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Hey
So i had my exam yesterday, February 16th, 2012

My prep in short (in order)

1- Kaplan 16 week live lectures
2- Kaplan qbank --- 65%
3- DIT videos
4- uworld qbank 50%
5- NBME 12---- score 217 (expected) (taken on december 25)
6- uworld qbank remaining..... avg score on uworld --- 68% (all questions in random timed mode of 46)
7- 2nd round of DIT videos and uworld (this time avg about 87%)

8- First Aid -- at least 6-7 times over during the course of prep
9- NBMEs offline
nbme 5--- 30 questions wrong --- 3 weeks before exam
nbme 11-- 18 questions wrong----- 2 weeks before exam
nbme 7--- 23 questions wrong---- one week before exam


the actual exam
what i did----
did 2 blocks.... 10 minute break

did block 3-4... 10 minutes break

did block 5--- 10 minute break
block 6-- 10 minute break
block 7

how it was
tough!!!!
too much molecular stuff... NO direct questions.. didn't have any sequential questions either.. but they do hv them.

question length.-----NOT as long.. barely any questions over 5-6 lines... most about 3-4 lines..

murmurs---- 2 questions
CT/XRAy----- about 6-10 questions... but most u cud arrive at answer without seeing it

micro images
--- plenty.. but required only in 2-3 questions

WTF questions
----- MORE THAN ENOUGH!


my advice to anyone out there preparing

FIRST AID IS RUBBISH!!!

even the question stem will provide you more information than first aid does.!

if ur doing kaplan.. yup u might be prepared for like 80% of the questions but there will still be 20% u dont know at all.. or will hv to remember from ur years in med school.

overall.. i guess its better investing ur time in kaplan notes.. n then going over something like MEDESSENTIALS>. which is a concise version of all the kaplan books.. sorted out system wise.. (like FA>. but like maybe 3 times the material .. n covers all the stuff in the kaplan books)

DO THE NBMES--- SPECIALLY THE LATEST ONES... (7-11-12)there were pictures directly from there.. or the same concepts... for atleast 10 questions

right now.. im not expecting a good score... (for me good score is anything over 230) ...
once its out.. will decide on whether to put up my entire detailed experience or not

feel free to ask any questions.. will help to the best of my abilities
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my exam experience was very very similar to yours. may be coz i took it on the same date as yours except i had long questions many questions 8 lines. even 12-15 lines. but there were few 2 line questions.

i also feel first aid is rubbish .

man after taking this test, i feel so scared. i m in major depression right now. seriously !

how do u feel. do u feel we will be scored more liberally and we will get almost same scores as our nbmes ??

thanks, will really appreciate your opinion
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my exam experience was very very similar to yours.may be coz i toook it on the same date as yours except i had long questions many questions 8 lines .even 12-15 lines.but there were few 2 line questions.

i also feel first aid is rubbish .

man after taking this test ,i feel so scared .i m in major depression right now .seriously !

how do u feel .do u feel we will be scored more liberally and we will get almost same scores as our nbmes ??

thanks,will really appreciate your opinion
frankly speaking the test was TRAUMATIC for me...
n i am pretty depressed

(iv given it once before n failed)

and i have no idea about scoring!

but my point is there is NOTHING we cud hv done to prepare for this level of difficulty
i mean its not like i didnt know.... i KNEW EVERY QUESTION ON THE TEST>.. the disease.. the concept.. its just that my knowledge stopped ONE STEP SHORT of the depth they expected.
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Wow! Thats harsh!

But NBMEs are usually very predictive.
You'll be fine man!

Dont think about it now,
time to relax
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Thanks for putting up your experience!!!
1. You said, each question stem gives you more info than FA, do you mean dx is not a problem because they give away the dx in the stem?
2. Did you read Goljan note of any kinds?
3. How is Immunology tested? Do we have to memorize each and every Receptor, CD markers, and chromosome abnormalities for genetic disease?
4. How are Biochem Qs? DNA structure, enzyme abnormalities,...? Are they specifically and heavily tested?


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MBBS 2010 and Step Enhancer:
Congratulations on getting done with exam..I know after the exam we usually have mixed feeling and I am sure you both will do fine remember if after doing so much u feel the exam is tough then it will be for all other ppl out there..Just keep faith in God and its now time to take a seat back and relax you did your work...
Can you tell me hw was the anatomy questions in exam..And did you find that the stuff they were asking was missing in FA like u never came across them before??Because I do think its difficult to do FA alone bt if we have good basics from kaplan it looks to me that FA is a good way to revise the high yield topics bt the way u are telling it seems like FA is no more a high yield so thats why I want u ppl to tell a little bit more on why did u find that FA was not enough??
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Thanks for putting up your experience!!!
1.You said, each question stem gives you more info than FA, do you mean dx is not a problem because they give away the dx in the stem?
2.Did you read Goljan note of any kinds?
3.How is Immunology tested? Do we have to memorize each and every Receptor, CD markers, and chromosome abnormalities for genetic disease?
4. How are Biochem Qs? DNA structure, enzyme abnormalities,...? Are they specifically and heavily tested?


