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Hospital Trying to find an Externships in USA?

Hello everyone,

I was wondering if anyone had an Idea about how to to go about trying to get an Externship in the states? Do we contact hospitals, teaching hospitals or universities.

Clerkships are done before graduating from a foreign medical college, however finding Externship seems to be difficult for me.

If anyone could advise me on the Approach to getting an Externship, other than the companies, it would be greatly appreciated.

**And can I do an Externship with any practicing physician or surgeon in the USA?

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Finding an externship by contacting Universities and Clinics is an extremely difficult task, specially when you don't have connections.

That's why Externships Companies have been created, they know that such a thing is difficult to find.

I tried to do that myself, I contacted dozens of Universities and Clinics and nobody even bothered to reply me.

Finally, I got an externship in private clinic and that through a connection.

So the key is "connections" otherwise nobody will take you.

Private clinics can provide you externships if they are not in California or Texas (these states ban externships).
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so u mean under any condition no IMG can get hands-on clinical experience in CA?
even could find connection?
and also what's the definition of private clinic?
is private doctor office assumed as private clinic?
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Hello everyone,

I was wondering if anyone had an Idea about how to to go about trying to get an Externship in the states? Do we contact hospitals, teaching hospitals or universities.

Clerkships are done before graduating from a foreign medical college, however finding Externship seems to be difficult for me.

If anyone could advise me on the Approach to getting an Externship, other than the companies, it would be greatly appreciated.

**And can I do an Externship with any practicing physician or surgeon in the USA?

Thanks
Kartopia,

Finding hands-on clinical experiences with universities, hospitals and teaching hospitals on your own may be a very difficult feat, even seemingly impossible. Universities are focused on training their own students, and teaching hospitals are usually affiliated with the medical schools in their area, so they are generally unwilling to work with individuals outside of their network. It may be easier for you to find observerships, but be careful to document them as hands-on clinical experience
Additionally, the most important aspect of obtaining TRUE hands-on clinical experiences is that they need to be covered by medical liability insurance, and please be very aware of what your roles and responsibilities may be during your experiences. As a foreign doctor, you do not want to put yourself in a predicament where you may potentially be accused of practicing medicine without a license, or were not properly insured while having hands-on patient contact Considering all these major variables, it may not be such a bad idea to work with a specialist.

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so u mean under any condition no IMG can get hands-on clinical experience in CA?
even could find connection?
and also what's the definition of private clinic?
is private doctor office assumed as private clinic?
dr_lizard,

The Medical Board of California prohibits IMGs from gaining hands-on clinical experiences in the state of California. Alternatively, it may be in your best interests to take a look at the AMA – Medical Residency Track, which is a very unique program that will allow you to gain relevant clinical experiences in California! Private message me if you would like to more information regarding this program.

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so u mean under any condition no IMG can get hands-on clinical experience in CA?
even could find connection?
Sabio has posted the official announcement distributed by the medical board of California, here's the link
http://www.usmle-forums.com/externsh...ence-imgs.html
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and also what's the definition of private clinic?
is private doctor office assumed as private clinic?
Any medical center/clinic/hospital ...etc that is not public is considered private.
Public means it belongs to the federal or state government.
Also, generally speaking, when we say private clinic in USA we mean small clinics.
For example Cleveland Clinic is practically a "private clinic" however, we don't mean such huge institutions when we say private clinics, we usually mean small clinics. Such clinics are typically found in suburban areas rather than large metropolitan cities.
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Any medical center/clinic/hospital ...etc that is not public is considered private.
Public means it belongs to the federal or state government.
Also, generally speaking, when we say private clinic in USA we mean small clinics.
For example Cleveland Clinic is practically a "private clinic" however, we don't mean such huge institutions when we say private clinics, we usually mean small clinics. Such clinics are typically found in suburban areas rather than large metropolitan cities.
tnx for ur reply
so observership is OK in CA?
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tnx for ur reply
so observership is OK in CA?
Yes. It's OK. But attending are generally so afraid (because of that announcement) so that now they are even reluctant to take you as observer.
If they do take you, they will say in the LoR something like "I swear to God he did not touch any patient"
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Sabio has posted the official announcement distributed by the medical board of California, here's the link
http://www.usmle-forums.com/externsh...ence-imgs.html
Laithbv,

In regards to the article which you posted, by knowing the limitations of what the state will allow for an IMG in California, our college has been able to use Advanced Medical Assisting-Medical Residency Track as the platform to allow our students to gain the necessary residency relevant hands-on-clinical experience. As you may know by now, two of our students accepted residency positions here in the state of California. These two students credit much of their success to having the ability to conduct their hands-on-clinical externships here in California. Here is one of their testimonies below:


"Hello everyone:

I want to share my experience that I had with Advanced Colleges of America with you. This year I was accepted in an Internal Medicine Residency Program in California and to be honest with you, Advanced Colleges of America had a great role in my acceptance. Not only did it provide me with the clinical externships that I was looking for, but it also provided me with attending doctors affiliated with hospitals, who were amazing and helpful in strengthening and lightening my goals. Continue reading by clicking here.



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In regards to the article which you posted, by knowing the limitations of what the state will allow for an IMG in California, our college has been able to use Advanced Medical Assisting-Medical Residency Track as the platform to allow our students to gain the necessary residency relevant hands-on-clinical experience.


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What do you mean by residency relevant hands-on-clinical experience ? It's clearly written in the article posted above that physicians in California won't allow international medical graduates to perform task more than what a medical assistant can do.
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What do you mean by residency relevant hands-on-clinical experience ? It's clearly written in the article posted above that physicians in California won't allow international medical graduates to perform task more than what a medical assistant can do.
Residency relevant hands-on clinical experiences would be better defined as experiences that would enable an individual to acquire the practical skills and knowledge necessary to be successful in a U.S. residency position.

The Advance Medical Assisting Medical Residency Track is unlike any traditional medical assisting program, and is designed specifically for those who are in pursuit of a U.S. Medical Residency position. The clinical externships provided through the program are insured by Medical Liability Insurance, and are 100% supervised by U.S. Licensed Practicing Physicians. Additionally, the clinical externships are a mixture of both 60% clinical (non-invasive patient histories and physicals), and 40% administrative (front office appointments, patient triage and billing/coding + back office lab, specimen collection and other tasks as assigned by supervising physician).Thus, allowing you to have a sub-internship type of experience that will contribute significantly to the overall competitiveness of your residency application, while maintaining the limitations of the state.
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