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I have few 'days' of internship left and there has not been anybody from my college to go for an elective in US. Official administration is not comfortable with my demand to extend internship as the whole process is unknown and seems confusing to them. What to do?

* Should I visit the university/principal/who else?
* What docs to show while persuading them if this is the first time for an elective?
* With only few days of internship remaining, would it really make sense to try now as it's recommended to begin 4-5 months in advance?
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Well you shouldn't extend it then. You need your college's support plus around 6 months advance preparation to apply for electives. You might get something at harvard on short notice since they process applications together, but that's like really expensive. But if you have the money then there is nothing better than going to harvard.

The procedures and forms are available on the respective websites. Go through them and see whether you can fulfill all those requirements or not.

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buddy , If you are serious about doing USMLE , you need electives .

i understand the college doesnot know stuff and that no one has done it before but you need to meet the dean and explain him how the process is , once he's agreed your job is done just take a LOR and no objection certificate ( NOC) from him and signs on application form . the office staff has no role to play in it accept making the NOC .

you need to give toefl for most of the electives .

and extend your internship thats not a big deal , just dont take the signature on the last posting . apply for electives atleast 7 after you get accepted which you will come to know in 3 to 4 months complete your internship as soon as you think you will not need any further documents from the college

easy places are northwestern , cornell , cleveland clinic , tufts , yale , harvard , jefferson ,brown ( expensive and needs affliation ) .

good luck , matching is getting tough better make a good profile .

observerships wont count as USCE ..... this is my advice rest is your choice ..........
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buddy , If you are serious about doing USMLE , you need electives .

i understand the college doesnot know stuff and that no one has done it before but you need to meet the dean and explain him how the process is , once he's agreed your job is done just take a LOR and no objection certificate ( NOC) from him and signs on application form . the office staff has no role to play in it accept making the NOC .

you need to give toefl for most of the electives .

and extend your internship thats not a big deal , just dont take the signature on the last posting . apply for electives atleast 7 after you get accepted which you will come to know in 3 to 4 months complete your internship as soon as you think you will not need any further documents from the college

easy places are northwestern , cornell , cleveland clinic , tufts , yale , harvard , jefferson ,brown ( expensive and needs affliation ) .

good luck , matching is getting tough better make a good profile .

observerships wont count as USCE ..... this is my advice rest is your choice ..........
I have a question. When I tell the dean about electives and NOC, wont he ask me about extension and stuff? I was going through Harvard's application, they had asked for dean's signature that he is permitting to take electives, theres no mention of NOC.

i am from west bengal and people are so ignorant here that i just go crazy. I asked my student-section for transcripts and they were like transcripts what?? when i explained they said transcripts are given only after graduation!!
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I have a question. When I tell the dean about electives and NOC, wont he ask me about extension and stuff? I was going through Harvard's application, they had asked for dean's signature that he is permitting to take electives, theres no mention of NOC.

i am from west bengal and people are so ignorant here that i just go crazy. I asked my student-section for transcripts and they were like transcripts what?? when i explained they said transcripts are given only after graduation!!
Dude.. I've been through all this and that's why I said what I said above.. My college is the same as yours.. I wasted so much time & money on all this and it wasn't worth it.. Hence, do not waste your time if you don't have your college's support.
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Dude.. I've been through all this and that's why I said what I said above.. My college is the same as yours.. I wasted so much time & money on all this and it wasn't worth it.. Hence, do not waste your time if you don't have your college's support.

well everyone has to give there time and money to this . I made 7 applications and got two electives while others got more , it all depends on your luck .

I completely disagree that you dont need to do electives if your college doesnot support you , its not a waste of time its USCE that is valued and the LORs will count ......... you maybe suggest observerships but that dont count much unless done for 4 to 5 months but still PDs say you dont have patient contact in it, officially even though you examined patients it doesnot count . so electives are IMP even though you may have tough time with your school or may even have to extend your internship by an year . Would say please dont provide false advice , it doesnot hurt you if some one does an elective . stopping them from doing an elective will not decrease competition . if you cannot help you can stay away for sure .