And thanks again.
most questions have the diagnosis made pretty clear..
some will give it away and then ask u more details


yup i did goljan audio n also goljans text book

immunology was alot of all the newer drugs the antibodies etc...


biochem questions were there alot.. i mean even the pathology was made into molecular biology n biochem n asked
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MBBS 2010 and Step Enhancer:
Congratulations on getting done with exam..I know after the exam we usually have mixed feeling and I am sure you both will do fine remember if after doing so much u feel the exam is tough then it will be for all other ppl out there..Just keep faith in God and its now time to take a seat back and relax you did your work...
Can you tell me hw was the anatomy questions in exam..And did you find that the stuff they were asking was missing in FA like u never came across them before??Because I do think its difficult to do FA alone bt if we have good basics from kaplan it looks to me that FA is a good way to revise the high yield topics bt the way u are telling it seems like FA is no more a high yield so thats why I want u ppl to tell a little bit more on why did u find that FA was not enough??
well i found FA not enough...

i'll explain why...
when u do kaplan u go over the finer details.. of everything
then u go to first aid..
yup u can relate to the broader concept

but the finer DETAILS... n EXACT POINTS.. that the exam asks you.. are not given in FA....
the exam doesnt ask you what you know
and knowing the broader concept is not good enoug cos on the xam more than one answer is really close.. n if u dont know the finer details.. u cannot pick the final answer.

so why do FA.. when revising kaplan again.. u will be revising the concept.. AND THE FINER POINTS


i mean dont get me wrong.. yup FA is great for revision n all.. but for actually answering the question in ur exam.. it better to revise kaplan.. cos u wud be going over whats in FA.. PLUS the finer details... n thats wht the exam is all about..
not what you know.. but what they want to ask you.

like i said
my knowledge felll just one step short of what they wanted to ask.

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Now thats really scary.i always had a premonition that sooner or later they will be starting to phase out FA...but never in my dreams i cud guess they wud do it so fast!!mine is on april 2nd and well dont really have time to go back to kaplan all the way..but dont wory..ur nbme scores are the correct predictor and u will do great........well were the qs UWORLD like or even more difficult?? and u said that u didi 50% uworld first time..and then again score 68% below..i mean u did 2nd pass of UWORLD or ur ^8% was ur first time uworld score..gud luckjust relax now..
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Now thats really scary.i always had a premonition that sooner or later they will be starting to phase out FA...but never in my dreams i cud guess they wud do it so fast!!mine is on april 2nd and well dont really have time to go back to kaplan all the way..but dont wory..ur nbme scores are the correct predictor and u will do great........well were the qs UWORLD like or even more difficult?? and u said that u didi 50% uworld first time..and then again score 68% below..i mean u did 2nd pass of UWORLD or ur ^8% was ur first time uworld score..gud luckjust relax now..
what i meant was that i did 50% of questions on uworld qbank

and then took the nbme
and then did the remaining 50%



total score on first pass of uworld.... 68%

total score on 2nd pass of uworld----- 87%
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hi,congratulations!you're done w/ the first one...i hope you get a better than a good score...i want to ask when is better to take a self assessment?i have 2 months left till my exam day...i read twice kaplan,(too long ago-november)twice goljan,once FA and now i started to do uw a second time...and what should i do after i finish uw?if i bye kaplan qbank in the last month,will it help or be worth spending time on it?any advice will be accepted
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hi,congratulations!you're done w/ the first one...i hope you get a better than a good score...i want to ask when is better to take a self assessment?i have 2 months left till my exam day...i read twice kaplan,(too long ago-november)twice goljan,once FA and now i started to do uw a second time...and what should i do after i finish uw?if i bye kaplan qbank in the last month,will it help or be worth spending time on it?any advice will be accepted
i wud suggest kaplan Qbank as the first qbank you do.. more of a learning.. concept based tool

closer to the exam u shud do more of uworld

but since ur already done with almost everything i did.. i have no idea
maybe u can try doing the nbmes offline
n online...


do the first nbme online.. n see what areas are weak.. since u have enough time to work on them
so i guess that shud be the first step right now!
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also forgot to mention

kaplan diagnostic test before prep ---- 50%
kaplan diagnostic test in the middle of prep -------67%


free 150 questions from usmle website-------- 94% correct (between nbme 11 and 7 in the last week of prep)
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Congratz man!

Few questions.

1. If you were to re-do all this over, what would you do different?

2. Are you an IMG? If yes, did you write Step 2 already?

3. If you had a choice of reading FA vs. Kaplan MedEssentials, which woudl you choose?

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Few questions.

