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USCE & Clinical Rotations IMG discussions of United States Clinical Experience (USCE), clinical rotations, clerkships, externships, observerships, electives, and internships.


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Listening Americlerkships or FMG Portal or Residency cube

Any one know , which is better?
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i guess there aren't many reviews out there for residency cube as they are fairly new. i'm actually using their services. i just finished two rotations, one in Atlanta and NJ. they were really good...i learned a lot with the doctors i rotated with and made some good contacts! so far honestly, i'm very pleased with them. i think they are a small company but in a way i think it's good. they spend a lot of time with me...once i think even for 2 hrs answering all my questions and teaching me about the process, etc. they are really nice and helpful. hope this helps you with your decision! best of luck
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I don't really have an experience to share but I'm just here to caution you to not take anybody who joined the forum 10 hours ago seriously. So you might want to ignore Mongo's advice up there. Its happened before and it continues to happen that company reps try to build their companies' reputation by making fake profiles and pretending to be students.

By the way, if you're a med student, maybe you shouldn't be using these paid services at all. You should try applying to hospitals directly. USCE is meant to give you exposure, strong LORs and help you make contacts. You get none of this with paid services. Authors of LORs you get from such companies have a strong conflict of interest (if they don't write a good LOR, the company stops sending students to the doctor). No matter how much they say that the doctor is also a visiting attending at a university hospital, they are not at all well-known in their field. Their names are not as widely known so their LORs don't carry the same weight as for example one you get from a university hospital. Also - you don't get to make contacts with other attendings on such rotations. You also don't get to be in a teaching place so your learning experience about the medical aspect and the US healthcare system is quite minimal. I would rather go for an observership at a teaching place, for example cornell, harvard, hopkins or mayo, than do an overpriced elective with a paid company in a small private setting. And please note that these companies sometimes state that they will give you university exposure as well. But to be honest, you'll go to a university hospital once a week where you won't get to see any patients or talk to any faculty.

Good luck. Let me know if you need help in finding university USCE. I'm also applying these days and I can help guide you.
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as much as we all appreciate you pointing out the fake people out there, you are not always right. anyways, i joined awhile ago but never really needed help before CK...so i have not posted anything but now I am struggling with my CK prep and so have sought help on the forum, thus explaining why i'm so late to actually participating on this forum. i don't know if you can see my other posts so far, but you should check it out. if you can't view them, i'll be happy to send you the links or whatever.

unfortunately, it is not easy finding rotations on your own. it's a huge process and needs to go through both that hospital and my medical school. it takes months to set up, and there are so many requirements that each side has to approve of in order for it to work-not to mention so much paperwork! do you think we'd rather spend money than get the same services for free? i think not. we are all students-hence no money, am i right?

i am applying to FM and i only have one FM core from my school...therefore one LOR. i am currently doing my med school rotations...and could not get any FM sub-I's set up in time for sept 15th since i still need to complete one core and several electives. so in the time between my school's rotations, i used a company to get a few FM rotations to acquire LOR's. i hope that makes sense.

**OH and i'd like to point out that my join date was in 2010, lol. its even right there on my profile!

anyways, i was just sharing my experience since someone asked. nobody has to listen to me!

StepTaker-best of luck to you. Hope you find a company or person that can help you through all this!
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My apologies - Mongo.

It makes sense now why you chose to go for a paid company. Maybe if you start applying again now, you could set up an elective at a university for next year coz that's how long it takes to set one up. The process is long and hard but I guess the major issue is that we start applying late. For example, i applied to Harvard 2 months before the start of my elective break. We need a good 8-9 months for setting up an elective.

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as much as we all appreciate you pointing out the fake people out there, you are not always right. anyways, i joined awhile ago but never really needed help before CK...so i have not posted anything but now I am struggling with my CK prep and so have sought help on the forum, thus explaining why i'm so late to actually participating on this forum. i don't know if you can see my other posts so far, but you should check it out. if you can't view them, i'll be happy to send you the links or whatever.

unfortunately, it is not easy finding rotations on your own. it's a huge process and needs to go through both that hospital and my medical school. it takes months to set up, and there are so many requirements that each side has to approve of in order for it to work-not to mention so much paperwork! do you think we'd rather spend money than get the same services for free? i think not. we are all students-hence no money, am i right?

i am applying to FM and i only have one FM core from my school...therefore one LOR. i am currently doing my med school rotations...and could not get any FM sub-I's set up in time for sept 15th since i still need to complete one core and several electives. so in the time between my school's rotations, i used a company to get a few FM rotations to acquire LOR's. i hope that makes sense.

