Internship outside the the country I garduated from - USMLE Forums
USMLE Forums Logo
USMLE Forums         Your Reliable USMLE Online Community     Members     Posts
Home
USMLE Articles
USMLE News
USMLE Polls
USMLE Books
USMLE Apps
Go Back   USMLE Forums > IMG/FMG Forum > USCE & Clinical Rotations

USCE & Clinical Rotations IMG discussions of United States Clinical Experience (USCE), clinical rotations, clerkships, externships, observerships, electives, and internships.


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old 10-10-2010
USMLE Forums Addict
 
Steps History: Not yet
Posts: 169
Threads: 61
Thanked 40 Times in 26 Posts
Reputation: 50
Hospital Internship outside the the country I garduated from

Hi there

So we have this internship which is 12 month in clerkships after the 6th year we take rotations which is mentioned in our transcript.

So when I was reading threads from this forums, I noticed that residency is not allowed for whom took this internship or at least 4 (months or week I forgot ) outside the country the he studied medicine in.

So I want details about this issue

and secondly if it is not prohibited which of the 2 scenarios is best:

1-take it at the country you want to work in after you finish your boards or fellowship so that you get to know about diseases prevalence there and also start to make communications and contacts and making reputation

2- take it at US so you get as many LOR as you could to help you in applying for residency? and if so do I get paid for the internship and how much ?


thanks
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message


  #2  
Old 10-10-2010
USMLE Forums Master
 
Steps History: 1+CK+CS+3
Posts: 3,316
Threads: 170
Thanked 4,922 Times in 1,809 Posts
Reputation: 4975
Info Important Information

The details of the New York State rule that you are referring to is available here http://www.usmle-forums.com/externsh...residency.html

It's said that if you do more than 12 weeks of clerkships outside the country in which your medical school exists then you are not eligible for residency in New York unless your school listed in the exemption list or you apply for exemption.

So in your case you will be losing the opportunity to join a residency in the state of New York.

Internships are not usually paid for and you won't be having a salary unless your medical school is willing to subsidize for you stuff such as accommodation, transportation, ...etc

If you are looking for US residency then it's best to do electives in USA to get LoRs and to gain US experience but as I told you, if you do it for more than 12 weeks then you'll be losing the NY state.

One way to bypass this issue is by doing internship in your country and then come to US and do observerships, externships, or research in USA. Such experiences will not be mentioned in your transcript and so you won't be losing the New York opportunity.

By the way. The state of New York is considered one of the most IMG friendly states and you don't want to lost it.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
The above post was thanked by:
MedicalDR14 (10-10-2010), MWM1988 (10-10-2010)
  #3  
Old 10-10-2010
USMLE Forums Addict
 
Steps History: Not yet
Posts: 169
Threads: 61
Thanked 40 Times in 26 Posts
Reputation: 50
Default

great so i have to do it here

"One way to bypass this issue is by doing internship in your country and then come to US and do observerships, externships, or research in USA. Such experiences will not be mentioned in your transcript and so you won't be losing the New York opportunity."
you know this is the solution but guess what
i dont want really to waste my time
ok i know this isnt waste of time but think abt it
7 years MD+3 to 7 years Board =10 to 14 years
and i have also to waste one more year or so in electives that is impossible
i am still 5th year medical student which means i will finish my internship march 2014 and i am aiming at 2014 match so i dont waste my time
so any other ways to get LOR ?i know it sounds crazy but hey i guess you there is something


"By the way. The state of New York is considered one of the most IMG friendly states and you don't want to lost it"
that great but remember two thing
1-high living cost in NY
2-it is easier to get the specialty of what you want if you choose cities far from the famous cities such NY or CA

they are saying if you go somewhere south like Texas or so you will find what you want very easy


very thanks to you it was very helpful
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
  #4  
Old 10-10-2010
USMLE Forums Master
 
Steps History: 1+CK+CS+3
Posts: 3,316
Threads: 170
Thanked 4,922 Times in 1,809 Posts
Reputation: 4975
Arrow The illegal LoR

Quote:
Originally Posted by athman View Post
so any other ways to get LOR ?i know it sounds crazy but hey i guess you there is something
The only legal way to get a US LoR is by spending time in US hospitals or clinics.
There's "illegal" way. Which is by asking an attending US doctor to lie and say that he/she knows you very well and that you worked with him/her ....etc without actually working with him/her. I know several friends who have done and it worked!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
The above post was thanked by:
drzamzam (09-13-2013)
  #5  
Old 10-10-2010
USMLE Forums Master
 
Steps History: 1+CK+CS+3
Posts: 3,316
Threads: 170
Thanked 4,922 Times in 1,809 Posts
Reputation: 4975
Info The Demography of the NY State residencies

Quote:
Originally Posted by athman View Post
that great but remember two thing
1-high living cost in NY
2-it is easier to get the specialty of what you want if you choose cities far from the famous cities such NY or CA

they are saying if you go somewhere south like Texas or so you will find what you want very easy
Yes, correct. The farther you go from big cities and "famous" universities the easier you get into residencies.
But you need to understand the demography of the NY state residencies. Most of the residencies in the NY state are community based and are based in suburban areas or in undesired areas of NYC and that's why are not favored by American grads and therefore they are filled with IMGs.