1. If you were to re-do all this over, what would you do different?
i have no idea.. cos according to me i did all i cud

2. Are you an IMG? If yes, did you write Step 2 already?
yup im an img.. non carribean... not written step 2 yet

3. If you had a choice of reading FA vs. Kaplan MedEssentials, which woudl you choose?
]medessentials i wud recommend .. but can only tell u something for sure after i get my result
Thanks

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Congrats!!!
I am sure you did fine on the exam. Let us know how you did when you get ur score...
After you have mentioned it was TOUGH! I am now scared about the exam.. I still didn't decide on the exam date but all I know is I am going to take it between April-June.
Few questions....
You think its a good idea to review FA if most of the points that were missed out on FA were added from Kaplan and uworld?
Also, How were the anatomy questions (gross, embryo, histo).. Other than the CT/MRI?
How was Micro? And Pharm?
Were there alot of Biostats calculations?

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Congrats!!!

Also, How were the anatomy questions (gross, embryo, histo).. Other than the CT/MRI?
How was Micro? And Pharm?
Were there alot of Biostats calculations?

Thanks in Advance!
biostats--- was very simple stuff....

but yeah anat was detailed... but frankly speaking... you cant really go thru the entire of anat again for 3-4 questions.... id accepted this before i went into the exam... but was still able to make a few of the anat questions. but I DID GO OVER>.. the major muscle groups of the HIP .. from medessentials.. cos i noticed alot of questions on them in uworld.. kaplan qbank.. n also nbmes... also the arteries with every nerve n minor stuff like that which u know.. is doable.. in a short time...

thanks for the encouragement!
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biostats--- was very simple stuff....

but yeah anat was detailed... but frankly speaking... you cant really go thru the entire of anat again for 3-4 questions.... id accepted this before i went into the exam... but was still able to make a few of the anat questions. but I DID GO OVER>.. the major muscle groups of the HIP .. from medessentials.. cos i noticed alot of questions on them in uworld.. kaplan qbank.. n also nbmes... also the arteries with every nerve n minor stuff like that which u know.. is doable.. in a short time...

thanks for the encouragement!
all the best
Thank you...
But what abt embryo? (I really hate embryo!!)
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can u tell me wat the exam was more like???kaplan or u world...i find kaplan difficult now..
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Congrats in advance!!

I read step 1 experiences before where the person studied like you did but still found the exam really hard. Those people got a 255++ and I'm pretty sure you will too.

Nbmes are very predictive. I'm betting whatever measly life-savings I have right now that you did great.

I think highly of you! I also know from your posts here that you have a good grasp of what the usmle is all about.

I don't have any question right now... (Everything I can think of has been asked. )

I just want to say that I'm looking forward to hearing the good news from you 3 weeks from now!

And also, that I'm off to buy medessentials...
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Thank you...
But what abt embryo? (I really hate embryo!!)
well see ... that way you cannot predict what is going to be on ur exam.. cos urs could be very different from mine... but yes i did have questions from embryo... n since i dont remember them exactly im sure they were straight forward!

and i found a thing that helps me in general... like for eg.. i HATED the bone tumors n reproductive/breast tumors

so everytime i sat down to do it i would do it
1- in the beginning of my study session... like the first thing i wud do
2-- before opening my book.. i would say to myself atleast 10 times out loud....
"I LOVE DOING THESE TUMORS" "I LOVE DOING THESE TUMORS"
every time i would say in my mind.... I HATE THIS or i I HATE THAT>.. id correct myself....
funny i know... but it helped me keep up my enthusiasm while studying that particular topic...

NEVER SAY YOU HATE ANYTHING>... cos if you do.. u'll avoid it even more!! when u have to do it anyway.. do it with love!

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Congrats in advance!!

I read step 1 experiences before where the person studied like you did but still found the exam really hard. Those people got a 255++ and I'm pretty sure you will too.

Nbmes are very predictive. I'm betting whatever measly life-savings I have right now that you did great.

I think highly of you! I also know from your posts here that you have a good grasp of what the usmle is all about.

I don't have any question right now... (Everything I can think of has been asked. )

I just want to say that I'm looking forward to hearing the good news from you 3 weeks from now!

And also, that I'm off to buy medessentials...
thank you for all your kind words... means alot!!

just wanted to give you a warning

ONLY GO TO MEDESSENTIALS IF YOU ARE EARLY IN UR PREP... LIKE DOING KAPLAN NOTES.. OR JUST AFTER KAPLAN NOTES.....

PLEASE DONOT SWITCH BOOKS AT THE LAST MINUTE


stick to what you have been doing.. if u are nearing the end of ur prep



FOR ALL FA USERS--- (since iv been getting this question alot)
if you are into ur end of prep now is not the time to switch books....
review whatever is given in first aid...

go thru the extra FA notes u have added from uworld/kaplan qbank.....


however when ur doing FA.. maybe u can open up a kaplan book or any other detailed book u have studied.. by the side.. n read thru the points missing in FA...
maybe this could make up for the lapse in info!



just a suggestion!!
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can u tell me wat the exam was more like???kaplan or u world...i find kaplan difficult now..

the questions are definitely more like UWORLD

however.. in questions where i was stuck between 2-3 choices... it was the knowledge n basic thinking methods from kaplan qbank that helped me answer.

however... if you were to do just one qbank.. i would recommend UWORLD

if you are doing BOTH.... do KAPLAN FIRST and UWORLD CLOSER TO EXAM!
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alot of people have been asking me also by what exactly i meant by
GREATER DETAIL/ FINER POINTS not given in FA

so im just putting up an example of a simple question

(not from my exam.. but in general)


say for eg you had a question about any disease....

