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I just started studying for the step a month ago and i'm basically going through Kaplan videos and Kaplan Lecture Notes and then annotating my First Aid while i do it. I figured i'd understand the concepts now and then memorize just first aid my last month.
I started doing the same thing for patho with Goljan audio and Rapid Review but there is SO much missing information in FA when it comes to patho and i definitely wont have room to write down all the important points.

Is Goljan an overkill for patho or do you guys recommend going through it at least twice before my exam?? Is BRS patho a good alternative? help!!
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Hi, prat22!

My dear friend in this forum, XpaezX, debated between Goljan and BRS patho a few days ago in this thread: For Step 1 takers... march-april-may 2012 We were trying to sway another friend, suka, on to our different corners of the ring. Anyway, I'll post here what XpaezX has said for Goljan and BRS patho. He has a very helpful feedback.

XpaezX:

Do BRS pathology only, goljan is overrated and believe me.. its extremely hard to read because its way loaded with info...

BRS path has everything you have to and mUST know, and also it has questions at the end of each chapter, which is a nice feature.

If you do have goljan or have it downloaded the only thing i would recommend is:
Read from chapter 1 to chapter 8.
Look at all the images.
read the charts of the respiratory, cardiovascular and neuro sections only!

Dont do kaplan.. poorly written, misses information and has some mistakes, better spend your time reading from reliable and awesome sources.
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I did say xpaezx and I were debating, right? So, here's my take and my compromise.

My reply to XpaezX and suka:

I LOVE Goljan patho... How come lately everyone else doesn't? Without the audio, it took me around 2 weeks. I think the audio will make reading it easier. The lectures are good. He is amazing at integrating concepts which is what we need for step 1.

Goljan Pros:
- Peace of Mind (bec everyone else read it )
- Audio (you can follow his audio based on the book)
- There's also Goljan slides (it's like an atlas) that you can follow along with the audio. The pictures are a big plus for the exam.

Goljan Cons:
- Frustrating if you don't like it
- Time-consuming if you don't like it

My suggestion:
If you can't stand it that much, read a book that you like. Whichever it is. XpaezX is right. The qbanks are overloaded with pathology questions, you'll get sick of patho. If people think Goljan is detailed, there are tons of info in qbanks that are not even in Goljan! Usmleworld is like a separate patho book. Just make sure you do extensive notes when doing the qbanks.


About your question... After doing usmleworld, Goljan patho would be like a breeze to you. You don't have to worry about the 2nd read.
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thanks a lot for your reply!

i'm unsure about the RR by Goljan, but i really like his audio lectures because he integrates everything. But i agree, going through BRS to review seems like a lot less daunting than reading Goljan all over again! other people also told me to just read the blue margins
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why dont you do pathoma for pathology .its really good.i found it better than goljan
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Argh!

Scoreboard:
Xpaez - 2 (suka and pratt22)
d_wiqed - 0

Me and Goljan are losing! I think there is a "selection bias" going on here.

Good luck with Patho!
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why dont you do pathoma for pathology .its really good.i found it better than goljan
@pratt22:

Khushi.chahal recommends pathoma (in previous threads) too.
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My suggestion:
If you can't stand it that much, read a book that you like. Whichever it is. XpaezX is right. The qbanks are overloaded with pathology questions, you'll get sick of patho. If people think Goljan is detailed, there are tons of info in qbanks that are not even in Goljan! Usmleworld is like a separate patho book. Just make sure you do extensive notes when doing the qbanks.


About your question... After doing usmleworld, Goljan patho would be like a breeze to you. You don't have to worry about the 2nd read.

that makes me feel so much better lol, i think i may just stick to going through goljan once right now because it goes along with the audio lectures. passive listening is something i cant do haha. and i really need to save room in my FA. i write wayyy too much!!

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yea i've heard about pathoma too, its about half the size of goljan lol. you dont think its missing any information?
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go with pathoma book and videossssss
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that makes me feel so much better lol, i think i may just stick to going through goljan once right now because it goes along with the audio lectures. passive listening is something i cant do haha. and i really need to save room in my FA. i write wayyy too much!!

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yea i've heard about pathoma too, its about half the size of goljan lol. you dont think its missing any information?

For patho, I suggest you buy a separate binder or notebook.

Once you come to uworld, there's so much info. I have stopped transferring uworld patho notes into Goljan! It's not just a space issue. Like I said, qbanks are loaded with info on that subject. It felt like I was writing my own patho book while doing notes from uworld.

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well everybody have their choices and me too have my own..all the books mentioned here are masterclass on their own right..i studied kaplan pathology and supplemented them with DR>CECIL CONE's lectures..well i found it quite handy though..did my FA and now scoring 65-70% in pathology(well my cumulative score till now in uworld is 63%.thanks to microbilogy where i am real weak)...but the fact is stick to what u r doing..complete the read first and as my friend d.wiqed says UWORLD has loads of info...it will take enough time to master them and well as far as i am concerned i cannot remember one xtra line after FA and uworld notes and explanation...just go through ur first read exhaustively and fast and then go to qbank..it is the real deal in patho i think
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Is goljan necessary for Step 1? Probably not. But should you go through it atleast once? Yes. Why? Because Goljan will make your concepts better. It will give you an upper edge when you do medicine. It is loaded with clinical findings.

At the very least, I would say listen to Goljan audio once.
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Is goljan necessary for Step 1? Probably not. But should you go through it atleast once? Yes. Why? Because Goljan will make your concepts better. It will give you an upper edge when you do medicine. It is loaded with clinical findings.

