahedu/gme/policies/i-k.pdf -> Procedure -> B. Rules of observerships point no. 13.
Unfortunately that's not the only Oberveship Policy that I have found that contains that rule

So it means that even if I get in, I can't mention about it in my ERAS application, not to mention that I can't use LOR from that observership (provided I get one)?

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What they actually mean is that observership cannot be regarded as pure clinical experience.

Observership is unlike electives and externships, is technically not pure clinical experience, you don't take histories or do physical examinations.

However, that does not mean that you cannot put it up in ERAS and that does not mean that residency programs wouldn't consider it as a form of USCE.

Program directors and residency programs are fully aware of the difficulties that faces the IMG and that full blown clinical experience is not possible for graduates.

Therefore, do not despair. Do the observership and put it in your CV and put it in ERAS and many programs will be happy about it.

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Thank you Sabio!

I do understand that observership is JUST observership and many PDs will not recognize it as USCE but if that's it it's fine by me

Can you please delete this thread? I think the title and my question (silly me) could be misleading for other forum members...
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