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Iím a medical student from Georgia. I am planning to do clinical electives through an agency.

I have heard that the LOR that I would receive through them is worth next to nothing compared to the same from a university when it comes to matching.

Can someone please shed some light on this situation?
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What you have heard is correct. The LORs they would provide would be next to nothing in comparison to university LORs.

If you have not already graduated, then don't apply through such "agencies". Apply directly to universities instead.

If you have already graduated, then you are not eligible to do clinical electives. You can only attend observership or externship.
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What you have heard is correct. The LORs they would provide would be next to nothing in comparison to university LORs.

If you have not already graduated, then don't apply through such "agencies". Apply directly to universities instead.

If you have already graduated, then you are not eligible to do clinical electives. You can only attend observership or externship.

Thanks a lot for the reply Amit! Really appreciate that.

I'm still a student doing my prefinal year. I can apply in my final year to a university but the problem is that I cannot miss my classes while doing clerkship. There is no internship in the final year, only classes.

Can you please tell me some other idea to compromise this loss?
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Which country are you from? If you can't miss classes in final year then only option for you is observership or externship after you graduate.
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Which country are you from? If you can't miss classes in final year then only option for you is observership or externship after you graduate.
I'm an Indian doing my med school in Georgia.

Doing observership/externship sounds good, but they are inferior to clerkship. Aren't they?

What about research?
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Lol I am embarrassed to admit that this is the first time I came to know that Georgia is a country too.

Yes you can engage in research too after graduation. Good luck.
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I'm an Indian doing my med school in Georgia.

Doing observership/externship sounds good, but they are inferior to clerkship. Aren't they?

What about research?
Hi SkullMD,

In our professional experience in helping students such as yourself match, we've found that clerkship and externship experience is valued over observership experience because they classify as hands-on clinical exp. The terms clerkship and externship essentially depict a similar experience but they differentiate between students (clerkship/elective) and graduates (externship). Research is also very valuable bc it can lead to another LOR (if the research has a clinical component, as our hybrid programs do) and publication credit.

I'd be happy to help you with any other questions and to discuss our various externship and research opportunities
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I am new to this forum. I passed my usmle step 1 and ck and planning to sit for cs. I am an IMG and wanted to know if we can apply for hands on externship in usa and is this in clinics or established hospitals.
Are the LORS which the doctors offer has anyone found them useful? As an IMG the amount for the clerkships is very expensive.
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I am new to this forum. I passed my usmle step 1 and ck and planning to sit for cs. I am an IMG and wanted to know if we can apply for hands on externship in usa and is this in clinics or established hospitals.
Are the LORS which the doctors offer has anyone found them useful? As an IMG the amount for the clerkships is very expensive.
@mcemmd Yes, hands-on clinical externships are open to IMGs. We offer them in outpatient clinic, inpatient hospital, and inpatient/outpatient mix programs. Our LORs appear on hospital letterhead (or clinic in some cases) but never mention our agency. A very high percentage of our students eventually gain interviews on the strength of the experience we coordinate for them.
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@mcemmd Yes, hands-on clinical externships are open to IMGs. We offer them in outpatient clinic, inpatient hospital, and inpatient/outpatient mix programs. Our LORs appear on hospital letterhead (or clinic in some cases) but never mention our agency. A very high percentage of our students eventually gain interviews on the strength of the experience we coordinate for them.
Dear Official Representative of MedClerkships, please allow me the liberty of terming your above statement as total rubbish. First of all, the very fact that you charge exorbitant amount of fees from helpless students can be called indirect exploitation, sheer capitalizing on the need of the market. Your agency charges a huge sum of money in exchange of a "promise" of providing hands-on clinical experience in hospitals, and you people end up providing experience in out-patient clinics. There are numerous instances of students being kept in the dark till the end, and termination of supportive communication and after-sales service on your part. It just proves the fact that you are here only for the sole purpose of running a successful profit-making business.

Are you serious when you say that "A VERY HIGH percentage of students EVENTUALLY gain interviews on the STRENGTH of the experience we coordinate". Really???? Doing externships in outpatient clinics and getting LORs on letterhead of clinics (in SOME cases?) will become the eventual difference?

You should under-promise and over-deliver rather than vice-versa. And stop talking in vague terms such as "some cases get LORs on clinic letterhead". There should be some accountability. Please take a moment to think about poor students/graduates who come to you and are disappointed with spending money on your service.
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@Amit7 Not sure why you feel the need to lump us in with other services and attack, but please point to where I said anything untruthfully -- you just spoke just as vaguely, if not more so, as you're accusing. Our customer service and affinity to help students is unmatched.

Yes, we offer programs of all types, including clinic-based programs which are always discussed up front with our students.

Our staff of coordinators and physician consultants aim to provide the best experience possible within our network of offerings. No student has been denied a LOR to date, as long as they have complied with the program. I point you to our REAL WORLD examples of satisfied students at www.medclerkships.com/testimonials

take care and good luck Amit
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Hello,

Iím a medical student from Georgia. I am planning to do clinical electives through an agency.

I have heard that the LOR that I would receive through them is worth next to nothing compared to the same from a university when it comes to matching.

Can someone please shed some light on this situation?
There are some proven exceptions to this. If your LOR is excellent and it is written on hospital stationary that is not university stationary it is still just as good and sometimes better. HOW??
The letter should be on hospital letterhead. The letter should be signed by a physician using all his/her formal titles. Many physicians have 1, 2 or more University affiliations and are well-known, However they cannot always take you to these places. Just make sure the doc puts all affiliations and all titles on the letter. Believe me, it will be recognized and rewarded if it is a great letter.
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