At the very least, I would say listen to Goljan audio once.
what u said makes perfect sense, but some of the information is for step 2 also, so its kinda hard to cram it all haha.
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that makes me feel so much better lol, i think i may just stick to going through goljan once right now because it goes along with the audio lectures. passive listening is something i cant do haha. and i really need to save room in my FA. i write wayyy too much!!

@step_enhancer
yea i've heard about pathoma too, its about half the size of goljan lol. you dont think its missing any information?
pathoma covers high yield and its mostly pathology ang pathophysiology. whereas goljan has biochem ,pharma and path . i found goljan outdates and old after i did pathoma.pathoma its excellent .after pathoma you will be able to extract much more from uworld .pathoma touches depths of pathology ,which is good especially for imgs.
pathoma is more than enough for pathology and pathophys

if u want more info check in sdn forum .amg love pathoma now .they have almost stopped using goljan .
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I am an average student....with weak basic sciences knowledge and than God sent Goljan......

and it cleared so many of my concepts......and sort of has become the backbone of my usmle prep..........

please do not miss out on Goljan..........u may regret reading BrS....but never....Goljan....and again listen to his audios first.......


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We asked our Pathology teacher the same Q ( I think most stdents will when it comes to how much Pathology is enough ).
He said: If you just want to pass, BRS or Kaplan Patho is enough ( with FA ), but if you want to score high, you have to read Goljan or Robbins.
I think if you do Goljan pretty well, you can get >80% in UW pathology, but its just my own experience.
I don't know about Pathoma at all, but ppl got crazily in love with it, even I found Dr Sattar 's voice sexy. Lol.
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Argh!

Scoreboard:
Xpaez - 2 (suka and pratt22)
d_wiqed - 0

Me and Goljan are losing! I think there is a "selection bias" going on here.

Good luck with Patho!
LOL!!
I had to laugh!!
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thanks for all your feedback guys! but since i have a couple more months before my exam, i think i'll try to go through Goljan. i mean if patho's gonna be about 70% of my test, then why not go through such a comprehensive source right? pathoma sounds like a great program too, i just dont know if can switch at this point. going through goljan once isn't the problem. its reviewing it again at the end but hopefully after uworld i wont have to!

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Argh!

Scoreboard:
Xpaez - 2 (suka and pratt22)
d_wiqed - 0

Me and Goljan are losing! I think there is a "selection bias" going on here.

Good luck with Patho!
no worries d_wiqed i'm with you!! haha
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@pratt22:

Khushi.chahal recommends pathoma (in previous threads) too.
i started goljan and it was sooooo dry
pathoma is the way to go!
pathology went from my 2nd weakest subject to one of my stronger subjects after 1 run through pathoma
it's amazing the difference between UNDERSTANDING pathology (pathoma) and MEMORIZING pathology (goljan).

i say this being an average student and pathology being one of my weaknesses. for a student like me, pathoma is the way to go.
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haha that sounds pretty promising. how long did it take you to get through all the videos + reading the books?
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my vote is for goljan patho its an amazing book
i just love it
dont know how much will it help me
still learnt a lot many concepts from it
while doing q banks i annoted it and marked all questions that came
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haha that sounds pretty promising. how long did it take you to get through all the videos + reading the books?
it took me 8 days to go through it all
i did 2-3 systems a day, on 1.4x speed (i've since reviewed a couple of subjects on 1.7x speed, but first run i think 1.4x speed is as fast as you can go)
the time flew by because it was such an enjoyable experience.
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Of course its not an overkill!
Its a great recourse
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If you have time, do Goljan in my opinion.. Don't take any shortcuts when it comes to Step 1 if you don't need to..

I did Kaplan + FA for everything, except Path.. I looked at the Kaplan path book and laughed, its missing way too many things..

I'm doing UWORLD as well of course
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ok this may seem like a really odd question lol but is it weird if i do just the pathoma videos and then skim through goljan RR right after? i know the book is huge but the thing i like about goljan is all the pictures and the charts. or should i just stick w/ the fundamentals of pathology??
i'm taking my test in about 4-5 months btw. so i was thinking in that last month go through just the goljan audio as a final review? too much, too little, all over the place?? help!!!
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Goljan is good, very good but as in everything, if u want something good that can last in you, its time consumer.
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ok this may seem like a really odd question lol but is it weird if i do just the pathoma videos and then skim through goljan RR right after? i know the book is huge but the thing i like about goljan is all the pictures and the charts. or should i just stick w/ the fundamentals of pathology??
i'm taking my test in about 4-5 months btw. so i was thinking in that last month go through just the goljan audio as a final review? too much, too little, all over the place?? help!!!
I have a friend who got a 240+ last Dec 2011. He used the pathoma bundle and goljan audios (withOUT the RR book). He told me it's an overkill. Pathoma and Goljan basically teach the same way.

My advice: Stick to one.

It's better to master one book/line (pathoma or goljan) over reading two books/lines. If you've started with Goljan, I suggest you stick with it.

They are both good. But remember, it's not in the material. It's in the person.
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What is Pathoma anyways lol? Never ever heard of it before
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What is Pathoma anyways lol? Never ever heard of it before
www.pathoma.com

its supposedly really good for patho. i just subscribed to the videos, so hopefully it works out for me!!
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Dr.Sattar Made pathology enjoyable. He is the best
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