For example, if you are applying to Internal Medicine Residency then you will be losing over 50 programs out of 200 Internal Medicine IMG friendly residency programs, so you will lose 25% of the chances.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #6  
Old 10-10-2010
USMLE Forums Addict
 
Steps History: Not yet
Posts: 169
Threads: 61
Thanked 40 Times in 26 Posts
Reputation: 50
Default

for sure i didnt meant for the illegal ways

ok take this for an example

as an IMG i would have to go US twice at least before my residency

the first time for Step 2 CS which it could be up to one month i can also do my internship for like 2 months there each month at a different hospital so that i can get 2 LOR
and the second time for the interviews which could be 2 months but this is useless as i must send the LOR before this one so we can forget abt it

so what can i do in these 2 visits
i can do anything from Externships ,Observerships, research and Clerkships

so how can i apply when i am there without the need of company like americlerksips
is it easy to do that

and abt NY yeah you are right abt that
but i did give you my reasons why i dont want to do internship here

thanks
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #7  
Old 10-31-2010
good_boy_1234's Avatar
USMLE Forums Master
 
Steps History: 1 + CS
Posts: 546
Threads: 91
Thanked 322 Times in 145 Posts
Reputation: 368
Default

Quote:
There's "illegal" way. Which is by asking an attending US doctor to lie and say that he/she knows you very well and that you worked with him/her ....etc without actually working with him/her. I know several friends who have done and it worked!
May you explain more? Were your friends in USA or out when the got these illegal lors?
What I know, that ECFMG has access to everything...so may be ECFMG checks the dates of LOR & that time they were outside US, then they would be caught?
Does ECFMG checks the dates of LORS with the dates when you were in U.S??
Please explain your friends' situation
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #8  
Old 10-31-2010
USMLE Forums Master
 
Steps History: 1+CK+CS+3
Posts: 3,316
Threads: 170
Thanked 4,922 Times in 1,809 Posts
Reputation: 4975
Arrow Clarifying

Quote:
Originally Posted by good_boy_1234 View Post
May you explain more? Were your friends in USA or out when the got these illegal lors?
What I know, that ECFMG has access to everything...so may be ECFMG checks the dates of LOR & that time they were outside US, then they would be caught?
Does ECFMG checks the dates of LORS with the dates when you were in U.S??
Please explain your friends' situation
Although my friends were in USA when they got the "falsified" LoRs, I don't think the ECFMG will ever check on that . In fact, the ECFMG doesn't care about that. It's the programs which you will apply to who will be most concerned about the authenticity of your LoR and the only means they do that is by actually contacting the author of the letter.

What I meant. Is that these friends did not actually work with the letter writer. The writer says "Mr. X" was with me from Month A to Month B and did so and so. Of course when you do such thing you'll never do it while you are away! Because at the time of application you will be submitting your CV and your complete timeline and it would be foolish to say that you were doing electives in your country and at the same time you had observerships in US. That would be a fatal mistake and you risk losing everything.

My friends have used these "falsified" LoRs to cover up the gaps in their CV. Like for example they were reading for the steps here in the US without doing any electives or rotations.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
The above post was thanked by:
good_boy_1234 (10-31-2010)
  #9  
Old 10-31-2010
good_boy_1234's Avatar
USMLE Forums Master
 
Steps History: 1 + CS
Posts: 546
Threads: 91
Thanked 322 Times in 145 Posts
Reputation: 368
Default

Thank you for reply,
But what do you mean with complete timeline with my CV?
Do programs request the dates of my rotations at my school?!!
If it is, this would be very difficult to timeline the 3 years clinical rotations with electives!!

Thank you again
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #10  
Old 10-31-2010
USMLE Forums Master
 
Steps History: 1+CK+CS+3
Posts: 3,316
Threads: 170
Thanked 4,922 Times in 1,809 Posts
Reputation: 4975
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by good_boy_1234 View Post
Thank you for reply,
But what do you mean with complete timeline with my CV?
Do programs request the dates of my rotations at my school?!!
If it is, this would be very difficult to timeline the 3 years clinical rotations with electives!!

Thank you again
Yes. they request it in details.
You can't say that you were doing elective in hospital X and at the same time doing observership at hospital Y somewhere else (specially different city) at the same time.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
The above post was thanked by:
good_boy_1234 (10-31-2010)



Reply

Tags
Clerkships-, Electives-Rotations, Internships

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the USMLE Forums forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:
Medical School
Choose "---" if you don't want to tell. AMG for US & Canadian medical schools. IMG for all other medical schools.
USMLE Steps History
What steps finished! Example: 1+CK+CS+3 = Passed Step 1, Step 2 CK, Step 2 CS, and Step 3.

Choose "---" if you don't want to tell.

Favorite USMLE Books
What USMLE books you really think are useful. Leave blank if you don't want to tell.
Location
Where you live. Leave blank if you don't want to tell.

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Internship in Delhi with Elective in US Cassiopeia USCE & Clinical Rotations 10 10-02-2013 07:43 PM
Should I finish my Internship in Nepal? bijendra IMG Visa Issues 9 01-22-2013 08:24 AM
LORs from my country! jjus IMG Residency Match Forum 11 07-29-2011 06:23 AM
Where should I put my med school Internship? prachu85_v IMG Residency Match Forum 1 08-22-2010 09:37 AM

RSS Feed
Find Us on Facebook
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2017 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

USMLE® & other trade marks belong to their respective owners, read full disclaimer
USMLE Forums created under Creative Commons 3.0 License. (2009-2014)