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I HAVE A QUESTION>>>I KNOW THAT BY THE RULE OF CA IMGs CAN NOT HAVE EXTERNSHIP PROGRAM...BUT I FOUND SOME US CERTIFIED DOCTORS THET AGREE TO GIVE ME LOR FOR EXTERNSHIP..EVEN I FOUND ON WEBSITE OF UCLA EXTERNSHIP PROGRAM FOR IMG..
>>AND ONE MORE THING I DONT KNOW NOW SHOULD I ASK THAT DICOTRS TO WRITE LOR FOR OBSERVERSHIP?COZ HERE http://www.usmle-forums.com/attachme...liwarning.jpeg SAID ITS WILL BE DANGER FRO THEM...
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In California Externships for IMG/FMG/AMG that havent Matched are only possible through approved educational programs.

Contact us for a free evaluation and for more detailed inforamtion regarding our Medical Residency Track program which offers externship rotations in CA.


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To help prepare you for the upcoming MATCH please review the information below:

Selection Criteria for Residency: Results of a
National Program Directors Survey
Marianne Green, MD, Paul Jones, MD, and John X. Thomas, Jr., PhD
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19240447

"Non-clinical graduate work, such as research or observerships, does not qualify as clinical experience."
New York Phelps FM Residency Program
http://www.nymcphelpsresidency.org/residency/guidelines

"Despite student perceptions that research in medical school is an essential ingredient for a successful application to residency, our findings indicate that research experience ranks low among selection criteria when all specialties are grouped together. The NRMP also found that research experience in medical school did not differ significantly among U.S. seniors who matched in their specialties of choice and those who did not.1 This was consistent across competitive and noncompetitive specialties. It should be noted, however, that in our survey, program directors in particularly competitive specialties (radiation oncology, plastic surgery, neurosurgery, and dermatology) ranked research experience highly (Table 3). It may be that when all other selection criteria are outstanding among applicants to a particular specialty, research experience or research publications may help discriminate candidates."

Reference: http://journals.lww.com/academ…eside...s_of_a.24.aspx
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so its mean i can have externship program after match?...but i need externship fpr to match....
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It is highly recommended for IMG/FMG/AMGs that have not matched to maintain their hands-on US clinical experience active to avoid "gaps."

At ACA we help IMG/FMG/AMGs complete hands-on externship rotations as part of our Medical Residency Track program.

Visit our website: http://advancedcolleges.us/formr

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There seems to be a misunderstand with 'externs are illegal in CA' but in fact it's not illegal to do externships in California. It is illegal to hire externs to 'practice medicine', which means no examining patients and managing patients without direct supervision from licensed doctor. However, It is completely legal to have externs assist in a doctor's clinic. This means that you can exam patients and more if the doctor has asked the patient and gave you permission.

Here is the quote from Medical Board of California Newsletter July 2010: “If graduates are unable to gain admission into an accredited training program, they cannot gain clinical experience by working in a physician’s private office or clinic performing any duties other than those routinely fulfilled by a medical assistant. They cannot perform as a trainee (in a residency program) nor a physician assistant. International graduates may be employed as medical assistants in a physician’s office if they do not represent themselves as medical doctors nor exceed the duties specified in Business and Professions Code section 2069-2071 and Title 16, California Code of Regulations, sections 1366-1366.4.”

Just like any medical student, you don't need to have ECFGM or PTAL to do an externship. You do, however, need a valid medical degree.

I just finished a 4 week paid externship at Dr. Roger Washington's Clinic in Santa Clara. I have found it very useful. He's a Stanford graduate and has lots of experience in teaching. If anyone is interested I happy to share my experience.

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