FA --will explain the disease... and give u the gene mutated... (sometimes the chromosome mutated) and the info will end there.

on the exam...-- the question stem..
will give you the clinical features..
and then add the last line XYZ gene is mutated in mice examined for this disease.... (so will give u the explanation and the gene mutated... hence most info given in FA is covered already)

the actual question will be --how does XYZ gene work? or what is the change taking place after mutation?
( so the question is taking you ONE STEP AHEAD of the info u have gone over again and again in FA... and also the answer choices will not be generally explained... they expect answers at a molecular level.. wanting to know PRECISELY what happens... also usually more than one answer choice is very close)

- transcription factor that affects... blah blah .. in the cytosol
- transcription factor that affects..... blah blah blah in the nucleus n cytosol
- mitosis in phase of taking the chromatids to the opposite poles is stopped
-- meiosis in blah blah phase ( you know actually describing whats happening in things rather than just naming them)

hope this clears some confusion
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well see ... that way you cannot predict what is going to be on ur exam.. cos urs could be very different from mine... but yes i did have questions from embryo... n since i dont remember them exactly im sure they were straight forward!

and i found a thing that helps me in general... like for eg.. i HATED the bone tumors n reproductive/breast tumors

so everytime i sat down to do it i would do it
1- in the beginning of my study session... like the first thing i wud do
2-- before opening my book.. i would say to myself atleast 10 times out loud....
"I LOVE DOING THESE TUMORS" "I LOVE DOING THESE TUMORS"
every time i would say in my mind.... I HATE THIS or i I HATE THAT>.. id correct myself....
funny i know... but it helped me keep up my enthusiasm while studying that particular topic...

NEVER SAY YOU HATE ANYTHING>... cos if you do.. u'll avoid it even more!! when u have to do it anyway.. do it with love!

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well see ... that way you cannot predict what is going to be on ur exam.. cos urs could be very different from mine... but yes i did have questions from embryo... n since i dont remember them exactly im sure they were straight forward!

and i found a thing that helps me in general... like for eg.. i HATED the bone tumors n reproductive/breast tumors

so everytime i sat down to do it i would do it
1- in the beginning of my study session... like the first thing i wud do
2-- before opening my book.. i would say to myself atleast 10 times out loud....
"I LOVE DOING THESE TUMORS" "I LOVE DOING THESE TUMORS"
every time i would say in my mind.... I HATE THIS or i I HATE THAT>.. id correct myself....
funny i know... but it helped me keep up my enthusiasm while studying that particular topic...

NEVER SAY YOU HATE ANYTHING>... cos if you do.. u'll avoid it even more!! when u have to do it anyway.. do it with love!

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thanks alot that is really amazing advice but what about histology , as I see FA is not enough and I have no time to go back to kaplan
and about anatomy , in general in uworld they did not ask alot about muscles and arteries so does they ask alot about it in exam , especially muscles???
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I have been reviewing fa for a really long time and everytime i do a full read my kaplan score improves
Ihope your wrong when you say it is rubbish on some forums they say its 80% and some say its not
I am going on faith that it is 80% but not by itself alone the (fa sucks alone) it drives me nuts alone b/c its very disorganized and half info here and there but I have to have my notes in it to make it whole and when i read it whole I have improvement in memory and score.
either way
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What about neurology? Was it from FA /uw? How frequent?
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What about neurology? Was it from FA /uw? How frequent?
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there was alot of neuro
about 70% u cud answer from FA>.. for other 30 % u needed kaplan or some other detailed book... or even DIT videos along with FA .
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wow weee
I have been reviewing fa for a really long time and everytime i do a full read my kaplan score improves
Ihope your wrong when you say it is rubbish on some forums they say its 80% and some say its not
I am going on faith that it is 80% but not by itself alone the (fa sucks alone) it drives me nuts alone b/c its very disorganized and half info here and there but I have to have my notes in it to make it whole and when i read it whole I have improvement in memory and score.
either way
best of luck in your results
well thats what im saying too..
FA by itself is rubbish

and even if u do add stuff to FA... we put in key points n concepts.. the finer details are often overlooked... it is impossible to add the entire of the notes to FA>..

so thats all i was stating

rest about me being wrong!! well i hope im wrong too...and my result is good..

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U will definitely score well...just relax..its post exam stress..i have heard the two seniors i knew who got 250+ suffering from this too..so just relax..