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I have a question. When I tell the dean about electives and NOC, wont he ask me about extension and stuff? I was going through Harvard's application, they had asked for dean's signature that he is permitting to take electives, theres no mention of NOC.

i am from west bengal and people are so ignorant here that i just go crazy. I asked my student-section for transcripts and they were like transcripts what?? when i explained they said transcripts are given only after graduation!!
Other electives need NOC eg Northwestern , cornell , yale, dont know about harvard didnt apply there .

you can explain your dean how IMP this is for your residency , the problem is if your late into your internship you need to extend it for a longer time other wise just say the internship will be extended for a few months , the main theme is to get electives done . its new for them so you need help for it . contact avashnrs on this forum even he is from calcutta and can help you . I one college allows it , others will follow . about transcripts tell them you need a copy of it of postings done before internship , no one knows how your college transcript looks , so just tell them to write all you grades and the list of postings you did in first 4 years and give it to you on your college letter head . i am sure they will agree to it , some times you need to bribe the peons too .....thats how you get your work done at the lower level ......

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Other electives need NOC eg Northwestern , cornell , yale, dont know about harvard didnt apply there .

you can explain your dean how IMP this is for your residency , the problem is if your late into your internship you need to extend it for a longer time other wise just say the internship will be extended for a few months , the main theme is to get electives done . its new for them so you need help for it . contact avashnrs on this forum even he is from calcutta and can help you . I one college allows it , others will follow . about transcripts tell them you need a copy of it of postings done before internship , no one knows how your college transcript looks , so just tell them to write all you grades and the list of postings you did in first 4 years and give it to you on your college letter head . i am sure they will agree to it , some times you need to bribe the peons too .....thats how you get your work done at the lower level ......

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well everyone has to give there time and money to this . I made 7 applications and got two electives while others got more , it all depends on your luck .

I completely disagree that you dont need to do electives if your college doesnot support you , its not a waste of time its USCE that is valued and the LORs will count ......... you maybe suggest observerships but that dont count much unless done for 4 to 5 months but still PDs say you dont have patient contact in it, officially even though you examined patients it doesnot count . so electives are IMP even though you may have tough time with your school or may even have to extend your internship by an year . Would say please dont provide false advice , it doesnot hurt you if some one does an elective . stopping them from doing an elective will not decrease competition . if you cannot help you can stay away for sure .

I don't give a damn about the competition, I have enough contacts to get me where I want to go. So I don't really care whether you do electives or he does. You aren't going to hurt my chances regardless of what you do. I've read your previous posts and I know you think everyone who posts here wants to decrease the competition. I'm definitely not one of them. So I suggest you keep your condescending tone to yourself.

I was giving advice from my experience. Yes, electives are important. I never said they weren't. But you do need your college's support for that. If the college is ignorant about all this, it gets really tough to get what you actually want from them. And applying with sub-par LORs & recommendations wouldn't get you anything. Maybe your college isn't like that but there are still plenty who are.

One should try his luck out if he has the resources but one should also be prepared in case you don't get it. Electives do not mean everything and if you end up not getting one doesn't mean you should stop on this path. Keep working and you will be rewarded.

And that was the point I was trying to make.
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pls keep in mind that electives are expensive
I for one
spent too much money for just 1 month elective. everytjing about it is expensive including CS which is 1200 dollars imagine saving up and saving up for this. I cant do more than that because my school doesnt allow it u have to do it in the summer break AND u need to be a final yr student. So in my case I only had 1 summer to do electives in which was 1 month. it sucks but its reality. also electives are too competitive. and u need ur colleges support as stated above. in my case i had no college support. so not everyone has the luxury of doing months and months of electives as students. i know that 1 month is little but hoping i can get some USCE after grad. No other choice. And since observerships dont count, i really dont know what else one can do! So at this point u really need to ask urself this question
r u willing to base ur life on USMLE knowing that imgs to get in its hard
if u r then good luck to u in ur journey
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I really appreciate senior members pouring in their experience. Thank you. It really matters to people like me who don't come from a 'USMLE experienced college'.

Apart from my college not being so friendly, today is the last day of my internship I guess I should have started early on. I will definitely go to dean one final time today but not with high hopes.

If I don't get electives after getting permission for extending internship (if that happens), writing toefl, applying and waiting for elective confirmation, it will consume some very important time for prep. Does anyone still think I should try?