**OH and i'd like to point out that my join date was in 2010, lol. its even right there on my profile!

anyways, i was just sharing my experience since someone asked. nobody has to listen to me!

StepTaker-best of luck to you. Hope you find a company or person that can help you through all this!
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Eesfee-thanks for the apology! No worries. It happens.

Thanks for the advice! That is true, I could do that, however the reason that I did it this way was because I need the LOR's ASAP to upload in time for applications on Sept 15th of this year...otherwise yes, you're right, I could start setting up rotations for next year! I actually already have my remaining med school rotations already set up and scheduled by my school, and I am totally done with med school on Jan 24th, 2014! (SO HAPPY!) I go to a Caribbean Med School, so all of our 3rd and 4th year rotations are in the States, which is nice.

Anyways, that's my story! So yeah, that's why I was saying Residency Cube really helped me out with that, you know? Their prices were much cheaper than others which is a huge plus...as you and I stated before...that no cost would be the ultimate However, in some situations, you just need to spend the money, I guess. I look at it as an investment! Aside from that, the people who work there have been really helpful...with advice in general. It's hard to find the facts...there's sooo much, it all gets overwhelming, and unfortunately my school doesn't do the greatest job helping us with that!

So, what stage are you at in Med School? Are you preparing for CK as well?
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Hello all doctors and future doctors,

There are a few things worth clarifying about Dr. eesfee's post above

1) You mention that applicants should try to apply to hospitals directly for USCE.

-this is absolutely fine, but generally speaking, it is very difficult, and time consuming to secure a position. For many IMGs, the difference between matching, and not matching can be based on having US clinical experience. Getting that experience in an organized, fast, and predictable manner can mean the difference between having an on time, complete application on Sept. 15, or a late one - which hurts chances of getting interviews significantly.

2) You state "USCE is meant to give you exposure, strong LORs and help you make contacts. You get none of this with paid services."

-this is simply not true. There are many companies offering externships that put you directly inside of university affiliated and community hospitals (not clinics), and allow you to work right alongside the existing residents, medical students and teaching attendings who work at those hospitals on a regular basis.

3) You state "No matter how much they say that the doctor is also a visiting attending at a university hospital, they are not at all well-known in their field. Their names are not as widely known so their LORs don't carry the same weight as for example one you get from a university hospital."

-once again, this is not true in most cases. Many excellent companies place students directly inside university, university affiliates, and community hospitals, so the writers of the letters of recommendation will be the teaching attendings in those hospitals. The letters of recommendation generally come on the official hospital letterhead. The teaching attendings that students work with in many cases are the full time attendings at that hospital, and they are usually involved in teaching the residents and medical students who rotate at that hospital on a regular basis.

4) You state "You also don't get to be in a teaching place so your learning experience about the medical aspect and the US healthcare system is quite minimal. I would rather go for an observership at a teaching place, for example Cornell, Harvard, Hopkins or mayo, than do an overpriced elective with a paid company in a small private setting."

- as mentioned above, some companies are able to put students directly inside university, university affiliated and community hospitals, which will most certainly be teaching hospitals. Observerships are generally regarded as an inferior form of clinical experience because they are uninsured and lack any hands on component. One of the reasons residency program directors would be interested in seeing USCE on an IMGs application is so that they have direct evidence that the foreign student has had clinical, hands on experience in the USA. As far as doing rotations in the top universities of this country like Cornell, Harvard, Hopkins, Mayo etc. all applicants are encouraged to TRY to get rotations in such hospitals but unfortunately it will not be possible for the majority of students to arrange. Many externship companies are able to put students in other very well known, large hospitals (not private clinics) and the students can get 100% inpatient rotations, where they will spend all day, every day inside these hospitals.

During such rotations, students will most definitely be working directly with regular staff/faculty/residents at those hospitals and will be able to make contacts, and network as much as they are capable of.

Some of the excellent companies that are able to provide such externships are companies like Americlerkships, Chicago Clerkships, and many others. ResidencyCube is one such company as well.

I hope this helps clear up some misconceptions that exist. Itís wonderful that the users in the forum try to protect each other, but itís also wise to remember that the companies providing service to medical students/grads are also on your side, and their goal is to help you match in an efficient, timely manner.

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