And btw do u think supplementing mediessentials with FA will be good..physiology graphs,neuroanatomy,anatomy,immunology and some ethics-they are so much exhaustive in mediessentials..had more info in mediessentials than FA..do u think supplementing these with FA + uworld willl be of help..i am asking u this because i have my exam in 6 weeks and possibly wont have time to go through KLN again now..Thanks in advance
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What I did was after Kaplan notes I went thru med essentials. N it was awesome
My original plan was to go thru FA and medessentials both. So that I wudnt hv to go thru the kaplan notes again b4 the exam. N I really liked the info in the book. Specially for biochem! It made it sooooo easy!!
But then alot of people adviced me against it. So I landed up neglecting med essentials.
Last week before the exam opened it again
But by then .... Cos I hadn't revised it in a long time n was doing only FA... I found it difficult to do it all over again.
So yes! Doing both medessentials n FA for me wud be the ideal game plan according to me.

Specially for things like biochem cvs Cns.. Specially brainstem lesions (which aren't covered in FA at all with the anatomy n all....
The whole separate chapter on molecular stuff...
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I mean u don't need to do something like behavioral n biostats from there u know.

But the other major systems are given pretty well.
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i totally agree with mbbs2010.i liked the statement "FA is rubbish" i gave my exam on dec 15th..got nothing but molecular bio questions.couldn agree more with u dude.i was totally depressed and the exam went very very bad..i got 224.not a great score..but it was expected.and time wasnt enough even for a single block
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i totally agree with mbbs2010.i liked the statement "FA is rubbish" i gave my exam on dec 15th..got nothing but molecular bio questions.couldn agree more with u dude.i was totally depressed and the exam went very very bad..i got 224.not a great score..but it was expected.and time wasnt enough even for a single block
Hey! Know a 224 isn't a 250 n we tend to beat ourselves up about it but u still will get into something like IM n all.
N look forward now!!
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yeah a 250 is a 250 and a 224 is a 224..u may have had a tough time in those 7 hours..but who will listen to me now?nobody cares abt the reasons..results matter.i will be on top of the world if i get into IM with 224. have to try my luck with CK. and usmle is not just abt hard work..its more abt luck and timing
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Well another thing which is worrying me is the Microbiology...was it heavily tested and well can one answer them from FA's knowledge??yeah true that mediessential is great in several areas..but microbiology its too exhaustive...do u recommend mediessentials microbi or fa's microbio??
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Well another thing which is worrying me is the Microbiology...was it heavily tested and well can one answer them from FA's knowledge??yeah true that mediessential is great in several areas..but microbiology its too exhaustive...do u recommend mediessentials microbi or fa's microbio??
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Micro was enough in FA... Except for the bacteriology part where some bacteria were given too concisely..And also the major viruses Like TB.. nocardia... Actinomyces etc..
But generally I think it's exhaustive.
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Could you please help on how you studied in the last 5 weeks of your exam prep? also did you add in your kaplan notes to your first aid?
1- week all of uworld questions... But this time system wise n reading over stuff from FA that I didn't know in questions

2nd week Read thru marked topics or stuff u got wrong and again thru FA.
3rd week DId DIT videos in one week.
Take nbme if u want

4th week--- LAST WEEK.. go thru FA one last time. Also went thru MEDESSENTIALS. along with FA
Read thru DIt notes
Went thru images n CT N MRIS.

Last 2 days... Only relaxed. Minor flipping pages. Nothing major.
Cudnt go into exam tired
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So i had my exam yesterday, February 16th, 2012

My prep in short (in order)

1- Kaplan 16 week live lectures
2- Kaplan qbank --- 65%
3- DIT videos
4- uworld qbank 50%
5- NBME 12---- score 217 (expected) (taken on december 25)
6- uworld qbank remaining..... avg score on uworld --- 68% (all questions in random timed mode of 46)
7- 2nd round of DIT videos and uworld (this time avg about 87%)

8- First Aid -- at least 6-7 times over during the course of prep
9- NBMEs offline
nbme 5--- 30 questions wrong --- 3 weeks before exam
nbme 11-- 18 questions wrong----- 2 weeks before exam
nbme 7--- 23 questions wrong---- one week before exam


the actual exam
what i did----
did 2 blocks.... 10 minute break

did block 3-4... 10 minutes break

did block 5--- 10 minute break
block 6-- 10 minute break
block 7

how it was
tough!!!!
too much molecular stuff... NO direct questions.. didn't have any sequential questions either.. but they do hv them.

question length.-----NOT as long.. barely any questions over 5-6 lines... most about 3-4 lines..

murmurs---- 2 questions
CT/XRAy----- about 6-10 questions... but most u cud arrive at answer without seeing it

micro images--- plenty.. but required only in 2-3 questions

WTF questions ----- MORE THAN ENOUGH!


my advice to anyone out there preparing

FIRST AID IS RUBBISH!!!

even the question stem will provide you more information than first aid does.!

if ur doing kaplan.. yup u might be prepared for like 80% of the questions but there will still be 20% u dont know at all.. or will hv to remember from ur years in med school.

overall.. i guess its better investing ur time in kaplan notes.. n then going over something like MEDESSENTIALS>. which is a concise version of all the kaplan books.. sorted out system wise.. (like FA>. but like maybe 3 times the material .. n covers all the stuff in the kaplan books)

DO THE NBMES--- SPECIALLY THE LATEST ONES... (7-11-12)there were pictures directly from there.. or the same concepts... for atleast 10 questions

right now.. im not expecting a good score... (for me good score is anything over 230) ...
once its out.. will decide on whether to put up my entire detailed experience or not

feel free to ask any questions.. will help to the best of my abilities
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1- week all of uworld questions... But this time system wise n reading over stuff from FA that I didn't know in questions

2nd week Read thru marked topics or stuff u got wrong and again thru FA.
3rd week DId DIT videos in one week.
Take nbme if u want

4th week--- LAST WEEK.. go thru FA one last time. Also went thru MEDESSENTIALS. along with FA
Read thru DIt notes
Went thru images n CT N MRIS.