Is research volunteer experience considered as USCE? And how is the present scenario of getting USCE after graduation? What all I know is that one could email many faculty members with similar interests and obtain an observership and then extend it to research volunteering. It seems that externships are rarely available. I couldn't confirm the reliability of USCE providing firms, apart from their huge costs. Is MPH an option? Please enlighten.
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Dude.. I've been through all this and that's why I said what I said above.. My college is the same as yours.. I wasted so much time & money on all this and it wasn't worth it.. Hence, do not waste your time if you don't have your college's support.
Did you finally go for electives? I have seens your posts in residency match forums and I suppose you are much senior.
If not electives then what are other options? I am following the IM residency match thread and things seem to be very difficult for people who need visa. I have a step 1 score of 243 this year and I really don't wanna miss good ivs due to week usce?
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I really appreciate senior members pouring in their experience. Thank you. It really matters to people like me who don't come from a 'USMLE experienced college'.

Apart from my college not being so friendly, today is the last day of my internship I guess I should have started early on. I will definitely go to dean one final time today but not with high hopes.

If I don't get electives after getting permission for extending internship (if that happens), writing toefl, applying and waiting for elective confirmation, it will consume some very important time for prep. Does anyone still think I should try?

Is research volunteer experience considered as USCE? And how is the present scenario of getting USCE after graduation? What all I know is that one could email many faculty members with similar interests and obtain an observership and then extend it to research volunteering. It seems that externships are rarely available. I couldn't confirm the reliability of USCE providing firms, apart from their huge costs. Is MPH an option? Please enlighten.
I checked out johns Hopkins mph course. Tuition is alone 55000usd!! for 11 months course and that very moment I gave the thought of going for mph a rest
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southern state univs cost around 20,000 to 30,000 usd (as a post stated) Still much amount. And one should be ready with gre and toefl scores to apply. Any more requirements?
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hello everyone

I'm planning to apply for electives at CC ohio for the month of march,2013. i've checked their elective link. they say the deadline for applications is september 15...........should i call the coordinator to know can i still send the application now? or should i leave this one.

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As i go through it,i find that when i was cursing my college and thinking it was my utter bad luck that i even study here,i suddenly find people from different parts of India having the same problem..coercing their college dean to give NOC....i wonder when will these people who i would better say are idiots and does the job of High post Clerks start to really think ahead in time....My principal is a nut and he actually forwarded my application for NOC to DME of my Uni who is ignorant about anything.i just wanna kill both of them..these people..when will they learn to know the importance of our career..:e ek:
But as hitman said its quite true that electives are a very important part of the game specially in IM.....and when one gets through different forums one can always see what difference it makes to an application in general.
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As i go through it,i find that when i was cursing my college and thinking it was my utter bad luck that i even study here,i suddenly find people from different parts of India having the same problem..coercing their college dean to give NOC....i wonder when will these people who i would better say are idiots and does the job of High post Clerks start to really think ahead in time....My principal is a nut and he actually forwarded my application for NOC to DME of my Uni who is ignorant about anything.i just wanna kill both of them..these people..when will they learn to know the importance of our career..:e ek:
But as hitman said its quite true that electives are a very important part of the game specially in IM.....and when one gets through different forums one can always see what difference it makes to an application in general.
nothing compares to my princi! i am from Gauhati Med, and since no senior of mine has ever done an elective, the princi was completely ignorant of what electives were. he isnt willing to give me an NOC, or sign my application forms. he wants me to procure a written NOC from the MCI stating that they do not have a problem in HIM granting ME a NOC!

moreover, they arent ready to issue a transcript before i graduate!! wth!
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nothing compares to my princi! i am from Gauhati Med, and since no senior of mine has ever done an elective, the princi was completely ignorant of what electives were. he isnt willing to give me an NOC, or sign my application forms. he wants me to procure a written NOC from the MCI stating that they do not have a problem in HIM granting ME a NOC!

moreover, they arent ready to issue a transcript before i graduate!! wth!
Some of these comments are really funny. My principal asked me if I had studied five years of medicine only to be an idiot 'clerk' when I asked him to sign the 'clerkship' application form. It was very hard to maintain a straight face after that.
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