Last 2 days... Only relaxed. Minor flipping pages. Nothing major.
Cudnt go into exam tired
thank u very much for sharing this, i wanted to ask i divided the first aid with my annotations in 5 parts so abt 80 pgs a day to memorize mon thru fri and then on saturday take a nbme each week to do this, do u think it is a good working plan?? also plan to do questions each day and increase the number of questions each week
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thank u very much for sharing this, i wanted to ask i divided the first aid with my annotations in 5 parts so abt 80 pgs a day to memorize mon thru fri and then on saturday take a nbme each week to do this, do u think it is a good working plan?? also plan to do questions each day and increase the number of questions each week
See everyone studies according to their own plans n earlier prep...
I guess whatever works for u is good
U are the bet judge of ur level of knowledge n what u need to revise
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I agree with you completely mbbs2010 about FA lacking in concepts.

Though I haven't given my exam yet, but realized there is not enough given about genetic/molecular biology in that book.

I have switched to basic pathology robbins for some imp chapters.

I had no idea about ras, p53 and so many other genes functions etc until now.

When you say exam ask on step beyond what u already know, as they know what you already know, but want to know what you might have overlooked, what key concepts are you pointing at? Where can I learn them?

If I do some of these imp topics in detail, will it help? Was these topics amiss in ur preparation?
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this is pretty depressing but glad this was brought up to my attention. If I already completed kaplan once(but forgot it all,kinda sorta not really), and I am annotating my first aid with uworld questions, and do dit a few weeks before my exam, and only review path, will the be sufficient to overcome this "asking for details on exam not covered by first aid alone"?
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this is pretty depressing but glad this was brought up to my attention. If I already completed kaplan once(but forgot it all,kinda sorta not really), and I am annotating my first aid with uworld questions, and do dit a few weeks before my exam, and only review path, will the be sufficient to overcome this "asking for details on exam not covered by first aid alone"?
please not that I will continuously study path every day, no matter what my study plans are for the day. I won't do this with other subjects, for i will only do uworld and first aid, and dit for other subjects. The only subject im willing to make an extra effort for is path and I am hoping that by reviewing path constantly, itll help me overcome the details that the first aid is lacking
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Is the reasoning required for answering the step 1 questions...even harder than Usmleworld questions?

How many times did u go through Kaplan and Uworld?
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I agree with you completely mbbs2010 about FA lacking in concepts.

Though I haven't given my exam yet, but realized there is not enough given about genetic/molecular biology in that book.

I have switched to basic pathology robbins for some imp chapters.

I had no idea about ras, p53 and so many other genes functions etc until now.

When you say exam ask on step beyond what u already know, as they know what you already know, but want to know what you might have overlooked, what key concepts are you pointing at? Where can I learn them?

If I do some of these imp topics in detail, will it help? Was these topics amiss in ur preparation?
what i lacked
well see.. i can comment on what i lacked in only once my result is out..
i did kaplan in detail.. and FA and MEdessentials(though i didnt go over this one multiple times)

ROBBINS
as far as ROBBINS is concerned.. yeah thats a thumbs up...
on my first read of kaplan/goljan if i found i didnt know how something worked i did open up robbins (grandfather version) and read thru it... ONCE... ONLY TO UNDERSTAND

for me i thought robbins was tooo extensive to do over n over again...


what key concepts are you pointing at?
I have cited an example to try to explain what i meant by greater detail above..
there isnt really just a few concepts in detail that i can point out.. n say .. ok these will be tested.. They have a VAST bank of questions which are randomly allotted... so something that was on my test will not necessarily be on urs or someone elses.

and besides.. its not some abstract set of concepts.. its just the basic everyday theory we do.. but just with a deeper understanding of it..

like for eg stuff like DM, HTN etc... this is something any med student has a large amount of info on ... but even for topics like these.. if u can study them in depth.. to something at the cellular n molecular level.. that wud be the IN DEPTH studying im talking about..


have FAITH
but dont beat urself up about it.
cos it is not practical to study that way for everything..
just have confidence in urself n in ur prep... let the nbmes reflect where u are.. and go into the test.

ur knowledge will improve exponentially once u start studying... beyond a time it will reach a plateau..

at this stage.. u have a choice..
1- either trying to learn EVERYTHING.. n losing out on other key points of ur prep n tiring urself out...
(im not saying u cant do better. but consider the time factor.
even if u put in another year of studying u will just pump up ur score by 5-7 points.. there are more chances of u forgetting stuff by then than pumping up ur score")


2- accepting that u will not know everything on the test. n going into it (obv once ur nbme is fine)


TRUST URSELF.. N WHATEVER U ARE PREPARING WITH.
IF IT IS GOOD. THE NBMES WILL REFLECT IT.
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this is pretty depressing but glad this was brought up to my attention. If I already completed kaplan once(but forgot it all,kinda sorta not really), and I am annotating my first aid with uworld questions, and do dit a few weeks before my exam, and only review path, will the be sufficient to overcome this "asking for details on exam not covered by first aid alone"?
everyone does KAPLAN FA n UWORLD.. but yet everyones score result varies.
its not what material u do.. but what u do with the material u have. ur understanding .. n more over.. YOUR APPLICATION OF WHAT U KNOW.


i think kaplan is a very good source of stuff...
and uworld questions do really prep u up for the real exam.
FA is a good source of revision.. but i think what u revise with FA is basically just the TIP OF THE ICEBERG.

the rest.. iv explained in a post above.
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Is the reasoning required for answering the step 1 questions...even harder than Usmleworld questions?

How many times did u go through Kaplan and Uworld?

i did UWORLD twice
1st time 68% (random timed mode of blocks of 46 questions)
2nd time 87% (timed mode of blocks of 46.. subject wise n random.. mixed. more of a revision tool)

Kaplan

since i took the live 16 weeks lecture.. i cannot really comment on how many times i went over the kaplan notes..
cos during discussion with friends/small groups.. we went back n forth over alot of stuff. over n over again

post the course i went over my notes
1 time..while revising stuff
2nd time while adding notes or checking up while doing medessentials...
3rd time.. some where in the mid of prep.

reasoning questions.
in most question.. u come down to 2 answer choices...
its the finer points of ur understanding and reasoning that help u choose the answer u pick.

some questions are like uworld.. some a little simpler.. some more difficult.

frankly.. i can only speak in general..
cannot single out n say.. ok N number of questions were like Uworld.. n N number were not...
cos the test is so exhausting... n it has so many questions.. that by the end of the 8 hours.. its kinda hard to remember what exact questions u had in the blocks before.

hope ur getting what im saying

but everything said and done YES.. I WOULD SAY THAT DOING UWORLD IS A FAIR GAME FOR THE EXAM.. cos it helps u orient and train ur mind towards the kind of reasoning you would require.
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well said mbbs2010 , i also took the test recently and couldn't agree more with mbbs2010 .he just told you all the most accurate assessment of the exam.
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well said mbbs2010 , i also took the test recently and couldn't agree more with mbbs2010 .he just told you all the most accurate assessment of the exam.
all the best for the result.. n its "she"
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all the best for the result.. n its "she"
-Nice! We were fooled by your spirit , you know...
-You rarely mentioned Goljan RR, does that book not help you a lot to build up the concepts or to integrate the concepts?
-I think you will get a score around the NMBE scores or even more, the test must be equivalently difficult for everyone, and sure you will be fine. You didn't consciously know everything but your subconscious mind helped you pick the right answer. That 's why we need Kaplan 's LNs.
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-Nice! We were fooled by your spirit , you know...
-You rarely mentioned Goljan RR, does that book not help you a lot to build up the concepts or to integrate the concepts?
-I think you will get a score around the NMBE scores or even more, the test must be equivalently difficult for everyone, and sure you will be fine. You didn't consciously know everything but your subconscious mind helped you pick the right answer. That 's why we need Kaplan 's LNs.
God bless you!
thanks alot for the good vibes! really appreciate it

goljan is a great book... i did give it about 2 reads..
but cos i had taken the live lectures.. barone added alot of stuff to the patho book of kaplan.. n it blended in with the stuff from the other books


but yeah.. if only watching the videos.. id recommend reading Goljan for sure...
giving it one good read... writing down or highlighting only stuff that u dont know....

n then in the future reads....
going over the stuff that u didnt know
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that saves alot of time.. n also makes sure ur not being counter productive.

but still think someone who has stuck to only goljan rather than the kaplan path book wud guide u better..
so u shud get a second opinion
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Question Kaplan Lecture notes vs MedEssencials

Hi, awsome thread! You do great explaining some of the problems with FA. I am in the beginning of my study for the Step 1, just got my books!

So far I have gotten FA, KME, some BRS books, got the Goljan, Clinical Micro made rid. simple and one neuro review book.

My strength: I have just started this week, so I still have time to try do this right the first time (fingers xed!).

My weaknesses - yeah more than one:
- I have dyslexia so reading goes slow with me, hence in Med.School (atm) I do way better in practical settings than the memorizing the letters which does not want to cooperate with me!

Here are som subjects in which I have questions I hope you could answer:
- In general aspects which does not have much clinical relevance, again, I am not good in memorizing odd details (which is why I must admit I am a bit terrified!)

BIOCHEM and MOLECULAR stuff
Question: Do you think I would survive without getting Kaplan Lecture notes? Will Kaplan Med.Essencials be enough for supplementing into FA?

Microbiology:
Question: If I understood u correctly FA and KME should be enough on this subject?

I will probably end up having more questions, but in general I am asking do you think I would make it with using KME alone without the Kaplan Lecture notes?
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BIOCHEM and MOLECULAR stuff
Question: Do you think I would survive without getting Kaplan Lecture notes? Will Kaplan Med.Essencials be enough for supplementing into FA?

Kaplan Medessentials.. is a book like FA.that u do AFTER u are done with ur basic review of a book with alot of explanations.
YES it has alot more detail than FA n alot of points.. but they are all in point form.. and for biochem there is not much explained.. just the high yield stuff is given... given very well... but yeah.. no explanations

I dunno.. what works for you.. bt for me specially for biochem.. i really needed to understand what was going on.. n more importantly WHY it was happpening.. so as to remember the cycles LONG TERM.

Please dont gamble n try to save time cos u are uncomfortable with a subject. DO A DETAILED REVIEW BOOK.. be it kaplan or HY biochem or RR or any book.. otherwise u will just land up learning the things over n over again n forgetting some portion or the other

HOWEVER IF U ARE STILL IN MED SCHOOL N FRESH WITH THE INFO. THEN THE MATTERS MAY BE DIFFERENT




Microbiology:
Question: If I understood u correctly FA and KME should be enough on this subject?

YES it is enough.. for the theory n the drugs too. however do look at pictures of the bugs.. n also do the charts at the back of the kaplan micro book if u can. makes life alot easier



I will probably end up having more questions, but in general I am asking do you think I would make it with using KME alone without the Kaplan Lecture notes?
no problem. happy to help..

about using ME alone.. remember its like ur asking me if using FA alone is enough...
ME is a revision book that concisely has all the points from kaplan notes... its a substitution for FA not for the kaplan notes or any other review notes u are going thru
if u havent reviewd the notes its gonna be hard to go thru Medessentials n take up alot of ur time.
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Hmmm... I like the purple color of the font. Can you use that always?

It says smart but feminine. It suits you, mbbs2010... Now, that we all know you're a "she". LOL!
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Hey
So i had my exam yesterday, February 16th, 2012

My prep in short (in order)

1- Kaplan 16 week live lectures
2- Kaplan qbank --- 65%
3- DIT videos
4- uworld qbank 50%
5- NBME 12---- score 217 (expected) (taken on december 25)
6- uworld qbank remaining..... avg score on uworld --- 68% (all questions in random timed mode of 46)
7- 2nd round of DIT videos and uworld (this time avg about 87%)

8- First Aid -- at least 6-7 times over during the course of prep
9- NBMEs offline
nbme 5--- 30 questions wrong --- 3 weeks before exam
nbme 11-- 18 questions wrong----- 2 weeks before exam
nbme 7--- 23 questions wrong---- one week before exam


the actual exam
what i did----
did 2 blocks.... 10 minute break

did block 3-4... 10 minutes break

did block 5--- 10 minute break
block 6-- 10 minute break
block 7

how it was
tough!!!!
too much molecular stuff... NO direct questions.. didn't have any sequential questions either.. but they do hv them.

question length.-----NOT as long.. barely any questions over 5-6 lines... most about 3-4 lines..

murmurs---- 2 questions
CT/XRAy----- about 6-10 questions... but most u cud arrive at answer without seeing it

micro images
--- plenty.. but required only in 2-3 questions

WTF questions
----- MORE THAN ENOUGH!


my advice to anyone out there preparing

FIRST AID IS RUBBISH!!!

even the question stem will provide you more information than first aid does.!

if ur doing kaplan.. yup u might be prepared for like 80% of the questions but there will still be 20% u dont know at all.. or will hv to remember from ur years in med school.

overall.. i guess its better investing ur time in kaplan notes.. n then going over something like MEDESSENTIALS>. which is a concise version of all the kaplan books.. sorted out system wise.. (like FA>. but like maybe 3 times the material .. n covers all the stuff in the kaplan books)

DO THE NBMES--- SPECIALLY THE LATEST ONES... (7-11-12)there were pictures directly from there.. or the same concepts... for atleast 10 questions

right now.. im not expecting a good score... (for me good score is anything over 230) ...
once its out.. will decide on whether to put up my entire detailed experience or not

feel free to ask any questions.. will help to the best of my abilities
is it safe to say if we annotated FA with like a course like kaplan or falcon, then it is better? because we would know the background knowledge on first aid rather than memorizing it?
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is it safe to say if we annotated FA with like a course like kaplan or falcon, then it is better? because we would know the background knowledge on first aid rather than memorizing it?
the BEST indicator to find out if something is working or not.. is to do
3 RANDOM TIMED blocks on any qbank.. n then take the avg n see where u stand.

look at the explanations...
1-was it cos you overlooked something?
2- info was not given?


doing this ACTIVELY by urself is the best method to assess ur study plan..
cos it will vary for everyone!
no one person can tell u what is enough n what is not.
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